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I think simply Nikki and Paulo would be a more appropriate article name than Nikki Fernandez and Paulo. Sticking Nikki's last name in when grouping them together just seems awkward. What do other people think? -- DocNox 03:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, it should never have merged >.<. I backed the FA, but now it needs an FA review. And "Nikki and Paulo" is a much better name, even if we knew both their last names.~ Zythe Talk to me! 17:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment if you feel like it. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Nikki and Paulo. -- thedemonhog talk • edits 04:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Who made this pair "main characters"? They were only in a few episodes, mostly in the background, and only one episode focused on them. She even had a line — an obvious joke — about 'we all know what happens to guest stars'. Most of those listed as supporting characters have more appearances and dialogue. Off to look at that template... -- Jack Merridew 13:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this was sorted in the end. -- Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just put'em back to supporting - we'll see if it sticks. -- Jack Merridew 15:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Ultimately, there is only one criterion that matters: what is listed onscreen. Sanchez and Santoro are given starring credits. As was once pointed out, you don't give starring credits to just anyone. These decisions are carefully negotiated, as they determine the status of the actors. Viewers' subjective (and controversial!) impressions are, therefore, of secondary importance at best. Viewers' dislike of the characters is utterly and completely beside the point. Nikki and Paulo are credited as main characters, therefore they are main characters. QED. Aridd 13:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Why has no one else brought up the fact that the creators introduced flight survivors within the 'main cast' in the middle of the 3rd season? They even did a lackluster job 'trying' to link them with the rest of the survivors by having a flashback with Boone and Shannon, albeit, a great episode because Nikki and Paolo died. Sawyer even 'broke the 4th wall' in one episode asking Nikki 'Who the hell' she was. Much more interesting concepts have been introduced to the show, like the Other's living in their own civilization, but then BAM, new, random and completely obsolete for the script and story. NOTHING that they encountered has affected ANYONE on the island or the story up to this point, and it would be insanely stupid to tie them into later seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.171.208 ( talk) 05:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand how Bernard and Rose can be considered supporting characters yet Nikki and Paulo can be considered Main. It seems the simplest criteria for a main character is whether they have a flashback involving them which would include these seemingly random characters. Perhaps the spiders will have a more important part in the last season but nonetheless these characters really are less important than Bernard and Rose and I find this oversight misleading. If I watch the show I would be waiting for these two to have a "main role" I would never be satisfied. I would, however, be satisfied with Bernard and Rose. Perhaps this isn't attributable to the credits but I don't really understand how that can be the only criteria for this matter because the episode count for these two is embaressingly small.
re the caption on the picture of her - someone have a source for the specific day or just some wishful fantasising? -- Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Just tried to fix a little grammatical error, but it won't let me save because www.hubpages.com (ref #37) is a blacklisted spam link - see WP:SPB. 97198 talk 02:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I've gotten into a bit of an edit war with one of the users on this page regarding an addition I made to the page. My addition was a 'Trivia' section that states "In 2008, the band Miniature Tigers released a song titled Cannibal Queen that contains the lyrics: "If she ever left me, I would break down and die, Like Nikki and Paulo could bury me alive." My edit was originally removed because banned was deemed NN. I then created a page for Miniature Tigers (which, IMHO, verifies the band is relatively notable, especially considering the band mentions in magazines like Rolling Stone, Spin, etc.) I then re-submitted my entry, which was subsequently removed.
So, I'd like to see what other users think. IMO, the addition is entirely relevant. There are a barrage of other wiki pages with similar trivia sections. However, I am certainly open to listening to arguments against the addition. JoelWhy ( talk) 17:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Is "Paulo" really pronounced POW-law? kwami ( talk) 00:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It needs to say "Lost characters".
This depends on Template:Infobox Character, which is protected. It's not too hard to add an optional plural argument to the template. If that's not doable, then a different infobox should be used here. XpdN ( talk) 04:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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Refering to this version of the article.
I find that this article is showing its age (promoted in 2007) and does not rise to the current FA criteria. If it were put through the FA process today, it would immediately fail with just a quick glance at the sources. 9 of 44 references in this article (3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 15, 20) are to wikipedia articles on Lost episodes ( WP:CIRCULAR) - that's 20% of the sources right in the trash. Then I find gems such as number 19 (Yet Another Useless Website), number 25 (Celebritywonder.com), number 27 (rodrigo-santoro.com!!), number 29 (comingsoon.net), number 30 (losttv-forum.com), number 34 (buddytv.com), number 36 (tvsquad.com) and my personal favorite, number 42, a blatant random blog. Many of these are dead; I replaced some of them with archives before I stopped and took a wide look at the article on the whole. These are not reliable sources. These are outright unacceptable sources for an FA.
Then, there's the whole issue of this article having been promoted as an article solely on Paulo. In the FA candidacy, it was vaguely suggested that Nikki should be merged into this article, an idea that did not gather much consensus in my view. And now it's an article on both.
So I will give some time to the watchers of this page to pull the article sourcing to an acceptable standard. If no one shows interest or if the task proves to be too troubling, then I'm afraid WP: FAR will have to be considered. RetiredDuke ( talk) 14:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
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I think simply Nikki and Paulo would be a more appropriate article name than Nikki Fernandez and Paulo. Sticking Nikki's last name in when grouping them together just seems awkward. What do other people think? -- DocNox 03:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, it should never have merged >.<. I backed the FA, but now it needs an FA review. And "Nikki and Paulo" is a much better name, even if we knew both their last names.~ Zythe Talk to me! 17:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment if you feel like it. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Nikki and Paulo. -- thedemonhog talk • edits 04:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Who made this pair "main characters"? They were only in a few episodes, mostly in the background, and only one episode focused on them. She even had a line — an obvious joke — about 'we all know what happens to guest stars'. Most of those listed as supporting characters have more appearances and dialogue. Off to look at that template... -- Jack Merridew 13:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this was sorted in the end. -- Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I've just put'em back to supporting - we'll see if it sticks. -- Jack Merridew 15:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Ultimately, there is only one criterion that matters: what is listed onscreen. Sanchez and Santoro are given starring credits. As was once pointed out, you don't give starring credits to just anyone. These decisions are carefully negotiated, as they determine the status of the actors. Viewers' subjective (and controversial!) impressions are, therefore, of secondary importance at best. Viewers' dislike of the characters is utterly and completely beside the point. Nikki and Paulo are credited as main characters, therefore they are main characters. QED. Aridd 13:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Why has no one else brought up the fact that the creators introduced flight survivors within the 'main cast' in the middle of the 3rd season? They even did a lackluster job 'trying' to link them with the rest of the survivors by having a flashback with Boone and Shannon, albeit, a great episode because Nikki and Paolo died. Sawyer even 'broke the 4th wall' in one episode asking Nikki 'Who the hell' she was. Much more interesting concepts have been introduced to the show, like the Other's living in their own civilization, but then BAM, new, random and completely obsolete for the script and story. NOTHING that they encountered has affected ANYONE on the island or the story up to this point, and it would be insanely stupid to tie them into later seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.171.208 ( talk) 05:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand how Bernard and Rose can be considered supporting characters yet Nikki and Paulo can be considered Main. It seems the simplest criteria for a main character is whether they have a flashback involving them which would include these seemingly random characters. Perhaps the spiders will have a more important part in the last season but nonetheless these characters really are less important than Bernard and Rose and I find this oversight misleading. If I watch the show I would be waiting for these two to have a "main role" I would never be satisfied. I would, however, be satisfied with Bernard and Rose. Perhaps this isn't attributable to the credits but I don't really understand how that can be the only criteria for this matter because the episode count for these two is embaressingly small.
re the caption on the picture of her - someone have a source for the specific day or just some wishful fantasising? -- Jack Merridew 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Just tried to fix a little grammatical error, but it won't let me save because www.hubpages.com (ref #37) is a blacklisted spam link - see WP:SPB. 97198 talk 02:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I've gotten into a bit of an edit war with one of the users on this page regarding an addition I made to the page. My addition was a 'Trivia' section that states "In 2008, the band Miniature Tigers released a song titled Cannibal Queen that contains the lyrics: "If she ever left me, I would break down and die, Like Nikki and Paulo could bury me alive." My edit was originally removed because banned was deemed NN. I then created a page for Miniature Tigers (which, IMHO, verifies the band is relatively notable, especially considering the band mentions in magazines like Rolling Stone, Spin, etc.) I then re-submitted my entry, which was subsequently removed.
So, I'd like to see what other users think. IMO, the addition is entirely relevant. There are a barrage of other wiki pages with similar trivia sections. However, I am certainly open to listening to arguments against the addition. JoelWhy ( talk) 17:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Is "Paulo" really pronounced POW-law? kwami ( talk) 00:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
It needs to say "Lost characters".
This depends on Template:Infobox Character, which is protected. It's not too hard to add an optional plural argument to the template. If that's not doable, then a different infobox should be used here. XpdN ( talk) 04:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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I find that this article is showing its age (promoted in 2007) and does not rise to the current FA criteria. If it were put through the FA process today, it would immediately fail with just a quick glance at the sources. 9 of 44 references in this article (3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 15, 20) are to wikipedia articles on Lost episodes ( WP:CIRCULAR) - that's 20% of the sources right in the trash. Then I find gems such as number 19 (Yet Another Useless Website), number 25 (Celebritywonder.com), number 27 (rodrigo-santoro.com!!), number 29 (comingsoon.net), number 30 (losttv-forum.com), number 34 (buddytv.com), number 36 (tvsquad.com) and my personal favorite, number 42, a blatant random blog. Many of these are dead; I replaced some of them with archives before I stopped and took a wide look at the article on the whole. These are not reliable sources. These are outright unacceptable sources for an FA.
Then, there's the whole issue of this article having been promoted as an article solely on Paulo. In the FA candidacy, it was vaguely suggested that Nikki should be merged into this article, an idea that did not gather much consensus in my view. And now it's an article on both.
So I will give some time to the watchers of this page to pull the article sourcing to an acceptable standard. If no one shows interest or if the task proves to be too troubling, then I'm afraid WP: FAR will have to be considered. RetiredDuke ( talk) 14:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)