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There's a line in the article that states that Night Trap was banned in the UK. This was never the case, Night Trap was never banned in the UK. The line in question also has a reference to GamerPro (Jan 1995), I've found the magazine in question and the text is a bit confused, its states "...it will also be re-released in the UK, where it was previously banned with a 15-17 rating.", there are a number of things wrong with this.
I can't find any other sources to back up the "banned in the UK" claim, all the other sources and evidence point to it being wrong. If we believe that it was banned, somehow, a rated game was banned and this banned game managed to make it to the top of the sales charts and stay there for months.
I'm going to remove the line and its reference as its obviously the journalist getting the wrong end of the stick. - X201 ( talk) 11:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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With a 25th anniversary re-release just announced for this game, anyone interested in pushing for GA status? I may put some work towards the page. TarkusAB 20:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
An IP user has added Screaming Villains in the developer section of the infobox a number of times. Each time it has been removed by myself or other editors. To explain the situation for the IP user. We have set rules about which developers appear in the infobox, developers of re-releases only appear in the infobox if the game has MAJOR differences from the game when it was originally released. I can't find any source that states that the Screaming Villains version of this game changes the gameplay, adds content or presents the game in a efferent way. Without a reliable source that states this, it can't go in the infobox. - X201 ( talk) 07:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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Fake vampires, Dana Plato, and Congressional outrage. What's not to like? Happy to tackle perhaps the most infamous FMV game of all time!
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Alright, I have read the article and made a number of changes for grammar, mechanics, and flow. Overall, the article is in fantastic shape, and I only have three additional points I would like to see addressed:
Done*In his The Ultimate History of Video Games, Steven Kent interviews Tom Zito about his work on NEMO and the FMV games. Most of this is not relevant to Night Trap specifically, but the book does reveal that Zito originally wanted to make a horror game tie-in with the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise and only hired Terry McDonell to pen the original script that became Night Trap when that deal fell through.
Done*As written, the article implies that Zito established Digital Pictures immediately after Hasbro nixed the NEMO project. In truth, Zito only established the company after he learned from former Isix employee Ken Melville that Sony was sniffing around Sewer Shark for release on the forthcoming Nintendo CD-ROM unit. This story is also recounted in The Ultimate History of Video Games.
Done*I don't really like the name or placement of the "Controversy" section. The section is really just about the Congressional hearings and their fallout, so should be titled to reflect this fact rather than with such a generic name. Also, this feels like a part of the history of the game rather than reception to it, which is generally just reserved for reviews and retrospectives. I would move this out of and ahead of the reception material.
And that's it. I anticipate no difficulty in resolving these relatively minor issues, so will place this review
On hold while my concerns are addressed.
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14:30, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Just chipping in on Indrian's last point, the the Congressional hearings section needs a small indicator that the problem was only in America and that the game was released without any fuss in the rest of the world. To balance the section and get a whole world view. - X201 ( talk) 15:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Alright, everything is looking good to my eyes. Let's get this sucker promoted. Well done! Indrian ( talk) 01:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Figure it's better to have a conversation here rather than in edit summaries. Just want to explain what's going on with my recent edits: The summary section of the article is quite long and has a lot of technical details in it that are not all that important to understanding the overall notability of this game. And all of the information in the summary is (or can be) properly stated and cited in the appropriate sections below on gameplay, production and reception.
I question whether it's actually all that important to put in the summary that all the filming was done in 1987, for example - how does that establish notability? I agree it's important to discuss how Night Trap grew out of a prototype with a similar premise used specifically to obtain funding from Hasbro - that's core to its notability. But unless the WikiProject's standards have changed significantly in the last couple of years, my understanding was that we should still try to keep the summary as lean as possible and relegate non-essential details to the appropriate article sections.
For disclosure: I am the son of one of the lead developers on this game. I know almost as well as anyone about most of its development history. Not trying to use that as a "one-up" or anything - just mentioning it in case there was any concern that I'm just a random joe who came here to try to vandalize anything. Thanks. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 18:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
the Plot section ( /info/en/?search=Night_Trap#Plot ) includes:
"What the gang does not know is the house is infested with Augers, vampiric beings that need blood to survive. The Martin family themselves are in the process of becoming vampires. "
But this doesn't seem to follow the actual plot present in the game. The Martin family members seem to be pretty well depicted as being vampires outright, or something similar, and not making any sort of transformation. There's multiple hints and context clues given to the audience/player that the family is ageless or immortal (or much older than the appear to be).
Kelly (Plato's character) outright tells the control team she thinks the family is literally vampires later in the game.
There's also dialog that explains the Augers aren't vampires, but a different (albeit related) sort of creature altogether. I don't think it was cited in older edits of the article, but it did come up previously in a (now archived) portion of the talk section. /info/en/?search=Talk:Night_Trap/Archive_1#YouTube_link
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Watch the playthrough video. When the game clock reaches 17 minutes Plato's character says, "I think these might be vampires we're up against here." She and the others also call them Augs and Augers. There's also some dialogue in the video at the 22-minute mark, including:
"What is an Auger?"
"A vampire victim who's been half-bled and left there to die."
"The poor creatures have just enough blood to survive, but not enough to become vampires."
"Vampires, you gotta be jivin' me! Let's cuff these freaks and drag 'em downtown!"
--jh51681 23:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[/quote] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kool kitty89 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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There's a line in the article that states that Night Trap was banned in the UK. This was never the case, Night Trap was never banned in the UK. The line in question also has a reference to GamerPro (Jan 1995), I've found the magazine in question and the text is a bit confused, its states "...it will also be re-released in the UK, where it was previously banned with a 15-17 rating.", there are a number of things wrong with this.
I can't find any other sources to back up the "banned in the UK" claim, all the other sources and evidence point to it being wrong. If we believe that it was banned, somehow, a rated game was banned and this banned game managed to make it to the top of the sales charts and stay there for months.
I'm going to remove the line and its reference as its obviously the journalist getting the wrong end of the stick. - X201 ( talk) 11:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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With a 25th anniversary re-release just announced for this game, anyone interested in pushing for GA status? I may put some work towards the page. TarkusAB 20:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
An IP user has added Screaming Villains in the developer section of the infobox a number of times. Each time it has been removed by myself or other editors. To explain the situation for the IP user. We have set rules about which developers appear in the infobox, developers of re-releases only appear in the infobox if the game has MAJOR differences from the game when it was originally released. I can't find any source that states that the Screaming Villains version of this game changes the gameplay, adds content or presents the game in a efferent way. Without a reliable source that states this, it can't go in the infobox. - X201 ( talk) 07:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Indrian ( talk · contribs) 00:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Fake vampires, Dana Plato, and Congressional outrage. What's not to like? Happy to tackle perhaps the most infamous FMV game of all time!
Indrian (
talk)
00:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Alright, I have read the article and made a number of changes for grammar, mechanics, and flow. Overall, the article is in fantastic shape, and I only have three additional points I would like to see addressed:
Done*In his The Ultimate History of Video Games, Steven Kent interviews Tom Zito about his work on NEMO and the FMV games. Most of this is not relevant to Night Trap specifically, but the book does reveal that Zito originally wanted to make a horror game tie-in with the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise and only hired Terry McDonell to pen the original script that became Night Trap when that deal fell through.
Done*As written, the article implies that Zito established Digital Pictures immediately after Hasbro nixed the NEMO project. In truth, Zito only established the company after he learned from former Isix employee Ken Melville that Sony was sniffing around Sewer Shark for release on the forthcoming Nintendo CD-ROM unit. This story is also recounted in The Ultimate History of Video Games.
Done*I don't really like the name or placement of the "Controversy" section. The section is really just about the Congressional hearings and their fallout, so should be titled to reflect this fact rather than with such a generic name. Also, this feels like a part of the history of the game rather than reception to it, which is generally just reserved for reviews and retrospectives. I would move this out of and ahead of the reception material.
And that's it. I anticipate no difficulty in resolving these relatively minor issues, so will place this review
On hold while my concerns are addressed.
Indrian (
talk)
14:30, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Just chipping in on Indrian's last point, the the Congressional hearings section needs a small indicator that the problem was only in America and that the game was released without any fuss in the rest of the world. To balance the section and get a whole world view. - X201 ( talk) 15:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Alright, everything is looking good to my eyes. Let's get this sucker promoted. Well done! Indrian ( talk) 01:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Figure it's better to have a conversation here rather than in edit summaries. Just want to explain what's going on with my recent edits: The summary section of the article is quite long and has a lot of technical details in it that are not all that important to understanding the overall notability of this game. And all of the information in the summary is (or can be) properly stated and cited in the appropriate sections below on gameplay, production and reception.
I question whether it's actually all that important to put in the summary that all the filming was done in 1987, for example - how does that establish notability? I agree it's important to discuss how Night Trap grew out of a prototype with a similar premise used specifically to obtain funding from Hasbro - that's core to its notability. But unless the WikiProject's standards have changed significantly in the last couple of years, my understanding was that we should still try to keep the summary as lean as possible and relegate non-essential details to the appropriate article sections.
For disclosure: I am the son of one of the lead developers on this game. I know almost as well as anyone about most of its development history. Not trying to use that as a "one-up" or anything - just mentioning it in case there was any concern that I'm just a random joe who came here to try to vandalize anything. Thanks. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 18:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
the Plot section ( /info/en/?search=Night_Trap#Plot ) includes:
"What the gang does not know is the house is infested with Augers, vampiric beings that need blood to survive. The Martin family themselves are in the process of becoming vampires. "
But this doesn't seem to follow the actual plot present in the game. The Martin family members seem to be pretty well depicted as being vampires outright, or something similar, and not making any sort of transformation. There's multiple hints and context clues given to the audience/player that the family is ageless or immortal (or much older than the appear to be).
Kelly (Plato's character) outright tells the control team she thinks the family is literally vampires later in the game.
There's also dialog that explains the Augers aren't vampires, but a different (albeit related) sort of creature altogether. I don't think it was cited in older edits of the article, but it did come up previously in a (now archived) portion of the talk section. /info/en/?search=Talk:Night_Trap/Archive_1#YouTube_link
[quote]
Watch the playthrough video. When the game clock reaches 17 minutes Plato's character says, "I think these might be vampires we're up against here." She and the others also call them Augs and Augers. There's also some dialogue in the video at the 22-minute mark, including:
"What is an Auger?"
"A vampire victim who's been half-bled and left there to die."
"The poor creatures have just enough blood to survive, but not enough to become vampires."
"Vampires, you gotta be jivin' me! Let's cuff these freaks and drag 'em downtown!"
--jh51681 23:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[/quote] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kool kitty89 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)