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This article is useless. It's just a transcription from all the other N buses page. There is nothing unique in it. All it needs to be is a simple heading with a list of N buses. Ronhjones (Talk) 22:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made an edit to the N2 section, to demonstrate how I feel the separate sections of the article should be structured. Not using the = syntax for the subheadings has the benefit of not showing in the table of contents (which is already too long). But this goes against WP:MOS, but I feel this can be justified under WP:IAR. I thought given the circumstances I should put this up for discussion before rolling it out on the entire article. Jenuk1985 | Talk 23:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Where's the N44? Alexs ( talk) 20:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
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Reason: This article is over 200 kilobytes long. Make an article for each Night Bus, with images.
Several of the refs seem to lead to a self published page 'Alan Gryfe', or nowhere. SovalValtos ( talk) 10:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
So it seems that I can't do sources for updating the frequencies of the buses. I used londonbusroutes.net, but apparently that's not a good enough source, so put down tfl.gov.uk if you want even though it is a lot harder to use. Where should I put the sources when I edit them? The frequencies are not currently referenced so I assume that's not what I should do, so what do you want me to do?!? Higthomas ( talk) 16:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
So, you'd rather we just leave the page with incorrect frequencies? As was discussed here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Buses/UK_bus_route_quality_drive#Don.27t_Mention_the_Frequency.3F frequency is a major difference between bus routes. The N29 is very different from let's say the N551 because it has crazy frequencies. So given that the general consensus for the whole topic is that frequency is an important part of a bus route might someone please answer my question rather than just allowing wikipedia to be incorrect because I can't quite format my sources iun the right way Higthomas ( talk) 19:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I gather it has no legel force on Wikipedia, but given that WP:NOT doesn't really describe in great detail what not being a travel guide actually means, you saying it's not a travel guide so we shouldn't include frequencies is just your interpretation and so holds as much weight as mine, which is that including frequencies doesn't make us a travel guide. So, given it's currently just a me vs you debate I think going back to the last consensus on the topic makes sense. And that sides with me. Higthomas ( talk) 19:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, I dont see the N13 194.202.213.12 ( talk) 16:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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User:Charlesdrakew removed a recent edit involving addition of the N65 bus which recently split from the 65. While this edit isn't directly sourced, it can be found directly on the TFL website
[1]. I don't believe it's practical to tag every single route with a primary source from TFL, this ends up turning the article into a giant bus guide. The least we can do is provide an external link to the buses portal
[2] in the appropriate section.
In my honest opinion, this entire article is surplus to requirements and should be redirected back to
List of bus routes in London.
Ajf773 (
talk)
21:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, there was sentiment in the latest AFD for removal of some bus-route specific information in this list-article and for other editing, and also sentiment for moving it back to the title " Night buses in London" (from which it was moved in 2009). Perhaps some progress could be made here by editors actually interested in coverage of the topic "night buses in London". I myself believe that such topic is interesting and important, and that the article should be developed particularly about its cultural importance and coverage in art, discussed somewhat in the AFD. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. There's enough agreement here about changing the title of the article, but some disagreement about what that article should contain. This close should not be taken as an endorsement of any particular course of action regarding the contents of the article, which should be discussed separately. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 03:09, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
List of night buses in London →
Night buses in London – The article is more than just a list like
List of London bus routes, at least in its fully cited form
[3], the latter having only has 4 columns of information; number, start, end, operator with no historical content. These was some recent discussion on renaming the article at an
AfD and a follow up discussion on the
article's talk page, but probably not enough opinions expressed for a quorum. Pinging
@Doncram and
@Ajf773 who previously expressed an opinion on the latter.
Toweplus (
talk) 11:53, 7 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.
Steel1943 (
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02:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The infoboxes were removed in 2017. Recently there was an attempt to recreate full infoboxes for every single bus route, although those edits have since been reverted. I wish to reaffirm my opinion that the infoboxes should be kept off the article. They are not for list articles. Furthermore Wikipedia is not a travel guide and I cannot stress this enough. Ajf773 ( talk) 18:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Support having infoboxes. This article is the same as the day time routes that alll have infoboxes, but all rolled into one article. Morteinmeil ( talk) 06:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Pedroperezhumberto: you've created a ref named ":6", but haven't supplied a definition for that ref. -- Fyrael ( talk) 04:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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This article is useless. It's just a transcription from all the other N buses page. There is nothing unique in it. All it needs to be is a simple heading with a list of N buses. Ronhjones (Talk) 22:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I have made an edit to the N2 section, to demonstrate how I feel the separate sections of the article should be structured. Not using the = syntax for the subheadings has the benefit of not showing in the table of contents (which is already too long). But this goes against WP:MOS, but I feel this can be justified under WP:IAR. I thought given the circumstances I should put this up for discussion before rolling it out on the entire article. Jenuk1985 | Talk 23:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Where's the N44? Alexs ( talk) 20:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
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Reason: This article is over 200 kilobytes long. Make an article for each Night Bus, with images.
Several of the refs seem to lead to a self published page 'Alan Gryfe', or nowhere. SovalValtos ( talk) 10:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
So it seems that I can't do sources for updating the frequencies of the buses. I used londonbusroutes.net, but apparently that's not a good enough source, so put down tfl.gov.uk if you want even though it is a lot harder to use. Where should I put the sources when I edit them? The frequencies are not currently referenced so I assume that's not what I should do, so what do you want me to do?!? Higthomas ( talk) 16:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
So, you'd rather we just leave the page with incorrect frequencies? As was discussed here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Buses/UK_bus_route_quality_drive#Don.27t_Mention_the_Frequency.3F frequency is a major difference between bus routes. The N29 is very different from let's say the N551 because it has crazy frequencies. So given that the general consensus for the whole topic is that frequency is an important part of a bus route might someone please answer my question rather than just allowing wikipedia to be incorrect because I can't quite format my sources iun the right way Higthomas ( talk) 19:18, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I gather it has no legel force on Wikipedia, but given that WP:NOT doesn't really describe in great detail what not being a travel guide actually means, you saying it's not a travel guide so we shouldn't include frequencies is just your interpretation and so holds as much weight as mine, which is that including frequencies doesn't make us a travel guide. So, given it's currently just a me vs you debate I think going back to the last consensus on the topic makes sense. And that sides with me. Higthomas ( talk) 19:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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User:Charlesdrakew removed a recent edit involving addition of the N65 bus which recently split from the 65. While this edit isn't directly sourced, it can be found directly on the TFL website
[1]. I don't believe it's practical to tag every single route with a primary source from TFL, this ends up turning the article into a giant bus guide. The least we can do is provide an external link to the buses portal
[2] in the appropriate section.
In my honest opinion, this entire article is surplus to requirements and should be redirected back to
List of bus routes in London.
Ajf773 (
talk)
21:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, there was sentiment in the latest AFD for removal of some bus-route specific information in this list-article and for other editing, and also sentiment for moving it back to the title " Night buses in London" (from which it was moved in 2009). Perhaps some progress could be made here by editors actually interested in coverage of the topic "night buses in London". I myself believe that such topic is interesting and important, and that the article should be developed particularly about its cultural importance and coverage in art, discussed somewhat in the AFD. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. There's enough agreement here about changing the title of the article, but some disagreement about what that article should contain. This close should not be taken as an endorsement of any particular course of action regarding the contents of the article, which should be discussed separately. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 03:09, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
List of night buses in London →
Night buses in London – The article is more than just a list like
List of London bus routes, at least in its fully cited form
[3], the latter having only has 4 columns of information; number, start, end, operator with no historical content. These was some recent discussion on renaming the article at an
AfD and a follow up discussion on the
article's talk page, but probably not enough opinions expressed for a quorum. Pinging
@Doncram and
@Ajf773 who previously expressed an opinion on the latter.
Toweplus (
talk) 11:53, 7 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.
Steel1943 (
talk)
02:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
The infoboxes were removed in 2017. Recently there was an attempt to recreate full infoboxes for every single bus route, although those edits have since been reverted. I wish to reaffirm my opinion that the infoboxes should be kept off the article. They are not for list articles. Furthermore Wikipedia is not a travel guide and I cannot stress this enough. Ajf773 ( talk) 18:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Support having infoboxes. This article is the same as the day time routes that alll have infoboxes, but all rolled into one article. Morteinmeil ( talk) 06:10, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Pedroperezhumberto: you've created a ref named ":6", but haven't supplied a definition for that ref. -- Fyrael ( talk) 04:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)