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I think the albums should have track listings and their respective time lengths. With a band this popular and influential I'm sure wiki-pages of stand-alone songs might already exist or will soon exist. -- Evoluzion 20:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
No, unnecessary. It's only a click away. -- Reaper X 04:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey now that kicks ass! That should go on the front page, but with the Box sets included aswell.
Those repackaged two-in-one "box sets" shouldn't be included here. There's nothing unique to them. -- ChrisB 22:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
So when will there be a new album Fecal Metter Demo ? Does anyone know ?
what a stupid name for a guideline...anyway, I checked it out, the one conflicting thing is that it says not to use album images. Please...besides, they have the Oasis discography as a model, and it uses images. It does however differ in layout, and it looks fairly neat. I don't think changing this discography to that type of layout would be difficult, I say we do it. -- Reaper X 18:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yea, I did it up. The only thing is I couldn't find the codes for
Holland or
Switzerland, so I temporarily substituted in HOL and SWZ for them, respectively. COuld someone find the actual codes if those are incorrect? --
Reaper
X 17:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I just learned Holland is the terminology-incorrect name for the
Netherlands, thank you Wikipedia for making me less ignorant :) --
Reaper
X 17:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
There have only been 14 singles. The others were radio promos not available to buy as singles.
I'm not sure I like this section. Nearly all of the songs that could be listed here aren't Nirvana songs - they're Cobain demos. I know that many similar Cobain demos were released as "Nirvana" songs on With the Lights Out and The Best of the Box (including The Jury demos, which weren't Nirvana at all), but I don't think his demos should automatically count or be considered as Nirvana recordings for the point of the discography. (And, honestly, "Montage of Heck" and "Escalator to Hell" aren't even songs.)
If we include those, then we end up moving the direction of including Fecal Matter songs as Cobain demos (and "Nirvana songs"). And those songs (save for the ones they actually played) are not Nirvana songs.
We have so much territory that we can cover without including the unreleased material - I feel like we should stay away from it. It's already mentioned in the Nirvana article that other material remains unreleased - there's not much encyclopedic value in specifically naming that material. I really believe we should stick to the items that have been officially released as Nirvana material. -- ChrisB 04:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone has really fucked up this discography. At one point it was perfect. I'll try and sort out what I can. Its like the page was either written by someone with half a brain or like someone is trying to shun Nirvana. 83.67.100.248 16:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC).
If this Tag is being used, surely it is ok to use the images:
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83.67.100.248 17:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
The source used for the U.S sales of albums is old. 83.67.100.248 17:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any need for a table of b-sides in a bands discography. Check the name of the title Discography. 83.67.100.248 18:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Before altering any info on the page please read this Help:Contents/Links and more specificaly this: Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Published books are more appropriate as ar as charts are concerned many web "unofficial" web archives such as this one [1] for Australia only list the top 40 when the official ARIA published charts are top 100.
And this unnofficial site only archives charts back to 1993 [2] for New Zealand, where charts have existed since 1966. However this does not mean these sites cannot be used as source just that there are bettersources in the form of books.
Thats just two examples. 83.67.100.248 19:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Would it not be better to just use one linked source for info from the http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp website. As per Wiki guidelnes. 83.67.100.248 14:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
What about "The Very Best" - compilation CD;
http://www.last.fm/music/Nirvana/The+Very+Best
http://www.amazon.com/Very-Best-Nirvana/dp/B000KC1Q7O —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmundmedmunn ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that "Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flowing Throught the Strip" was indeed released as a single, albeit a promotional cassette:
http://fusionanomaly.net/flow.html
http://fusionanomaly.net/nirvanagallonspromocassettecover.jpg
Just so you guys don't think I'm a vandal.-- 99.179.75.218 ( talk) 20:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Certifications for releases in Canada can be found here: http://www.cria.ca/cert_db_search.php?page=2&wclause=WHERE+artist_name+like+%27%25Nirvana%25%27+ORDER+BY+cert_date%2C+cert_award+&rcnt=38&csearch=0&nextprev=1 193.195.193.123 ( talk) 11:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Bleach: 1999. Gold. 50,000 units.
Nevermind: 2001. Diamond. 1,000,000 units
Incesticide: 1997. 2 x Platinum. 200,000 untis.
In Utero: 2001. 6 x Platinum. 600,000 units.
Unplugged: 2001. 9 x Platinum. 900,000 units.
FTMBOTW: 1996. 2 xPlatinum. 200,00 units.
LTSO: 1995. Gold. 50,000 units.
193.195.197.20 ( talk) 12:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no restriction against using File:Nirvana album cover.jpg in the infobox because the image is not copyrighted. – Zntrip 03:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
File:Nirvana album cover.jpg is 100% okay to use. It's just text on a background, so it cannot possibly be copyrighted. And it makes since to use this image because unlike the previous image it 1) has to do with the band's discography and 2) isn't used on the article about the band. – Zntrip 03:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually it makes a lot of sense. The cover of Nirvana better represents the band's discography than a picture of them preforming. Additionally, File:Nirvana around 1992.jpg is used in the infobox on Nirvana (band) and it would be nice to use a different image. – Zntrip 03:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The album cover is representative of the band's entire discography because it is actually a part of the discography and it is the band's greatest hits album. May I ask you how a picture of the band performing at the MTV Video Music Awards is more representative of the discography? I agree it would be nicer if we could use another album cover such as Nevermind, but the fact is that the cover of Nirvana is not copyrighted and as a greatest hits album it is basically a condensed version of the band's entire discography. File:Nirvana around 1992.jpg is also over used. It appears on Kurt Cobain, Nirvana (band), rock music, grunge music, 1990s in music, and this page; I think you would agree that it would be nice to try to find a different image to use. Additionally, your quo argument does not apply to this discussion because there are very few cases in which an album image is not copyrighted. – Zntrip 04:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why no one is addressing any of my points. I understand what is done on most discography pages. However in this situation we happen to have an album cover that is not under copyright protection. Furthermore, this album cover happens to be the band's greatest hits album. This album, in a sense, represents the entire discography. That is what makes this image notable. A picture of the band performing has less to do with the discography than the album cover. If all of my statements thus far are correct why are there still objects to including the image? – Zntrip 04:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"This album, in a sense, represents the entire discography."
I realize it is only 14 songs, all I'm saying is that it is more representative of the discography at-large than a picture of the band. Would you care to address any other part of my previous comment? – Zntrip 05:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Judging by your last comment, you clearly have not been paying attention to what I have said. How could there be an "unauthorized reproduction" of a non-copyrighted image? Why would we have to discuss this at WikiProject Discographies? Have I not made the point that this is a special situation? The only thing close to a guideline for this situation would be here, but this is in no way a consensus. Since I get the feeling that you are unwilling to discuss this any further I will make a request for a third opinion. – Zntrip 05:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The point of the image in the infobox is to try to identify the topic of the article visually. An image of one of their albums is great at visually identifying that album, but not so great at identifying the band's discography. It would be impossible to identify their discography with a single image, so an image which identifies the band would be the logical image to use rather than an image which simply identifies one of their albums. -- JD554 ( talk) 07:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"The greatest hits album doesn't represent only a small portion of the discography, it represents the whole thing."
I'd like you to re-read that sentence and to understand how ludicrous it is. -5- ( talk) 02:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
"just as the House of Commons is 646 people out of 61 million people"
So, you think the infobox image for British people should be changed to an image of the House of Commons? -5- ( talk) 02:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
← Zntrip, it seems consensus is pretty clear here. I think we could probably remove the {{ 3O}} template at this point. – Juliancolton | Talk 02:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I have been watching what goes on here and it is quite obvious that Wesley Dodds is out either to ruin the reputation of the band Nirvana or simply to destroy other contributer's efforts without any good reason. 193.195.196.37 ( talk) 11:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks.
CAVincent (
talk) 04:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Just a suggestion but it might be an idea to have a seperate article for all of the awards istead of on the band page, as has been done for the Foo Fighters. 193.195.197.254 ( talk) 14:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps also an article listing Nirvana songs used in video games, again just a suggestion. 193.195.197.254 ( talk) 14:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Should the reissued version of Bleach be included here, or at least mentioned somewhere? – Zntrip
Charts for the Netherlands can be found here: http://dutchcharts.nl/search.asp?search=Nirvana&cat=s
It is important to include well referenced info. Please don't remove just because you think that there is "enough already". 193.195.193.183 ( talk) 10:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Why is there not a separate section for studio albums? Discographies that clearly separate studio albums from compilations are intuitive, this is far from that. Unless there is some insider logic behind lumping all albums together it should be modified. -- 98.201.105.130 ( talk) 22:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Just thought I'd point out that The Grunge Years is listed in the Other appearances table as being released in 1994. It was actually released in 1991. mjgm84 ( talk) 11:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
there seems to be some self contradiction by some users; within the Nirvana discography page we have all the studio albums, compilation albums, live albums and box sets together in one table - I have no argument with this. However when it comes to the chronology found on each individual page for each release there seems to opposition against having all the releases in one order - the same as the discography page. Particuarly by User: Wesly Dodds. Are there any wikipedia guidelines which outline rules for these chronologies ? It seems silly to have a seperate chronology for compilation albums; because it gives the impression that there were no albums released between Incesticide and 2002's best of album. mjgm84 ( talk) 09:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Does Nevermind It's an Interview merrit a place on the discography page ? I noticed someone tried to add it. It was an official release but was only a promo. Being a promo only, makes it a bit less important and perhaps not important enough to be included. There are many promo releases by this band which arn't included in this discography and rightly so due to their lack of significance. That said it was re-released on the iTunes download version of With the Lights Out. mjgm84 ( talk) 14:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Just in case anyones interested I have the Europarade positions for Nirvana. Euro parade was an official top 40 only chart that ended publication in January 1994. The inforamtion comes from a chart forum, so no proper source yet:
A Nirvana live show that is not listed in the discography. I bought this years ago. The CD does not say much except for a code: TORCOOO1 and a "tor" logo of a blue mountain-like object appears on various places on the cover and on the CD itself. Might be a record company, I do not know. From the title the show happened on the 22 February 1994. All I can say further is that of the 24 tracks, the fastest ever Smells Like Teen Spirit features and one kick-ass live version of Lounge Act.
I just wanted to bring it to you guys' attention so that you can make the page perfect and thereby give Nirvana the credit they deserve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.6.208.129 ( talk) 23:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know: In Utero has been certified triple platinum in New Zealand [3]. I don't know whether you want this added, as at the moment only US, Canada and UK are listed. Adabow ( talk · contribs) 20:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Unlike most other discographies, this one does not separate out album types (studio, live, compilations, etc.). Just wondering why that is. Would there be an uproar if I split them up? - eo ( talk) 12:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Forgive me if I am wrong but if the 2002 Nirvana album has been certified Platinum in the USA then it must have sold over 1 million copies in the USA, and so the sales figures in the article should reflect that. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 19:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I would just like to point out the fact that someone has deleted the page for Sliver: The Best of the Box and put it into the With the Lights Out page. This was done without prior discussion. The Sliver album should have its own page as it was a completely seperate release. mjgm84 ( talk) 08:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Three songs from the MTV Unplugged in New York album were released as individual music videos back in 1994/1995, each accompanying a promotional single. Those songs were "About a Girl", "The Man Who Sold the World" and "All Apologies". Should these not be added to the music video section ?
how about Ultra Rare Trax which was released in 2010? it seems that you've missed this album. 2.181.99.220 ( talk) 11:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
11.5 million is not diamond. It's 11x platinum. AmericanLeMans ( talk) 18:25, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Currently in the video albums table Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! is listed twice, once for the original VHS and Laser disc release in 1994 and also separately for the 2006 DVD release. At the end of the day the DVD is just a re-release and its not like we have separate listings for re-releases of the albums such as the 20th anniversary editions. If the two listings for Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! were merged together then it could be mentioned in the format section that the DVD was released in 2006. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 10:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states the U.S. sales of Nevermind are 11.5 million. The source for this is a March 1995 article in the British newspaper The Independent. The source says "the album has now sold 11-and-a-half million" but it doesn't say these are U.S. sales. At the time the article was written, Nevermind was certified 7x platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (7 million copies shipped) and would not reach 10x platinum until 1999. The source cited is probably referring to worldwide sales. In any case the source does not support the claim that U.S. sales are 11.5 million. Piriczki ( talk) 17:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
There were three promotional singles released in the United States for this song: "All Apologies" (LP version) DGC 4581, "All Apologies" (LP version)/"Rape Me" (LP version) DGC 4582, and "All Apologies" (MTV Unplugged)/"All Apologies" (LP version) DGC 4618. "All Apologies" (from In Utero) entered Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks chart the week ending December 4, 1993 and the Album Rock Tracks chart the week ending December 18, 1993. "All Apologies" then entered the Hot 100 Airplay chart the week ending January 15, 1994. "All Apologies" (MTV Unplugged) DGC 4618 did not appear in Billboard until three weeks later (February 5, 1994 issue) when it was reviewed in the new single releases section. There is no indication that it was the MTV Unplugged version that appeared on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. Piriczki ( talk) 14:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Pro CD Includes MTV Unplugged version
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So, Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#Per-release states that there should be "approximately" 10 charts included, that does not mean it has to actually be 10 charts we could have more. It also says that for which charts should be included a good rule of thumb is to go by the relative success of the artist on that chart. There are currently 15 charts and I will give my reasons on which 10 should be kept and which should go as follows:
That leaves us with the best 10 as per the guidelines. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Song | Year | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Album | |||||||||
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US [1] |
US Main [2] |
US Alt. [3] |
AUS [4] |
FIN [5] |
FRA [6] |
IRE [7] |
NZ [8] |
PT [9] |
UK [10] | ||||
" Love Buzz" [A] | 1988 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Bleach | |
" Sliver" [B] | 1990 | — | — | 19 | — | — | — | 23 | — | — | 77 | Non-album single | |
" Smells Like Teen Spirit" | 1991 | 6 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 1 | 15 | 1 | 2 | 7 | Nevermind | |
" Come as You Are" | 1992 | 32 | 3 | 3 | 25 | 8 | 12 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 9 | ||
" Lithium" | 64 | 16 | 25 | 53 | 1 | — | 5 | 28 | 4 | 11 | |||
" In Bloom" | — | 5 | — | 73 | 16 | — | 7 | 20 | 10 | 28 | |||
" Heart-Shaped Box" | 1993 | — | 4 | 1 | 21 | 9 | 37 | 6 | 9 | 4 | 5 |
|
In Utero |
"
All Apologies"/ " Rape Me" [C] |
— [D] | 4 — |
1 — |
58 | — | 20 | 20 | 32 | — | 32 | |||
" Pennyroyal Tea" | 1994 | — [E] | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | 121 [F] | ||
" About a Girl" [G] | — [H] | 3 | 1 | 4 | 8 | 23 | — | — | — | 185 [I] |
|
MTV Unplugged in New York | |
" You Know You're Right" [J] | 2002 | 45 | 1 | 1 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Nirvana | |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory. |
QuintusPetillius ( talk) 12:10, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion it would be better to cut the two US rock charts, I don't see much of a point in having sub charts listed when the band charted on the US hot 100. OBLIVIUS ( talk) 12:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
That then leaves us with this: QuintusPetillius ( talk) 13:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Song | Year | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Album | |||||||||
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US [1] |
AUS [4] |
BEL [22] |
FIN [5] |
FRA [6] |
IRE [23] |
NZ [24] |
PT [25] |
SWE [26] |
UK [27] | ||||
" Love Buzz" [K] | 1988 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Bleach | |
" Sliver" [L] | 1990 | — | — | — | — | — | 23 | — | — | — | 77 | Non-album single | |
" Smells Like Teen Spirit" | 1991 | 6 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 15 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 7 | Nevermind | |
" Come as You Are" | 1992 | 32 | 25 | 15 | 8 | 12 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 24 | 9 | ||
" Lithium" | 64 | 53 | 28 | 1 | — | 5 | 28 | 4 | — | 11 | |||
" In Bloom" | — | 73 | — | 16 | — | 7 | 20 | 10 | 30 | 28 | |||
" Heart-Shaped Box" | 1993 | — | 21 | 31 | 9 | 37 | 6 | 9 | 4 | 16 | 5 |
|
In Utero |
"
All Apologies"/ " Rape Me" [M] |
— [N] | 58 | 43 | — | 20 | 20 | 32 | — | — | 32 | |||
" Pennyroyal Tea" | 1994 | — [O] | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | 121 [P] | ||
" About a Girl" [Q] | — [R] | 4 | 13 | 8 | 23 | — | — | — | 20 | 185 [S] |
|
MTV Unplugged in New York | |
" You Know You're Right" [T] | 2002 | 45 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Nirvana | |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory. |
There are a number of national singles charts for Nirvana that are missing from the various Wikipedia articles which it would be good to get sources for. These are as follows:
Ultratop Belgium (Wallonia): We have both the Belgium Flanders and Belgium Wallonia album charts for Nirvana as sourced from Ultratop but only the singles charts for Flanders. There is a gap in the Ultratop singles archive for Wallonia from around 1979 to mid way through 1994. However, I have been informed that Ultratop are working on filling this gap on their website at some point but it will take time because they have to go through thousands of newspaper articles.
Belgium IFPI: During Nirvana's time there was also an official chart compiled by IFPI Belgium for Flanders and Wallonia combined. The top ten of this chart was published in Music & Media and so the peaks have been added to the " Smells Like Teen Spirit" and " Come as You Are" articles accordingly from that source. However, Music & Media also used the full Belgium IFPI chart to compile the European Hot 100 Singles, and entries on the Euro Hot 100 show in the key that the Nirvana singles " Lithium", " Heart-Shaped Box" " All Apologies / " Rape Me and " About a Girl" also charted on the Belgium IFPI chart: They are denoted with a "B" to show that Belgium was one of the countries which helped them onto the Euro Hot 100. See page 13 of the magazine here for example: [6]. However, no-one can seem to find an archive for the Belgium IFPI chart beyond the Top 10: a fellow chart researcher has told me that if an archive still exists then it is probably in the possession of Ultratop but they have denied knowledge of it to him, probably because it does not fit with their brand of having separate Belgium charts for Flanders and Wallonia. Fono magazine published a top 20 of this chart and the archives of this magazine are in the British Library, but Fono was only started in 1998 so of no use. The IFPI Belgium chart was based on sales from distributors to retailers and not on sales from retailers to customers.
Denmark IFPI: "Come as You Are" was Nirvana's only hit on the official IFPI Danmark singles chart during the band's lifetime and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" did not chart. However, at the time the chart was based on sales from distributers to the retailers and not from the retailers to customers, as explained here: Hitlisten. The top ten of the Denmark IFPI chart was published in Music & Media which has been used to source the number 9 peak for "Come as You Are" in the song's article. However, again the Denmark IFPI chart extended to a Top 30 which was used by Music & Media to compile the European Hot 100 Singles, and its entries on the Euro Hot 100 show that "Lithium" charted on the Denmark IFPI chart in August 1992 (but below the Top 10): it is denoted with "DK" in the key to show that it charted on the Denmark IFPI chart. See page 23 of the magazine here for example: [7]. I have spoken to a fellow chart researcher who has this data but was not willing to share it, including the peak, because it would be illegal for him to do so under copyright law. By March 1993, the Denmark IFPI chart was fully based on sales to customers, this info is not copyrighted, and the Nirvana single "Lithium" was in the Top 50 as per the song's article. The single "About a Girl" and the " Singles" box set also charted but this was after Nirvana had ended. The Nirvana singles "Smells Like Teen Spirit", "Come As You Are" and "Heart-Shaped Box" have had Denmark peaks added from this source: [8] which was a semi-official chart for the North Jutland County and based on physical sales but was not the national chart.
Greece IFPI: I have confirmed that "Come as You Are" was Nirvana's only hit on the IFPI Greece chart (albeit during the band's lifetime). This is confirmed by the Euro Hot 100 entries for the song in Music & Media which show it denoted with "GR" for the Greek IFPI chart, in three separate weeks. See page 37 of the magazine here for example: [9]. However, I have not been able to find a copy of the Greek Pop & Rock magazine which published the full Greek IFPI chart for that month. If found it could be used a source for the Wikipedia article.
Switzerland: There are also Euro Hot 100 entries for "Lithium" which show that Switzerland ("CF") was one of the countries where it charted even though it does not appear in the official Switzerland chart archives. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 18:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Canada (The Record): There are also some missing Canadian charts from The Record (magazine) which was the competitor to RPM (magazine) which we already have the charts from.
Scotland (Charts Plus): Music Week subscription chart newsletter, Charts Plus (1990s publication), published Scottish charts before OCC started publishing them in 1994. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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I think the albums should have track listings and their respective time lengths. With a band this popular and influential I'm sure wiki-pages of stand-alone songs might already exist or will soon exist. -- Evoluzion 20:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
No, unnecessary. It's only a click away. -- Reaper X 04:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey now that kicks ass! That should go on the front page, but with the Box sets included aswell.
Those repackaged two-in-one "box sets" shouldn't be included here. There's nothing unique to them. -- ChrisB 22:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
So when will there be a new album Fecal Metter Demo ? Does anyone know ?
what a stupid name for a guideline...anyway, I checked it out, the one conflicting thing is that it says not to use album images. Please...besides, they have the Oasis discography as a model, and it uses images. It does however differ in layout, and it looks fairly neat. I don't think changing this discography to that type of layout would be difficult, I say we do it. -- Reaper X 18:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Yea, I did it up. The only thing is I couldn't find the codes for
Holland or
Switzerland, so I temporarily substituted in HOL and SWZ for them, respectively. COuld someone find the actual codes if those are incorrect? --
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I just learned Holland is the terminology-incorrect name for the
Netherlands, thank you Wikipedia for making me less ignorant :) --
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There have only been 14 singles. The others were radio promos not available to buy as singles.
I'm not sure I like this section. Nearly all of the songs that could be listed here aren't Nirvana songs - they're Cobain demos. I know that many similar Cobain demos were released as "Nirvana" songs on With the Lights Out and The Best of the Box (including The Jury demos, which weren't Nirvana at all), but I don't think his demos should automatically count or be considered as Nirvana recordings for the point of the discography. (And, honestly, "Montage of Heck" and "Escalator to Hell" aren't even songs.)
If we include those, then we end up moving the direction of including Fecal Matter songs as Cobain demos (and "Nirvana songs"). And those songs (save for the ones they actually played) are not Nirvana songs.
We have so much territory that we can cover without including the unreleased material - I feel like we should stay away from it. It's already mentioned in the Nirvana article that other material remains unreleased - there's not much encyclopedic value in specifically naming that material. I really believe we should stick to the items that have been officially released as Nirvana material. -- ChrisB 04:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone has really fucked up this discography. At one point it was perfect. I'll try and sort out what I can. Its like the page was either written by someone with half a brain or like someone is trying to shun Nirvana. 83.67.100.248 16:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC).
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83.67.100.248 17:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
The source used for the U.S sales of albums is old. 83.67.100.248 17:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any need for a table of b-sides in a bands discography. Check the name of the title Discography. 83.67.100.248 18:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Before altering any info on the page please read this Help:Contents/Links and more specificaly this: Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Published books are more appropriate as ar as charts are concerned many web "unofficial" web archives such as this one [1] for Australia only list the top 40 when the official ARIA published charts are top 100.
And this unnofficial site only archives charts back to 1993 [2] for New Zealand, where charts have existed since 1966. However this does not mean these sites cannot be used as source just that there are bettersources in the form of books.
Thats just two examples. 83.67.100.248 19:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Would it not be better to just use one linked source for info from the http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp website. As per Wiki guidelnes. 83.67.100.248 14:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
What about "The Very Best" - compilation CD;
http://www.last.fm/music/Nirvana/The+Very+Best
http://www.amazon.com/Very-Best-Nirvana/dp/B000KC1Q7O —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmundmedmunn ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that "Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flowing Throught the Strip" was indeed released as a single, albeit a promotional cassette:
http://fusionanomaly.net/flow.html
http://fusionanomaly.net/nirvanagallonspromocassettecover.jpg
Just so you guys don't think I'm a vandal.-- 99.179.75.218 ( talk) 20:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Certifications for releases in Canada can be found here: http://www.cria.ca/cert_db_search.php?page=2&wclause=WHERE+artist_name+like+%27%25Nirvana%25%27+ORDER+BY+cert_date%2C+cert_award+&rcnt=38&csearch=0&nextprev=1 193.195.193.123 ( talk) 11:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Bleach: 1999. Gold. 50,000 units.
Nevermind: 2001. Diamond. 1,000,000 units
Incesticide: 1997. 2 x Platinum. 200,000 untis.
In Utero: 2001. 6 x Platinum. 600,000 units.
Unplugged: 2001. 9 x Platinum. 900,000 units.
FTMBOTW: 1996. 2 xPlatinum. 200,00 units.
LTSO: 1995. Gold. 50,000 units.
193.195.197.20 ( talk) 12:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no restriction against using File:Nirvana album cover.jpg in the infobox because the image is not copyrighted. – Zntrip 03:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
File:Nirvana album cover.jpg is 100% okay to use. It's just text on a background, so it cannot possibly be copyrighted. And it makes since to use this image because unlike the previous image it 1) has to do with the band's discography and 2) isn't used on the article about the band. – Zntrip 03:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually it makes a lot of sense. The cover of Nirvana better represents the band's discography than a picture of them preforming. Additionally, File:Nirvana around 1992.jpg is used in the infobox on Nirvana (band) and it would be nice to use a different image. – Zntrip 03:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The album cover is representative of the band's entire discography because it is actually a part of the discography and it is the band's greatest hits album. May I ask you how a picture of the band performing at the MTV Video Music Awards is more representative of the discography? I agree it would be nicer if we could use another album cover such as Nevermind, but the fact is that the cover of Nirvana is not copyrighted and as a greatest hits album it is basically a condensed version of the band's entire discography. File:Nirvana around 1992.jpg is also over used. It appears on Kurt Cobain, Nirvana (band), rock music, grunge music, 1990s in music, and this page; I think you would agree that it would be nice to try to find a different image to use. Additionally, your quo argument does not apply to this discussion because there are very few cases in which an album image is not copyrighted. – Zntrip 04:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why no one is addressing any of my points. I understand what is done on most discography pages. However in this situation we happen to have an album cover that is not under copyright protection. Furthermore, this album cover happens to be the band's greatest hits album. This album, in a sense, represents the entire discography. That is what makes this image notable. A picture of the band performing has less to do with the discography than the album cover. If all of my statements thus far are correct why are there still objects to including the image? – Zntrip 04:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"This album, in a sense, represents the entire discography."
I realize it is only 14 songs, all I'm saying is that it is more representative of the discography at-large than a picture of the band. Would you care to address any other part of my previous comment? – Zntrip 05:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Judging by your last comment, you clearly have not been paying attention to what I have said. How could there be an "unauthorized reproduction" of a non-copyrighted image? Why would we have to discuss this at WikiProject Discographies? Have I not made the point that this is a special situation? The only thing close to a guideline for this situation would be here, but this is in no way a consensus. Since I get the feeling that you are unwilling to discuss this any further I will make a request for a third opinion. – Zntrip 05:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The point of the image in the infobox is to try to identify the topic of the article visually. An image of one of their albums is great at visually identifying that album, but not so great at identifying the band's discography. It would be impossible to identify their discography with a single image, so an image which identifies the band would be the logical image to use rather than an image which simply identifies one of their albums. -- JD554 ( talk) 07:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
"The greatest hits album doesn't represent only a small portion of the discography, it represents the whole thing."
I'd like you to re-read that sentence and to understand how ludicrous it is. -5- ( talk) 02:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
"just as the House of Commons is 646 people out of 61 million people"
So, you think the infobox image for British people should be changed to an image of the House of Commons? -5- ( talk) 02:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
← Zntrip, it seems consensus is pretty clear here. I think we could probably remove the {{ 3O}} template at this point. – Juliancolton | Talk 02:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I have been watching what goes on here and it is quite obvious that Wesley Dodds is out either to ruin the reputation of the band Nirvana or simply to destroy other contributer's efforts without any good reason. 193.195.196.37 ( talk) 11:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks.
CAVincent (
talk) 04:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Just a suggestion but it might be an idea to have a seperate article for all of the awards istead of on the band page, as has been done for the Foo Fighters. 193.195.197.254 ( talk) 14:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps also an article listing Nirvana songs used in video games, again just a suggestion. 193.195.197.254 ( talk) 14:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Should the reissued version of Bleach be included here, or at least mentioned somewhere? – Zntrip
Charts for the Netherlands can be found here: http://dutchcharts.nl/search.asp?search=Nirvana&cat=s
It is important to include well referenced info. Please don't remove just because you think that there is "enough already". 193.195.193.183 ( talk) 10:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Why is there not a separate section for studio albums? Discographies that clearly separate studio albums from compilations are intuitive, this is far from that. Unless there is some insider logic behind lumping all albums together it should be modified. -- 98.201.105.130 ( talk) 22:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Just thought I'd point out that The Grunge Years is listed in the Other appearances table as being released in 1994. It was actually released in 1991. mjgm84 ( talk) 11:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
there seems to be some self contradiction by some users; within the Nirvana discography page we have all the studio albums, compilation albums, live albums and box sets together in one table - I have no argument with this. However when it comes to the chronology found on each individual page for each release there seems to opposition against having all the releases in one order - the same as the discography page. Particuarly by User: Wesly Dodds. Are there any wikipedia guidelines which outline rules for these chronologies ? It seems silly to have a seperate chronology for compilation albums; because it gives the impression that there were no albums released between Incesticide and 2002's best of album. mjgm84 ( talk) 09:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Does Nevermind It's an Interview merrit a place on the discography page ? I noticed someone tried to add it. It was an official release but was only a promo. Being a promo only, makes it a bit less important and perhaps not important enough to be included. There are many promo releases by this band which arn't included in this discography and rightly so due to their lack of significance. That said it was re-released on the iTunes download version of With the Lights Out. mjgm84 ( talk) 14:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Just in case anyones interested I have the Europarade positions for Nirvana. Euro parade was an official top 40 only chart that ended publication in January 1994. The inforamtion comes from a chart forum, so no proper source yet:
A Nirvana live show that is not listed in the discography. I bought this years ago. The CD does not say much except for a code: TORCOOO1 and a "tor" logo of a blue mountain-like object appears on various places on the cover and on the CD itself. Might be a record company, I do not know. From the title the show happened on the 22 February 1994. All I can say further is that of the 24 tracks, the fastest ever Smells Like Teen Spirit features and one kick-ass live version of Lounge Act.
I just wanted to bring it to you guys' attention so that you can make the page perfect and thereby give Nirvana the credit they deserve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.6.208.129 ( talk) 23:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know: In Utero has been certified triple platinum in New Zealand [3]. I don't know whether you want this added, as at the moment only US, Canada and UK are listed. Adabow ( talk · contribs) 20:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Unlike most other discographies, this one does not separate out album types (studio, live, compilations, etc.). Just wondering why that is. Would there be an uproar if I split them up? - eo ( talk) 12:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Forgive me if I am wrong but if the 2002 Nirvana album has been certified Platinum in the USA then it must have sold over 1 million copies in the USA, and so the sales figures in the article should reflect that. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 19:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I would just like to point out the fact that someone has deleted the page for Sliver: The Best of the Box and put it into the With the Lights Out page. This was done without prior discussion. The Sliver album should have its own page as it was a completely seperate release. mjgm84 ( talk) 08:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Three songs from the MTV Unplugged in New York album were released as individual music videos back in 1994/1995, each accompanying a promotional single. Those songs were "About a Girl", "The Man Who Sold the World" and "All Apologies". Should these not be added to the music video section ?
how about Ultra Rare Trax which was released in 2010? it seems that you've missed this album. 2.181.99.220 ( talk) 11:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
11.5 million is not diamond. It's 11x platinum. AmericanLeMans ( talk) 18:25, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Currently in the video albums table Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! is listed twice, once for the original VHS and Laser disc release in 1994 and also separately for the 2006 DVD release. At the end of the day the DVD is just a re-release and its not like we have separate listings for re-releases of the albums such as the 20th anniversary editions. If the two listings for Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! were merged together then it could be mentioned in the format section that the DVD was released in 2006. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 10:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The article states the U.S. sales of Nevermind are 11.5 million. The source for this is a March 1995 article in the British newspaper The Independent. The source says "the album has now sold 11-and-a-half million" but it doesn't say these are U.S. sales. At the time the article was written, Nevermind was certified 7x platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (7 million copies shipped) and would not reach 10x platinum until 1999. The source cited is probably referring to worldwide sales. In any case the source does not support the claim that U.S. sales are 11.5 million. Piriczki ( talk) 17:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
There were three promotional singles released in the United States for this song: "All Apologies" (LP version) DGC 4581, "All Apologies" (LP version)/"Rape Me" (LP version) DGC 4582, and "All Apologies" (MTV Unplugged)/"All Apologies" (LP version) DGC 4618. "All Apologies" (from In Utero) entered Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks chart the week ending December 4, 1993 and the Album Rock Tracks chart the week ending December 18, 1993. "All Apologies" then entered the Hot 100 Airplay chart the week ending January 15, 1994. "All Apologies" (MTV Unplugged) DGC 4618 did not appear in Billboard until three weeks later (February 5, 1994 issue) when it was reviewed in the new single releases section. There is no indication that it was the MTV Unplugged version that appeared on the Hot 100 Airplay chart. Piriczki ( talk) 14:04, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Pro CD Includes MTV Unplugged version
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So, Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style#Per-release states that there should be "approximately" 10 charts included, that does not mean it has to actually be 10 charts we could have more. It also says that for which charts should be included a good rule of thumb is to go by the relative success of the artist on that chart. There are currently 15 charts and I will give my reasons on which 10 should be kept and which should go as follows:
That leaves us with the best 10 as per the guidelines. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Song | Year | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Album | |||||||||
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US [1] |
US Main [2] |
US Alt. [3] |
AUS [4] |
FIN [5] |
FRA [6] |
IRE [7] |
NZ [8] |
PT [9] |
UK [10] | ||||
" Love Buzz" [A] | 1988 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Bleach | |
" Sliver" [B] | 1990 | — | — | 19 | — | — | — | 23 | — | — | 77 | Non-album single | |
" Smells Like Teen Spirit" | 1991 | 6 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 1 | 15 | 1 | 2 | 7 | Nevermind | |
" Come as You Are" | 1992 | 32 | 3 | 3 | 25 | 8 | 12 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 9 | ||
" Lithium" | 64 | 16 | 25 | 53 | 1 | — | 5 | 28 | 4 | 11 | |||
" In Bloom" | — | 5 | — | 73 | 16 | — | 7 | 20 | 10 | 28 | |||
" Heart-Shaped Box" | 1993 | — | 4 | 1 | 21 | 9 | 37 | 6 | 9 | 4 | 5 |
|
In Utero |
"
All Apologies"/ " Rape Me" [C] |
— [D] | 4 — |
1 — |
58 | — | 20 | 20 | 32 | — | 32 | |||
" Pennyroyal Tea" | 1994 | — [E] | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | 121 [F] | ||
" About a Girl" [G] | — [H] | 3 | 1 | 4 | 8 | 23 | — | — | — | 185 [I] |
|
MTV Unplugged in New York | |
" You Know You're Right" [J] | 2002 | 45 | 1 | 1 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Nirvana | |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory. |
QuintusPetillius ( talk) 12:10, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion it would be better to cut the two US rock charts, I don't see much of a point in having sub charts listed when the band charted on the US hot 100. OBLIVIUS ( talk) 12:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
That then leaves us with this: QuintusPetillius ( talk) 13:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Song | Year | Peak chart positions | Certifications | Album | |||||||||
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US [1] |
AUS [4] |
BEL [22] |
FIN [5] |
FRA [6] |
IRE [23] |
NZ [24] |
PT [25] |
SWE [26] |
UK [27] | ||||
" Love Buzz" [K] | 1988 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Bleach | |
" Sliver" [L] | 1990 | — | — | — | — | — | 23 | — | — | — | 77 | Non-album single | |
" Smells Like Teen Spirit" | 1991 | 6 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 1 | 15 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 7 | Nevermind | |
" Come as You Are" | 1992 | 32 | 25 | 15 | 8 | 12 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 24 | 9 | ||
" Lithium" | 64 | 53 | 28 | 1 | — | 5 | 28 | 4 | — | 11 | |||
" In Bloom" | — | 73 | — | 16 | — | 7 | 20 | 10 | 30 | 28 | |||
" Heart-Shaped Box" | 1993 | — | 21 | 31 | 9 | 37 | 6 | 9 | 4 | 16 | 5 |
|
In Utero |
"
All Apologies"/ " Rape Me" [M] |
— [N] | 58 | 43 | — | 20 | 20 | 32 | — | — | 32 | |||
" Pennyroyal Tea" | 1994 | — [O] | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | 121 [P] | ||
" About a Girl" [Q] | — [R] | 4 | 13 | 8 | 23 | — | — | — | 20 | 185 [S] |
|
MTV Unplugged in New York | |
" You Know You're Right" [T] | 2002 | 45 | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | Nirvana | |
"—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that territory. |
There are a number of national singles charts for Nirvana that are missing from the various Wikipedia articles which it would be good to get sources for. These are as follows:
Ultratop Belgium (Wallonia): We have both the Belgium Flanders and Belgium Wallonia album charts for Nirvana as sourced from Ultratop but only the singles charts for Flanders. There is a gap in the Ultratop singles archive for Wallonia from around 1979 to mid way through 1994. However, I have been informed that Ultratop are working on filling this gap on their website at some point but it will take time because they have to go through thousands of newspaper articles.
Belgium IFPI: During Nirvana's time there was also an official chart compiled by IFPI Belgium for Flanders and Wallonia combined. The top ten of this chart was published in Music & Media and so the peaks have been added to the " Smells Like Teen Spirit" and " Come as You Are" articles accordingly from that source. However, Music & Media also used the full Belgium IFPI chart to compile the European Hot 100 Singles, and entries on the Euro Hot 100 show in the key that the Nirvana singles " Lithium", " Heart-Shaped Box" " All Apologies / " Rape Me and " About a Girl" also charted on the Belgium IFPI chart: They are denoted with a "B" to show that Belgium was one of the countries which helped them onto the Euro Hot 100. See page 13 of the magazine here for example: [6]. However, no-one can seem to find an archive for the Belgium IFPI chart beyond the Top 10: a fellow chart researcher has told me that if an archive still exists then it is probably in the possession of Ultratop but they have denied knowledge of it to him, probably because it does not fit with their brand of having separate Belgium charts for Flanders and Wallonia. Fono magazine published a top 20 of this chart and the archives of this magazine are in the British Library, but Fono was only started in 1998 so of no use. The IFPI Belgium chart was based on sales from distributors to retailers and not on sales from retailers to customers.
Denmark IFPI: "Come as You Are" was Nirvana's only hit on the official IFPI Danmark singles chart during the band's lifetime and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" did not chart. However, at the time the chart was based on sales from distributers to the retailers and not from the retailers to customers, as explained here: Hitlisten. The top ten of the Denmark IFPI chart was published in Music & Media which has been used to source the number 9 peak for "Come as You Are" in the song's article. However, again the Denmark IFPI chart extended to a Top 30 which was used by Music & Media to compile the European Hot 100 Singles, and its entries on the Euro Hot 100 show that "Lithium" charted on the Denmark IFPI chart in August 1992 (but below the Top 10): it is denoted with "DK" in the key to show that it charted on the Denmark IFPI chart. See page 23 of the magazine here for example: [7]. I have spoken to a fellow chart researcher who has this data but was not willing to share it, including the peak, because it would be illegal for him to do so under copyright law. By March 1993, the Denmark IFPI chart was fully based on sales to customers, this info is not copyrighted, and the Nirvana single "Lithium" was in the Top 50 as per the song's article. The single "About a Girl" and the " Singles" box set also charted but this was after Nirvana had ended. The Nirvana singles "Smells Like Teen Spirit", "Come As You Are" and "Heart-Shaped Box" have had Denmark peaks added from this source: [8] which was a semi-official chart for the North Jutland County and based on physical sales but was not the national chart.
Greece IFPI: I have confirmed that "Come as You Are" was Nirvana's only hit on the IFPI Greece chart (albeit during the band's lifetime). This is confirmed by the Euro Hot 100 entries for the song in Music & Media which show it denoted with "GR" for the Greek IFPI chart, in three separate weeks. See page 37 of the magazine here for example: [9]. However, I have not been able to find a copy of the Greek Pop & Rock magazine which published the full Greek IFPI chart for that month. If found it could be used a source for the Wikipedia article.
Switzerland: There are also Euro Hot 100 entries for "Lithium" which show that Switzerland ("CF") was one of the countries where it charted even though it does not appear in the official Switzerland chart archives. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 18:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Canada (The Record): There are also some missing Canadian charts from The Record (magazine) which was the competitor to RPM (magazine) which we already have the charts from.
Scotland (Charts Plus): Music Week subscription chart newsletter, Charts Plus (1990s publication), published Scottish charts before OCC started publishing them in 1994. QuintusPetillius ( talk) 15:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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