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The biography says that the civilian grade SEO (Senior Executive Officer) is equivalent to Lieutenant-Colonel. This is nonsense. The grade SEO is at most equivalent to a Sergeant in the armed forces, if that. More likely a senior corporal/warrant officer. No way on earth is an SEO equivalent to a Lt.Col in the army - an officer commanding hundreds of others in combat! An SEO would never, ever, have more than a small roomful of people under his "command" and usually he would only directly command 3 or 4! ~ ~ Paul Murphy (ex civil-servant!) ~ ~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.178.158 ( talk • contribs)
h MOD Manual 9 (I think) gives equivalent grades for civilians and military staff, based, I think, on messing arrangements, not the number of people one might manage or command. There is an equivalence, and SEO (now C1) is roughly equivalent to Lt. Colonel, Commander RN and Wing Commander RAF. B2 is Colonel, B1 Brigadier etc. Jas 00:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any evidence for Pope's assertions? Everything I've heard him say has been unsubstantiated. I suggest that any evidence be brought forward otherwise there's a risk he might be seen as just another conspiracy theorist. Jas 00:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article claims that he worked for the MOD. I understand this is true. If this is true, then he was not an operative in MI5 (now called BSS) or MI6 (properly SIS), as BBS is owned by the Home Office and SIS by the Foreign Office.MOD employees are sometimes seconded and if this was the case, then this should be stated. Many people work for the MOD and they cannot discuss their work - but this does not mean they are "operatives" or are involved in some sneaky conspiracy. If there is some EVIDENCE, then bring this forward. The claims in the article are unsubstantiated and appear to be fanciful conjecture. Next, we will hear that the Tooth Fairy has invaded Slough, but there's no evidence this is true because it's been covered up, this lack of evidence proving the truth of said Tooth Fairy assertion. Jas ( talk) 09:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
While recording the Sahara dust going over PR , from the town of Fajardo. There was an image of an UFO. Jocruz60 ( talk) 16:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 08:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw this was up for deletion a few days ago and was speedy kept - which looks fair enough as he does appear to be notable, but the article is in a state of disarray, needs many references and from reliable sources - the 'book reviews' all seem to be from http://changingthetimes.alternatehistory.com/book_reviews.htm, which I'm not sure is anything more than a personal website dedicated to reviewing 'alternate history' (shorely alternative history? or just every other history?). I understand ufology is quite a specialist subject, but this article needs a lot of improvement... Richard Hock ( talk) 14:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I've attempted a complete rewrite of this entry to correct multiple issues, most of which have been pointed out above. The new version is more concise, gives less emphasis to Pope's books, removes obscure/irrelevant material and gives less weight to internet-only sources and more to material from sites like the BBC. I'm also about to include a photograph, as there's a note on Pope's website that states "All material on this website may be freely used for non-commercial purposes. No prior permission is necessary". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.231.97 ( talk) 08:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I also changed the name to Nick Pope. Accuracy and consistency - Pope has never referred to himself in writing or in any of his media interviews as Nicholas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.59.55 ( talk) 18:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
This page appears to be in need of updating. I'll see what I can do with it. Perhaps I can even find a suitable image to add. If anyone has information or concerns, please post them here and I'll take them on board. Valis55 ( talk) 04:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Ref Updating. In 2011 Mr Pope married an American Lady and moved to live in the U.S.A. and now divides his time between his homes in California and Arizona.
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The MOD did not have a "UFO Desk Officer". The MOD simply stopped investigating UFO's - that was not because Pope resigned three years earlier, despite the misleading statement that "He resigned in 2006 and in 2009 MoD announced that UFO sightings would no longer be investigated". 125.237.105.102 ( talk) 09:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Pope's MoD career lasted from 1985 to 2006 - when he resigned. His time on the UFO project/UFO desk (or whatever terminology people want to use) was 1991 to 1994. So as the above comment correctly illustrates, Pope's resignation was not connected to the MoD's later (2009) decision to discontinue investigating UFO sightings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.165.29 ( talk) 07:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Is there any viable source confirming the times from 1985 to 1993 and 1995 to 2006 ? Refernce 2 is only confirming that he worked there from 91 to 94. -- 91.119.176.108 ( talk) 10:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
The current version of the article begins with the sentence: "Nick Pope (born 19 September 1965) is a freelance British journalist and media commentator. He was an employee at the British Government's Ministry of Defence (MoD) from 1985 to 2006 and is best known for a role he undertook for the British Government from 1991 to 1994 which involved investigating reports of UFO sightings to determine their defence significance.[1]" This makes it sound as if Mr. Pope's sole responsibility was to investigate UFOs. However, if you look at the reference what it says in relation to Mr. Pope is: " From 1991 to 1994 Mr. Pope worked as a civil servant within Secretariat (air staff). He undertook a wide range of secretariat tasks relating to central policy, political and parliamentary aspects of non-operational RAF activity. Part of his duties related to the investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena reported to the Department to see if they had any defense significance." I'm going to make a minor change to make the sentence consistent with the reference, making it clear that UFOs were only part of his responsibility. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 02:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a tag on this article indicating it needs cleanup. It's not clear specifically what the tag was referring to but as I looked through the talk page I identified a few minor issues where the claims didn't quite seem to match what was described in the sources. I've edited the article to make it consistent with the references. I'm going to remove the tag now that I've made those changes. If anyone adds a tag back please either use a more specific tag or document on the talk page what specific issues you think remain with this article. Thanks. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 03:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Considering Mr. Pope seems to be more of a commentator than a journalist, and therefore it would be more correct to update the order of the job titles to read as follows: Nick Pope (born 19 September 1965) is a media commentator, freelance British journalist, and former civil servant. WP:UNDUE Prominence of Placement Writethisway ( talk) 00:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Contact me regarding close siting 21st Dec 2021 7 people I know witnessed. Telepathic . CMcLean 55 Roxburgh Street Kelso 51.6.0.145 ( talk) 16:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Sir! I like you . You make sence on the telly and it helps my headache. big mars attaked and the comptomater of adeana henson sais dont grow old James and i will never be rich! But father JOHN OF baptised with a pressie for my crown bollaks by jove its beefe we eat ta.QUEEN LOVES winnie and fred and chun they chukkle with winn and she a good aunt but auntie flow from the john said the wealthiest manalive is with all his freinds and family , anyway linda aqnd john can rest now thanks to eye and my good self oh and me! Have you met my half brother michael henson his middle names michael. kind regards juxtaposedrose@hotmail.co.uk 194.74.71.132 ( talk) 14:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Please email think have evidence Vilgax82 ( talk) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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The biography says that the civilian grade SEO (Senior Executive Officer) is equivalent to Lieutenant-Colonel. This is nonsense. The grade SEO is at most equivalent to a Sergeant in the armed forces, if that. More likely a senior corporal/warrant officer. No way on earth is an SEO equivalent to a Lt.Col in the army - an officer commanding hundreds of others in combat! An SEO would never, ever, have more than a small roomful of people under his "command" and usually he would only directly command 3 or 4! ~ ~ Paul Murphy (ex civil-servant!) ~ ~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.178.158 ( talk • contribs)
h MOD Manual 9 (I think) gives equivalent grades for civilians and military staff, based, I think, on messing arrangements, not the number of people one might manage or command. There is an equivalence, and SEO (now C1) is roughly equivalent to Lt. Colonel, Commander RN and Wing Commander RAF. B2 is Colonel, B1 Brigadier etc. Jas 00:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:OperationThunderChild.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 23:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there any evidence for Pope's assertions? Everything I've heard him say has been unsubstantiated. I suggest that any evidence be brought forward otherwise there's a risk he might be seen as just another conspiracy theorist. Jas 00:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article claims that he worked for the MOD. I understand this is true. If this is true, then he was not an operative in MI5 (now called BSS) or MI6 (properly SIS), as BBS is owned by the Home Office and SIS by the Foreign Office.MOD employees are sometimes seconded and if this was the case, then this should be stated. Many people work for the MOD and they cannot discuss their work - but this does not mean they are "operatives" or are involved in some sneaky conspiracy. If there is some EVIDENCE, then bring this forward. The claims in the article are unsubstantiated and appear to be fanciful conjecture. Next, we will hear that the Tooth Fairy has invaded Slough, but there's no evidence this is true because it's been covered up, this lack of evidence proving the truth of said Tooth Fairy assertion. Jas ( talk) 09:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
While recording the Sahara dust going over PR , from the town of Fajardo. There was an image of an UFO. Jocruz60 ( talk) 16:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton ( talk) 08:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw this was up for deletion a few days ago and was speedy kept - which looks fair enough as he does appear to be notable, but the article is in a state of disarray, needs many references and from reliable sources - the 'book reviews' all seem to be from http://changingthetimes.alternatehistory.com/book_reviews.htm, which I'm not sure is anything more than a personal website dedicated to reviewing 'alternate history' (shorely alternative history? or just every other history?). I understand ufology is quite a specialist subject, but this article needs a lot of improvement... Richard Hock ( talk) 14:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
I've attempted a complete rewrite of this entry to correct multiple issues, most of which have been pointed out above. The new version is more concise, gives less emphasis to Pope's books, removes obscure/irrelevant material and gives less weight to internet-only sources and more to material from sites like the BBC. I'm also about to include a photograph, as there's a note on Pope's website that states "All material on this website may be freely used for non-commercial purposes. No prior permission is necessary". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.231.97 ( talk) 08:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I also changed the name to Nick Pope. Accuracy and consistency - Pope has never referred to himself in writing or in any of his media interviews as Nicholas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.59.55 ( talk) 18:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
This page appears to be in need of updating. I'll see what I can do with it. Perhaps I can even find a suitable image to add. If anyone has information or concerns, please post them here and I'll take them on board. Valis55 ( talk) 04:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Ref Updating. In 2011 Mr Pope married an American Lady and moved to live in the U.S.A. and now divides his time between his homes in California and Arizona.
Johnwrd (
talk)
18:58, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
The MOD did not have a "UFO Desk Officer". The MOD simply stopped investigating UFO's - that was not because Pope resigned three years earlier, despite the misleading statement that "He resigned in 2006 and in 2009 MoD announced that UFO sightings would no longer be investigated". 125.237.105.102 ( talk) 09:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, Pope's MoD career lasted from 1985 to 2006 - when he resigned. His time on the UFO project/UFO desk (or whatever terminology people want to use) was 1991 to 1994. So as the above comment correctly illustrates, Pope's resignation was not connected to the MoD's later (2009) decision to discontinue investigating UFO sightings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.165.29 ( talk) 07:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Is there any viable source confirming the times from 1985 to 1993 and 1995 to 2006 ? Refernce 2 is only confirming that he worked there from 91 to 94. -- 91.119.176.108 ( talk) 10:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
The current version of the article begins with the sentence: "Nick Pope (born 19 September 1965) is a freelance British journalist and media commentator. He was an employee at the British Government's Ministry of Defence (MoD) from 1985 to 2006 and is best known for a role he undertook for the British Government from 1991 to 1994 which involved investigating reports of UFO sightings to determine their defence significance.[1]" This makes it sound as if Mr. Pope's sole responsibility was to investigate UFOs. However, if you look at the reference what it says in relation to Mr. Pope is: " From 1991 to 1994 Mr. Pope worked as a civil servant within Secretariat (air staff). He undertook a wide range of secretariat tasks relating to central policy, political and parliamentary aspects of non-operational RAF activity. Part of his duties related to the investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena reported to the Department to see if they had any defense significance." I'm going to make a minor change to make the sentence consistent with the reference, making it clear that UFOs were only part of his responsibility. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 02:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a tag on this article indicating it needs cleanup. It's not clear specifically what the tag was referring to but as I looked through the talk page I identified a few minor issues where the claims didn't quite seem to match what was described in the sources. I've edited the article to make it consistent with the references. I'm going to remove the tag now that I've made those changes. If anyone adds a tag back please either use a more specific tag or document on the talk page what specific issues you think remain with this article. Thanks. -- MadScientistX11 ( talk) 03:53, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Considering Mr. Pope seems to be more of a commentator than a journalist, and therefore it would be more correct to update the order of the job titles to read as follows: Nick Pope (born 19 September 1965) is a media commentator, freelance British journalist, and former civil servant. WP:UNDUE Prominence of Placement Writethisway ( talk) 00:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Contact me regarding close siting 21st Dec 2021 7 people I know witnessed. Telepathic . CMcLean 55 Roxburgh Street Kelso 51.6.0.145 ( talk) 16:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Sir! I like you . You make sence on the telly and it helps my headache. big mars attaked and the comptomater of adeana henson sais dont grow old James and i will never be rich! But father JOHN OF baptised with a pressie for my crown bollaks by jove its beefe we eat ta.QUEEN LOVES winnie and fred and chun they chukkle with winn and she a good aunt but auntie flow from the john said the wealthiest manalive is with all his freinds and family , anyway linda aqnd john can rest now thanks to eye and my good self oh and me! Have you met my half brother michael henson his middle names michael. kind regards juxtaposedrose@hotmail.co.uk 194.74.71.132 ( talk) 14:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Please email think have evidence Vilgax82 ( talk) 04:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)