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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am normally a slow reviewer - if that is likely to be a problem, please let me know as soon as possible. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements as I'm reading the article rather than list them here; if there is a lot of copy-editing to be done I may suggest getting a copy-editor (on the basis that a fresh set of eyes is helpful). Anything more significant than minor improvements I will raise here. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ✔Tea time Tick boxGA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
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You could try asking User:Eric Corbett, the topic is quirky enough to possibly interest him. He'll not only copyedit, but will also improve the article. If he does take the job, please leave him alone to do it. He works fast and hard and will make many edits - this can unnerve some editors. But if you trust him, and let him get on with it, he'll do a damn good job. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC) General comments
On holdThere's a decent amount of information collected here, and the topic is interesting; I think there is potential here for this article to become a Good Article. It does, though, need a stiff copyedit to make it more readable and to eliminate minor errors. I am pausing the review to allow that work to be done. Please ping me either when the work has been done, or if you have difficulty in getting someone to do it. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
There is guidance on Wikipedia for most matters. In this case it's Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting. To find such advice, think of the main aspect of your query (in this case it might be "bold"), and then in the search box first type"wp:" and then your query - so: WP:Bold. In this case it takes you to Wikipedia:Be bold, but there is a hatnote which suggest you may be looking for the use of boldface in Wikipedia text formatting, and directs you to MOS:BOLD. These two categories are also useful: Category:Wikipedia policies and guidelines, Category:Wikipedia help. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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that kind of thing. He was asked to prove it. -- Smkolins ( talk) 11:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Although he claimed Yakama heritage, he could not prove that heritage by documentation; he was adopted as an honorary member of the Yakama Nation during the administration of the 1946 Yakima Enrollment Act. This occurred after a lifetime of advocacy on behalf of the Yakama Nation and for Indigenous people generally.
-- Smkolins ( talk) 12:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)He did achieve his lifelong quest to rejoin the Yakama Nation, however, when members of the Tomaskin family adopted him in thanks for taking them under his wing in Los Angeles. The Yakama Tribal Council also honored his request to be buried on the reservation, further evidence that for Strongheart--as for many Native Americans today--tribal citizenship mattered just as much as American citizenship.
I think the GAN process has helped develop this article, but I think we have gone as far as we reasonably can at this stage. The article has potential, though there is a reasonable amount of work still to be done on the prose, the lead, and the structuring of the article. Added to which we have this situation regarding the subject's ethnicity, and lack of appropriate sourcing to back up what has been said in the article. I think that issue needs to be resolved first. I am closing this as not listed. When a solution has been found as to the best way to present the uncertainty regarding the subject's ethnicity, then the article can be renominated. I will remove comments from the article that have been raised in this GAN as being unsound. Remember to only use reliable published sources for information - not emails. And remember to remain close to what the published sources say. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Andrew H. Fisher (2010). "They Mean to Be Indian Always". Shadow Tribe: The Making of Columbia River Indian Identity. University of Washington Press. pp. 62–89, 103–110. ISBN 978-0-295-99020-0. -- Smkolins ( talk) 01:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
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Reviewer: SilkTork ( talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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I'll start reading over the next few days and then begin to make comments. I am normally a slow reviewer - if that is likely to be a problem, please let me know as soon as possible. I tend to directly do copy-editing and minor improvements as I'm reading the article rather than list them here; if there is a lot of copy-editing to be done I may suggest getting a copy-editor (on the basis that a fresh set of eyes is helpful). Anything more significant than minor improvements I will raise here. I see the reviewer's role as collaborative and collegiate, so I welcome discussion regarding interpretation of the criteria. SilkTork ✔Tea time Tick boxGA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
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You could try asking User:Eric Corbett, the topic is quirky enough to possibly interest him. He'll not only copyedit, but will also improve the article. If he does take the job, please leave him alone to do it. He works fast and hard and will make many edits - this can unnerve some editors. But if you trust him, and let him get on with it, he'll do a damn good job. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC) General comments
On holdThere's a decent amount of information collected here, and the topic is interesting; I think there is potential here for this article to become a Good Article. It does, though, need a stiff copyedit to make it more readable and to eliminate minor errors. I am pausing the review to allow that work to be done. Please ping me either when the work has been done, or if you have difficulty in getting someone to do it. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
There is guidance on Wikipedia for most matters. In this case it's Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting. To find such advice, think of the main aspect of your query (in this case it might be "bold"), and then in the search box first type"wp:" and then your query - so: WP:Bold. In this case it takes you to Wikipedia:Be bold, but there is a hatnote which suggest you may be looking for the use of boldface in Wikipedia text formatting, and directs you to MOS:BOLD. These two categories are also useful: Category:Wikipedia policies and guidelines, Category:Wikipedia help. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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that kind of thing. He was asked to prove it. -- Smkolins ( talk) 11:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Although he claimed Yakama heritage, he could not prove that heritage by documentation; he was adopted as an honorary member of the Yakama Nation during the administration of the 1946 Yakima Enrollment Act. This occurred after a lifetime of advocacy on behalf of the Yakama Nation and for Indigenous people generally.
-- Smkolins ( talk) 12:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)He did achieve his lifelong quest to rejoin the Yakama Nation, however, when members of the Tomaskin family adopted him in thanks for taking them under his wing in Los Angeles. The Yakama Tribal Council also honored his request to be buried on the reservation, further evidence that for Strongheart--as for many Native Americans today--tribal citizenship mattered just as much as American citizenship.
I think the GAN process has helped develop this article, but I think we have gone as far as we reasonably can at this stage. The article has potential, though there is a reasonable amount of work still to be done on the prose, the lead, and the structuring of the article. Added to which we have this situation regarding the subject's ethnicity, and lack of appropriate sourcing to back up what has been said in the article. I think that issue needs to be resolved first. I am closing this as not listed. When a solution has been found as to the best way to present the uncertainty regarding the subject's ethnicity, then the article can be renominated. I will remove comments from the article that have been raised in this GAN as being unsound. Remember to only use reliable published sources for information - not emails. And remember to remain close to what the published sources say. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Andrew H. Fisher (2010). "They Mean to Be Indian Always". Shadow Tribe: The Making of Columbia River Indian Identity. University of Washington Press. pp. 62–89, 103–110. ISBN 978-0-295-99020-0. -- Smkolins ( talk) 01:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)