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Can anyone verify this claim? Is this vandalism or authentic? freestylefrappe 00:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Atsiz never mentioned about his own religious belief in his books or articles but as i understand from his writings he is a deist who has a deep respect in ancient Turkic belief which we call Tengriism or in a more common way Shamanism. Orhanoglu 20:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I would dispute the political neutrality of this article: it is tendentious and endeavours to validate the discredited political philosophy of MHT and similar pan-Turkist views. 86.140.127.133 18:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
12/11/1975 Is this 12 Nov or 11 Dec?
It's December 11th. Orhanoglu 20:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
The article lacked it. I removed some unnecessary sentences.
This article is more neutral than most of wikipedia's articles. I think this web community is much more tolerant to terrorists like Ocalan than writers and philosophers like Atsız.
Article is not neutral, remarks such as "Atsiz wore a Nazi style haircut and sported a Hitler moustache while advocating racist doctrines" are unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adanaturk ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Hüseyin Nihal Atsız is one of the best and most talented Turkish writers in the history. He is also the symbol of the Nationalism in Turkey. In my opinion, this article needs more addition. Turkish brothers, please enter the important datas that you know about Atsız. Deliogul 12:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Atsız was never a fascist. so fascism link is meaningless. so I removed it. I know he is in the Fascist list of wiki but every political figure, who somebody does not like, are on list anyway, regardless of their political beliefs. Isatay 04:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
What utter rubbish. Atsis was a leading figure and inspiration of the Ulkucu movement who have been proven to be a fascist organisation even down to the old straight right arm salute. Just because their political wing the MHP have entered parliament time and time again does not prove that they are not a fascist organisation but rather that a large portion of the population of Turkey suppors fascism. His writings are pure hate preaching especially against minoities. He used the Muslim religion just as German and Italian fascists have used the Church and dismissed it when it was convenient.
None of the above comments posted are ballanced, proof of this is are the comments by Delioglu calling on his Turkish 'brothers' to contribute. It just stinks of more attempts by Turks to disrupt and desrtoy any opinion that differs from their own narrow view.
Kindly explain the difference between Turkism or Turanc and Fascism. Both seek domination at the expense of minorities (in the case of Turanci the Kurds, Arabs, Armeinans, Persians, Slavs, Georgians, Greeks, Circassians etc) Anyone only has to read the definition of Turanci and its goals to see it is clear fascism and Atsiz was a leading figure in the Turkish fascist movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.234 ( talk) 10:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Nihal Atsız got prosecuted and sentenced to prison by İnonu goverment, for writing a poem that critizes and ridicules Benito Mussolini who is the founder of Fascism. (This poem can be found in his poetry book Yolların Sonu- End Of Roads, published by Otuken Publishing House). Can there be a better proof than this to prove that he was against Fascism? He also later wrote several articles against Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.113.132 ( talk) 16:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
'Dalkavuklar Gecesi' was a parody of Ataturk's reign, not Inonu.
I've reverted this edit [1], which, to me, appears to be nothing but an attempt to label this person as a racist. Your thoughts? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 23:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, guys, for finding the sources. Excellent job. Kafka Liz ( talk) 15:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think you don't know all defendants of that trial including Nihal Atsız and several other Turkish conservative intellectuals were later acquitted so that politiacally charged travesty of a trial(which İnonü goverment arranged to get sympathy from Soviet Russia by proving there is no threat from Turkey about USSR's Turkic population) can only be proof that Atsız was not a racist. And I must add, during "the trial" and imprisonment all defendants have been repeatedly tortured by the police. Later, Atsız sued his torturers and got them convicted.
You should also know that, before and during W.W.II, Nihal Atsız got prosecuted and sentenced to prison by the same İnonu goverment, this time for writing a poem that critizes and ridicules Benito Mussolini. (This poem can be found in his poetry book Yolların Sonu- End Of Roads, published by Otuken Publishing House). He also later wrote several articles against Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.184.207 ( talk) 18:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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Can anyone verify this claim? Is this vandalism or authentic? freestylefrappe 00:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Atsiz never mentioned about his own religious belief in his books or articles but as i understand from his writings he is a deist who has a deep respect in ancient Turkic belief which we call Tengriism or in a more common way Shamanism. Orhanoglu 20:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I would dispute the political neutrality of this article: it is tendentious and endeavours to validate the discredited political philosophy of MHT and similar pan-Turkist views. 86.140.127.133 18:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
12/11/1975 Is this 12 Nov or 11 Dec?
It's December 11th. Orhanoglu 20:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
The article lacked it. I removed some unnecessary sentences.
This article is more neutral than most of wikipedia's articles. I think this web community is much more tolerant to terrorists like Ocalan than writers and philosophers like Atsız.
Article is not neutral, remarks such as "Atsiz wore a Nazi style haircut and sported a Hitler moustache while advocating racist doctrines" are unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adanaturk ( talk • contribs) 01:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Hüseyin Nihal Atsız is one of the best and most talented Turkish writers in the history. He is also the symbol of the Nationalism in Turkey. In my opinion, this article needs more addition. Turkish brothers, please enter the important datas that you know about Atsız. Deliogul 12:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Atsız was never a fascist. so fascism link is meaningless. so I removed it. I know he is in the Fascist list of wiki but every political figure, who somebody does not like, are on list anyway, regardless of their political beliefs. Isatay 04:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
What utter rubbish. Atsis was a leading figure and inspiration of the Ulkucu movement who have been proven to be a fascist organisation even down to the old straight right arm salute. Just because their political wing the MHP have entered parliament time and time again does not prove that they are not a fascist organisation but rather that a large portion of the population of Turkey suppors fascism. His writings are pure hate preaching especially against minoities. He used the Muslim religion just as German and Italian fascists have used the Church and dismissed it when it was convenient.
None of the above comments posted are ballanced, proof of this is are the comments by Delioglu calling on his Turkish 'brothers' to contribute. It just stinks of more attempts by Turks to disrupt and desrtoy any opinion that differs from their own narrow view.
Kindly explain the difference between Turkism or Turanc and Fascism. Both seek domination at the expense of minorities (in the case of Turanci the Kurds, Arabs, Armeinans, Persians, Slavs, Georgians, Greeks, Circassians etc) Anyone only has to read the definition of Turanci and its goals to see it is clear fascism and Atsiz was a leading figure in the Turkish fascist movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.234 ( talk) 10:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Nihal Atsız got prosecuted and sentenced to prison by İnonu goverment, for writing a poem that critizes and ridicules Benito Mussolini who is the founder of Fascism. (This poem can be found in his poetry book Yolların Sonu- End Of Roads, published by Otuken Publishing House). Can there be a better proof than this to prove that he was against Fascism? He also later wrote several articles against Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.113.132 ( talk) 16:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
'Dalkavuklar Gecesi' was a parody of Ataturk's reign, not Inonu.
I've reverted this edit [1], which, to me, appears to be nothing but an attempt to label this person as a racist. Your thoughts? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 23:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, guys, for finding the sources. Excellent job. Kafka Liz ( talk) 15:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think you don't know all defendants of that trial including Nihal Atsız and several other Turkish conservative intellectuals were later acquitted so that politiacally charged travesty of a trial(which İnonü goverment arranged to get sympathy from Soviet Russia by proving there is no threat from Turkey about USSR's Turkic population) can only be proof that Atsız was not a racist. And I must add, during "the trial" and imprisonment all defendants have been repeatedly tortured by the police. Later, Atsız sued his torturers and got them convicted.
You should also know that, before and during W.W.II, Nihal Atsız got prosecuted and sentenced to prison by the same İnonu goverment, this time for writing a poem that critizes and ridicules Benito Mussolini. (This poem can be found in his poetry book Yolların Sonu- End Of Roads, published by Otuken Publishing House). He also later wrote several articles against Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.184.207 ( talk) 18:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)