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Davydenko recently signed a deal to wear Dunlop clothes and use their rackets [1], but he is still using his Prince racket while testing out the new Dunlop frames. I'm not sure how to rewrite the equipment section because he still uses Prince. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.164.103 ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- added reference from original article Macavity7 07:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Nikolay Davydenko is the sole being who inspired to become high quality at tennis. because of his exceptional temperament and will to succeed, in my view, he is the greatest tennis player this world has ever created, eclipsing the likes of Roger Federer, John Mcenroe and Timothy Norman. Well done Nikolay. If you need my experience at playing in high class tennis situations, don't hesiate to give me a ringer ding ding !!!
Isn't it a well known fact that Davydenko doesn't have a kit sponser, because he's got such a bland and boring personality, so no one will sponser him, should this be mentioned at all?... LazyManJackson 18:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Watch out for the vandals - I'm doing my best to fix the page. DanielSong39 22:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia please monitor Davydenko's page for vandals. There has been a lot of irrevelent info edited. I'm trying to remove it as well. I've contributed a lot to this page this year, writing most of the original info and updating the page. I don't want vandal ruining it all.
The allegations of match fixing are being reported in the mainstream media--see http://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2007/0803/tennis.html among others -- yet these articles are being removed from this page even though the references are sourced. 68.45.106.216 12:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
We have no objection to these things being incorporated into the Davydenko article, but you have to produce verifiable references that they're true. Until then such controversial edits are not acceptable. Xdenizen 13:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've put up a reference to the Betfair betting scandal on the Betfair page, under "controversies". I'd hold off putting info about the scandal on this site until more is revealed about the case - so far there is no evidence of match-fixing. DanielSong39 06:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Under playing style the first sentence says "Davydenko employs an aggressive tanking game although he is capable of playing an all-round fix. His main strengths are his ability to retire, lightning foot speed,bank balance and return game." Later it says "Davydenko's best tank shot has to be his backhand which he can hit out at will, cross court and with extreme angles or dolly it into the net if needed." Later in the last sentence under trivia it says "...due to the fact that he throws more tournaments per year than any other player..."
I don't know how to fix this stuff but it's controversial to say the least. 66.65.88.136 01:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
It still says all that stuff, plus under playing activity for 2004 it says "Followed with title in Munich (d. No. 5 Schüttler in QF, first bet on Betfair, Verkerk in F) and 3rd RD at AMS Rome (d. González, l. to Spadea)" 66.65.88.136 18:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
He is being investigated by the ATP for the potential unfair play. This is undebatable so it should be mentioned in the page. You can't keep deleting these comments. http://select.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/sports/tennis/07araton.html
So far there is no evidence of any foul play. Once more information becomes available it may become appropriate to include this article. But as of now, any allegations of match-fixing is pure speculation. At this point it would be more appropriate to call this a betting controversy, and not a tennis controversy - and as such, pertinent information can be found on the Betfair page. DanielSong39 18:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
This is not speculation, it is an absolute truth about him that he is being investigated by the ATP. Once he is cleared, then the information can be updated that he was investigated, but found not to have engaged in unfair play. It is not speculation that he is being investigated and it is clear from what is written that his involvement is not certain. If he is mentioned in Betfair's page, why is it wrong to mention Betfair in his page?! Nothing I have written is untrue and my comment was excerpted from the NYT. This is not your "pet page" danielsong39 and information that is true deserves to be put in wiki. If you read the policy on living persons in Wiki, this is totally within the guidelines established by Wikipedia. Here is an example taken directly from the policy: " Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. He denies it, but the New York Times publishes the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation may belong in the biography, citing the New York Times as the source." Quit deleting my comments!
QUIT CHANGING MY EDITS DANIELSONG! The excerpt was taken directly from the NYT.-- Tdccm 06:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Danielsong, please stop changing the edits about the gambling controversy! This addition was taken from the NYT and is only one of many references.-- Tdccm 11:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Why did sum1 remove the the sentence that Davydenko and Arguello are innocent? There is no proof of them of any wrongdoing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 12:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
because that statement is untrue since he is under investigation. the proof is to be determined-- Tdccm 23:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC).
Danielsong needs to quit changing the page to suit his own biases about Davydenko. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdccm ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The information from NY Times is misleading, and does not describe the full extent of his poor play preceding the match, or his physical condition before and during the match. DanielSong39 01:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
You are also misleading by saying he "needed a painkiller injection just to able to start the match" and in "poor form", both of which are your own biases. Where is the reference for this?-- Tdccm 22:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I put in the proper references that reference Davydenko's physical condition at the time of the match. His use of painkillers before the match was "locker room knowledge" but did not make it into mainstream media - probably the reason why the gamblers took a shot at Arguello in the match. DanielSong39 ( talk) 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the redundant text danielsong39 added regarding the details of his foot injury since the same thing was stated in two consecutive sentences.-- Tdccm ( talk) 16:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I have examined tennis markets for quite some time and I can attest that large swings in betting odds occur frequently, based on the physical condition of the player. Even if a player is a set up, the odds will often swing against them if the player seems to be in poor physical condition or suffering from injury. For example, Clijsters was once listed as a 6-1 underdog to Mauresmo while on serve in the final set - as the aforementioned player suffered a foot injury during the match. DanielSong39 ( talk) 04:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix it up like it was before but just with 2008 year added please??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand the reason for application. I think that this is an interesting issue. As far as I am informed he was born in Ukraine. How he got russian citizan? Or is he born as russian? He left his country and have lived for many years in Germany. So this can be a reason for decideding to be german. This is possible. Hoever it is not possible to get citizan of two EU countries. This means that you can not be German or Ausrian citizan, at the same time. I have heard, that he moved to Austria/Pörtschach. He has a house there and is managed by his older brother Edward and Ronnie Leitgeb. A very interesting story... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.132.104 ( talk) 03:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Who keeps editing that section by removing parts of it?
I pretty much wrote up the whole Davydenko wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 01:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Why would somebody remove the part about him running around his backhand to hit his forehand? Are you denying that fact? How can his backhand be his best shot given that he himself tries to hit more forehands than backhands and he runs around his backhand all the time.
Wikipedia is not about ownership. If you write something I disagree with, I will change it. So, as a retired tennis coach who has watched him play live at least 7 times now, I'm not sure who came up with the line about Davydenko having "extreme power" on his groundstrokes. He doesn't. In reality, he hits them EARLY, which makes life awkward for opponents. His game - when on - is brilliant, but let's not call it "powerful" (Del Potro and Soderling have power - not Davydenko). His footwork is truly among the best of all time. Look at the tapes from London '09 and the Australian '10. He's far quicker than most people realize but doesn't get credit. (Go ahead and delete my edits. Then I'll come back and delete yours. It'll be like a tennis match)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.63.225.6 ( talk) 19:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The article might benefit a bit from adding a link to Davydenko's schedule, especially because:
I did not find his schedule on the Web. Thanks for any ideas or info. Bo99 ( talk) 13:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but this section is completely down to someone's idea of what is a "highlight". There are no criteria defined and even if there were, it would be entirely subjective. I propose this section be removed and placed on the talk page until someone with the expertise is prepared to re-insert information into the prose. The Rambling Man ( talk) 19:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
You're absolutely right that you don't know what my selection criteria are. How would you? I am 100% positive it will make little or no difference to you whatever is said at the peer review, I acknowledge that already. But at least some of us are trying to achieve GA or FA. The Rambling Man ( talk) 11:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
This article contains an unhealthy amount of POV writing. The following need attention from someone with expertise in the subject matter:
Also, the prose is poor. Most of the sentences are missing an article e.g. "Finished the season with a win ..." This should be written "He finished..." or "Davydenko finished..."
Also, the career highlights section needs some attention. "Highlight" is inherently POV. Can the authors of this section define what is and what is not considered a highlight please. The Rambling Man ( talk) 06:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The very first sentence of the first section, Personal Life, seems to have had content cut out of it in one of the moves mentioned in earlier discussion.
"Davydenko was born on the belief that Russia would afford more opportunities to become a professional tennis player."
Perhaps it was - born in Ukraine but family moved based on the belief - etc. In any case it is meaningless as it stands and should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.98.127 ( talk) 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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Davydenko recently signed a deal to wear Dunlop clothes and use their rackets [1], but he is still using his Prince racket while testing out the new Dunlop frames. I'm not sure how to rewrite the equipment section because he still uses Prince. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.164.103 ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- added reference from original article Macavity7 07:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Nikolay Davydenko is the sole being who inspired to become high quality at tennis. because of his exceptional temperament and will to succeed, in my view, he is the greatest tennis player this world has ever created, eclipsing the likes of Roger Federer, John Mcenroe and Timothy Norman. Well done Nikolay. If you need my experience at playing in high class tennis situations, don't hesiate to give me a ringer ding ding !!!
Isn't it a well known fact that Davydenko doesn't have a kit sponser, because he's got such a bland and boring personality, so no one will sponser him, should this be mentioned at all?... LazyManJackson 18:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Watch out for the vandals - I'm doing my best to fix the page. DanielSong39 22:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia please monitor Davydenko's page for vandals. There has been a lot of irrevelent info edited. I'm trying to remove it as well. I've contributed a lot to this page this year, writing most of the original info and updating the page. I don't want vandal ruining it all.
The allegations of match fixing are being reported in the mainstream media--see http://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2007/0803/tennis.html among others -- yet these articles are being removed from this page even though the references are sourced. 68.45.106.216 12:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
We have no objection to these things being incorporated into the Davydenko article, but you have to produce verifiable references that they're true. Until then such controversial edits are not acceptable. Xdenizen 13:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've put up a reference to the Betfair betting scandal on the Betfair page, under "controversies". I'd hold off putting info about the scandal on this site until more is revealed about the case - so far there is no evidence of match-fixing. DanielSong39 06:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Under playing style the first sentence says "Davydenko employs an aggressive tanking game although he is capable of playing an all-round fix. His main strengths are his ability to retire, lightning foot speed,bank balance and return game." Later it says "Davydenko's best tank shot has to be his backhand which he can hit out at will, cross court and with extreme angles or dolly it into the net if needed." Later in the last sentence under trivia it says "...due to the fact that he throws more tournaments per year than any other player..."
I don't know how to fix this stuff but it's controversial to say the least. 66.65.88.136 01:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
It still says all that stuff, plus under playing activity for 2004 it says "Followed with title in Munich (d. No. 5 Schüttler in QF, first bet on Betfair, Verkerk in F) and 3rd RD at AMS Rome (d. González, l. to Spadea)" 66.65.88.136 18:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
He is being investigated by the ATP for the potential unfair play. This is undebatable so it should be mentioned in the page. You can't keep deleting these comments. http://select.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/sports/tennis/07araton.html
So far there is no evidence of any foul play. Once more information becomes available it may become appropriate to include this article. But as of now, any allegations of match-fixing is pure speculation. At this point it would be more appropriate to call this a betting controversy, and not a tennis controversy - and as such, pertinent information can be found on the Betfair page. DanielSong39 18:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
This is not speculation, it is an absolute truth about him that he is being investigated by the ATP. Once he is cleared, then the information can be updated that he was investigated, but found not to have engaged in unfair play. It is not speculation that he is being investigated and it is clear from what is written that his involvement is not certain. If he is mentioned in Betfair's page, why is it wrong to mention Betfair in his page?! Nothing I have written is untrue and my comment was excerpted from the NYT. This is not your "pet page" danielsong39 and information that is true deserves to be put in wiki. If you read the policy on living persons in Wiki, this is totally within the guidelines established by Wikipedia. Here is an example taken directly from the policy: " Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. He denies it, but the New York Times publishes the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation may belong in the biography, citing the New York Times as the source." Quit deleting my comments!
QUIT CHANGING MY EDITS DANIELSONG! The excerpt was taken directly from the NYT.-- Tdccm 06:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Danielsong, please stop changing the edits about the gambling controversy! This addition was taken from the NYT and is only one of many references.-- Tdccm 11:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Why did sum1 remove the the sentence that Davydenko and Arguello are innocent? There is no proof of them of any wrongdoing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 12:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
because that statement is untrue since he is under investigation. the proof is to be determined-- Tdccm 23:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC).
Danielsong needs to quit changing the page to suit his own biases about Davydenko. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdccm ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The information from NY Times is misleading, and does not describe the full extent of his poor play preceding the match, or his physical condition before and during the match. DanielSong39 01:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
You are also misleading by saying he "needed a painkiller injection just to able to start the match" and in "poor form", both of which are your own biases. Where is the reference for this?-- Tdccm 22:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I put in the proper references that reference Davydenko's physical condition at the time of the match. His use of painkillers before the match was "locker room knowledge" but did not make it into mainstream media - probably the reason why the gamblers took a shot at Arguello in the match. DanielSong39 ( talk) 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I removed the redundant text danielsong39 added regarding the details of his foot injury since the same thing was stated in two consecutive sentences.-- Tdccm ( talk) 16:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I have examined tennis markets for quite some time and I can attest that large swings in betting odds occur frequently, based on the physical condition of the player. Even if a player is a set up, the odds will often swing against them if the player seems to be in poor physical condition or suffering from injury. For example, Clijsters was once listed as a 6-1 underdog to Mauresmo while on serve in the final set - as the aforementioned player suffered a foot injury during the match. DanielSong39 ( talk) 04:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix it up like it was before but just with 2008 year added please??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I do not understand the reason for application. I think that this is an interesting issue. As far as I am informed he was born in Ukraine. How he got russian citizan? Or is he born as russian? He left his country and have lived for many years in Germany. So this can be a reason for decideding to be german. This is possible. Hoever it is not possible to get citizan of two EU countries. This means that you can not be German or Ausrian citizan, at the same time. I have heard, that he moved to Austria/Pörtschach. He has a house there and is managed by his older brother Edward and Ronnie Leitgeb. A very interesting story... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.132.104 ( talk) 03:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Who keeps editing that section by removing parts of it?
I pretty much wrote up the whole Davydenko wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 ( talk) 01:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Why would somebody remove the part about him running around his backhand to hit his forehand? Are you denying that fact? How can his backhand be his best shot given that he himself tries to hit more forehands than backhands and he runs around his backhand all the time.
Wikipedia is not about ownership. If you write something I disagree with, I will change it. So, as a retired tennis coach who has watched him play live at least 7 times now, I'm not sure who came up with the line about Davydenko having "extreme power" on his groundstrokes. He doesn't. In reality, he hits them EARLY, which makes life awkward for opponents. His game - when on - is brilliant, but let's not call it "powerful" (Del Potro and Soderling have power - not Davydenko). His footwork is truly among the best of all time. Look at the tapes from London '09 and the Australian '10. He's far quicker than most people realize but doesn't get credit. (Go ahead and delete my edits. Then I'll come back and delete yours. It'll be like a tennis match)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.63.225.6 ( talk) 19:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The article might benefit a bit from adding a link to Davydenko's schedule, especially because:
I did not find his schedule on the Web. Thanks for any ideas or info. Bo99 ( talk) 13:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but this section is completely down to someone's idea of what is a "highlight". There are no criteria defined and even if there were, it would be entirely subjective. I propose this section be removed and placed on the talk page until someone with the expertise is prepared to re-insert information into the prose. The Rambling Man ( talk) 19:41, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
You're absolutely right that you don't know what my selection criteria are. How would you? I am 100% positive it will make little or no difference to you whatever is said at the peer review, I acknowledge that already. But at least some of us are trying to achieve GA or FA. The Rambling Man ( talk) 11:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
This article contains an unhealthy amount of POV writing. The following need attention from someone with expertise in the subject matter:
Also, the prose is poor. Most of the sentences are missing an article e.g. "Finished the season with a win ..." This should be written "He finished..." or "Davydenko finished..."
Also, the career highlights section needs some attention. "Highlight" is inherently POV. Can the authors of this section define what is and what is not considered a highlight please. The Rambling Man ( talk) 06:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The very first sentence of the first section, Personal Life, seems to have had content cut out of it in one of the moves mentioned in earlier discussion.
"Davydenko was born on the belief that Russia would afford more opportunities to become a professional tennis player."
Perhaps it was - born in Ukraine but family moved based on the belief - etc. In any case it is meaningless as it stands and should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.98.127 ( talk) 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)