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"well, its hard to understand because the nisan is so different to our calendar...... i still dont understand!" ---who said this? no name? this is VERY IGNORANT, and should not be here!
these unacademic contributions and thoughts are not necessary my Kemalist friend, wikipedia is no place for Kemalist propaganda and mythology and dillusions.
there is absolutey no such thing as "turkish calendar" maybe there is a "turkic calendar" but I am unaware with that part of the world and wuld have to do further research on central asia and monglolia to realize such a trukic calendar.
but as for Turkish, this word "Turkish" was invented in the 20th century, too late to have a calendar.
Nissan is a Semitic month, of Canaanites, Hebrews, Assyrians, Arabs etc... When incorporating the gregorian calendar and replacing the canaantie caledar which all Levantine Arabs, Hebrews, Aramaic people used to use (except for peninsular arabs who even before islam in the pagan jahaliyah times used the calendar which is today the so-called "islamic calendar") but this so-called hebrew calendar is simply the canaanite calendar used by all the semites on the levant, whether they are arab speaking, hebrew speaking (extinct long ago,as most jews in the are were not from the tribes of israel and were either aramaic or arabic speakers), or aramaic speaking peoples, whether, they were christian, jewish or muslim, this is the semitic, levantine calendar.
Thus if Turks happend to use Nissan as the fourth month, this is only because they borrowed the term from Levant ine Arabic. Thank you and please educate yourself before you use this term "Turkish" in academia. Elsb3antisophist ( talk) 03:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Nisan is a babylonian name, the Torah clearly states that the year starts with Aviv, that is the first month. The Hebrew definite article is used in each reference to Aviv. The name Nisan only occurs in the book of Nehemiah and Ester both books written about Babylonian capitivity. It seems that one would not want to change the Torah name of Aviv to the pagan name of Nisan. No harm to refer to Nisan, but the Torah clearly uses Aviv as the first month and should be the standard not Nisan. See Ex 13:4; 23:15; 34:18 and Deu 16:1. To discuss Nisan and leave this out is injustice to knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.174.92.169 ( talk) 20:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Can 27 Nisan fall on a Saturday?-- Pharos 19:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Article says "usually falls in March–April". Does Nisan ever fall outside of those two months?-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 12:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
It always begins in March or April. It usually begins in March and ends in April. It sometimes begins in April and ends in May. Nisan begins in March or April and ends in April or May. It typically starts at the new moon nearest to the vernal equinox, with the start of Passover (and the middle of Nisan) typically falling at the first full moon after the vernal equinox. 47.139.42.134 ( talk) 01:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
According to this video, a Michael Tsarion presentation, (2:00 onward), the Nissan brand results from Nisan which means "The first month of the year" and also is a symbol for the sun. Any proof for that? Maybe we should spend a sentence if so or even if not. Thanks,-- Bapho talk 21:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
May want to include a note that, according to the Gospels, Jesus died and, according to Christians, was resurrected during Nisan (see, for example, John 19:31 for dating). Jordanp ( talk) 16:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Nisanψ (נִיסָן, Standard Hebrew Nisan, Tiberian Hebrew Nîsān: from Akkadian nisānu, from Sumerian nisag "First fruits") is the first month of the sacred year and the seventh month (eighth, in leap year) of the civil year on the Hebrew calendar.
What there us no leap year That is pagan .first fruit is the 3rd month which is May in the bible you have to follow the Enoch calendar to follow the biblical feast days the feast day and laws was given to the Hebrews so you can follow what the genties tell you the laws was not give to them Ladyofprosper ( talk) 18:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
ψψφΦ Article incorrectly states "Jesus triumphantly entered Jerusalem" on 10 Nisan and was crucified on 14 Nisan 14. This is mathematically impossible. As Jesus entered on Palm Sunday and was crucified on Good Friday, the number of days from the day he entered to the day he was crucified has to equal the number of days from Sunday to Friday. 47.139.42.134 ( talk) 00:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a to-the-point discussion here (Cheshvan talkpage). Please take a look before adding items. You are most welcome to contribute. Thank you, Arminden ( talk) 12:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
The article doesn't really provide any astronomical "anchor" that I can see. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 18:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
We really need to debate this at the talk page and suspend the unseemly edit war in main space. May I remind protagonists that WP:bold, revert, discuss is the mechanism for dispute resolution, not revert/counter-revert/counter-counter-revert. WP:STATUSQUO also applies, though even at what point the ante operates is also disputed. The dispute is whether it is more important for the WP:SHORTDESCRIPTION to show Nisan as the first or the seventh month of "the Hebrew calendar".
The article Hebrew calendar begins
The Hebrew calendar ( Hebrew: הַלּוּחַ הָעִבְרִי, romanized: HaLuah HaIvri), also called the Jewish calendar, is a lunisolar calendar used today for Jewish religious observance and as an official calendar of Israel.
so it is a religious and a civil calendar.
The section Hebrew calendar#Month has a table that begins
Month number* | Hebrew month | Length | Gregorian range for first day of month [a] | Range for last day of month | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ecclesiastical/ Biblical |
Civil | ||||
1 | 7 | Nisan | 30 | 12 Mar to 11 Apr | 10 Apr to 10 May |
and Hebrew calendar#New Year makes it clear that Nisan is both the first and the seventh month.
So the question must be: should the SD show the "ecclesiastical" new year, the civil new year, or both.
In respect of the status quo ante, it is argued that the change to give precedence to the civil calendar is recent and should not have status.
Is that a fair summary? -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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"well, its hard to understand because the nisan is so different to our calendar...... i still dont understand!" ---who said this? no name? this is VERY IGNORANT, and should not be here!
these unacademic contributions and thoughts are not necessary my Kemalist friend, wikipedia is no place for Kemalist propaganda and mythology and dillusions.
there is absolutey no such thing as "turkish calendar" maybe there is a "turkic calendar" but I am unaware with that part of the world and wuld have to do further research on central asia and monglolia to realize such a trukic calendar.
but as for Turkish, this word "Turkish" was invented in the 20th century, too late to have a calendar.
Nissan is a Semitic month, of Canaanites, Hebrews, Assyrians, Arabs etc... When incorporating the gregorian calendar and replacing the canaantie caledar which all Levantine Arabs, Hebrews, Aramaic people used to use (except for peninsular arabs who even before islam in the pagan jahaliyah times used the calendar which is today the so-called "islamic calendar") but this so-called hebrew calendar is simply the canaanite calendar used by all the semites on the levant, whether they are arab speaking, hebrew speaking (extinct long ago,as most jews in the are were not from the tribes of israel and were either aramaic or arabic speakers), or aramaic speaking peoples, whether, they were christian, jewish or muslim, this is the semitic, levantine calendar.
Thus if Turks happend to use Nissan as the fourth month, this is only because they borrowed the term from Levant ine Arabic. Thank you and please educate yourself before you use this term "Turkish" in academia. Elsb3antisophist ( talk) 03:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Nisan is a babylonian name, the Torah clearly states that the year starts with Aviv, that is the first month. The Hebrew definite article is used in each reference to Aviv. The name Nisan only occurs in the book of Nehemiah and Ester both books written about Babylonian capitivity. It seems that one would not want to change the Torah name of Aviv to the pagan name of Nisan. No harm to refer to Nisan, but the Torah clearly uses Aviv as the first month and should be the standard not Nisan. See Ex 13:4; 23:15; 34:18 and Deu 16:1. To discuss Nisan and leave this out is injustice to knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.174.92.169 ( talk) 20:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Can 27 Nisan fall on a Saturday?-- Pharos 19:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Article says "usually falls in March–April". Does Nisan ever fall outside of those two months?-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 12:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
It always begins in March or April. It usually begins in March and ends in April. It sometimes begins in April and ends in May. Nisan begins in March or April and ends in April or May. It typically starts at the new moon nearest to the vernal equinox, with the start of Passover (and the middle of Nisan) typically falling at the first full moon after the vernal equinox. 47.139.42.134 ( talk) 01:05, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
According to this video, a Michael Tsarion presentation, (2:00 onward), the Nissan brand results from Nisan which means "The first month of the year" and also is a symbol for the sun. Any proof for that? Maybe we should spend a sentence if so or even if not. Thanks,-- Bapho talk 21:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
May want to include a note that, according to the Gospels, Jesus died and, according to Christians, was resurrected during Nisan (see, for example, John 19:31 for dating). Jordanp ( talk) 16:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Nisanψ (נִיסָן, Standard Hebrew Nisan, Tiberian Hebrew Nîsān: from Akkadian nisānu, from Sumerian nisag "First fruits") is the first month of the sacred year and the seventh month (eighth, in leap year) of the civil year on the Hebrew calendar.
What there us no leap year That is pagan .first fruit is the 3rd month which is May in the bible you have to follow the Enoch calendar to follow the biblical feast days the feast day and laws was given to the Hebrews so you can follow what the genties tell you the laws was not give to them Ladyofprosper ( talk) 18:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
ψψφΦ Article incorrectly states "Jesus triumphantly entered Jerusalem" on 10 Nisan and was crucified on 14 Nisan 14. This is mathematically impossible. As Jesus entered on Palm Sunday and was crucified on Good Friday, the number of days from the day he entered to the day he was crucified has to equal the number of days from Sunday to Friday. 47.139.42.134 ( talk) 00:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a to-the-point discussion here (Cheshvan talkpage). Please take a look before adding items. You are most welcome to contribute. Thank you, Arminden ( talk) 12:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
The article doesn't really provide any astronomical "anchor" that I can see. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 18:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
We really need to debate this at the talk page and suspend the unseemly edit war in main space. May I remind protagonists that WP:bold, revert, discuss is the mechanism for dispute resolution, not revert/counter-revert/counter-counter-revert. WP:STATUSQUO also applies, though even at what point the ante operates is also disputed. The dispute is whether it is more important for the WP:SHORTDESCRIPTION to show Nisan as the first or the seventh month of "the Hebrew calendar".
The article Hebrew calendar begins
The Hebrew calendar ( Hebrew: הַלּוּחַ הָעִבְרִי, romanized: HaLuah HaIvri), also called the Jewish calendar, is a lunisolar calendar used today for Jewish religious observance and as an official calendar of Israel.
so it is a religious and a civil calendar.
The section Hebrew calendar#Month has a table that begins
Month number* | Hebrew month | Length | Gregorian range for first day of month [a] | Range for last day of month | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ecclesiastical/ Biblical |
Civil | ||||
1 | 7 | Nisan | 30 | 12 Mar to 11 Apr | 10 Apr to 10 May |
and Hebrew calendar#New Year makes it clear that Nisan is both the first and the seventh month.
So the question must be: should the SD show the "ecclesiastical" new year, the civil new year, or both.
In respect of the status quo ante, it is argued that the change to give precedence to the civil calendar is recent and should not have status.
Is that a fair summary? -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 18:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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