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There have been a lot of edit changed to the description of Kyrgios' mother, specifically about whether to call her "Malaysian" or "half-Malasyan". For his father, both "Greek" and "Greek-Australian" have been used. So it might be worth a discussion to sort it out a bit.
First, there is a difference between describing the ethnicity of his parents and their nationality. They are both Australian citizens who were born in other countries before coming to Australia. So their original nationalities are Malaysian and Greek, but their current nationality is just Australian.
Second, if the intention is to describe his mother's ethnicity, not her nationality, then "Malaysian" won't do the job. Malaysia is a country composed of a variety of different ethnic groups, none of which are called "Malaysian". So to refer to his mother's ethnicity a source would be needed that specifies which Malaysian ethnic group she belongs to. I have not seen any source that does that, so unless someone can find one that specifies, we cannot include any claim about her ethnicity at all.
Third, with regard to his father's ethnicity, "Greek" both describes a nationality and an ethnicity. One might think that "Greek-Australian" also describes an ethnicity, but that seems more a description of a person born and raised in Australia to ethnically Greek parents, not a Greek person who then moves to Australia.
In the absence of better sourcing for any other claims people might want to include, it does seem clear from sources that Kyrgios' father was born in Greece and his mother was born in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur, to be more specific). So I would suggest that the description of them in the article should say "Greek born" and "Malaysian born". These are indisputable facts that indicate their national origin and tell us about as much as we can verify about their ethnicity. 99.192.83.52 ( talk) 12:13, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
could you please reply more succinctly because it becomes very arduous to follow and respond to your points when they are so long.
1st i am quite insulted that you accuse me of being a racist. did i ever state that i was in support of the malay seeing themselves as the only true residents of malaysia? no. i was merely stating a reality that exists on the ground. so please don't make insulting insinuations.
this argument seems to be quite circular, so i just have a simple question: why did nick's manager state half for? you say that everyone else describes him as just plain malaysian, so why this different, seemingly unnecessary, description? put simply, his manager wouldn't use such a word if it wasn't true. & since this is the most detailed description of his identity that we currently have, i don't see why it should be removed until it is categorically proven false ie. until nick, his family, or manager come out and say that his mum is only of malaysian descent - not half-malaysian.
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So why is Nick dark-skinned? Is it the Greek or the Malaysian? What’s the other “half” in his mother: Anglo? 120.16.153.99 ( talk) 02:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)MBG I’d like a comment on his temperament too, if you think it falls within the scope of Wiki. Is it related to his ethnicity - or heritage? 120.16.153.99 ( talk) 09:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)MBG
The on-court behavior of Kyrgios has received a fair amount of press, so likely something about that can go in the article. But the following was added to the lead without any references. This sort of material must be sourced, per WP:BLP. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, but there was nothing in the article about Fraser. Here's the content that was added to the lead:
He has been involved in on- and off-court controversies, most notably involving Dawn Fraser.
I'm posting it here for discussion. Perhaps we can draft something here about his behavior before putting it in the article. TimidGuy ( talk) 10:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to put forward a suggestion that the “records” section isn’t really necessary, the only entry is a supposed record that isn’t even a standalone, or even shared with one other player, fourteen others have also achieved his “record”, so I would argue that a whole section dedicated to a single record that is actually shared by a considerable chunk of other players isn’t actually necessary, and feel that it should be deleted. Records sections I feel should be dedicated to notable achievements such as numbers of wins, titles, consecutive years winning titles , etc, not for beating the world number 1 as a teenager because that’s not particularly uncommon. Thetradge ( talk) 15:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel uneasy about alleged criminal activity being posted on a Wikipedia bio? I am thinking of the Canberra assault allegations. By the way, I am certainly no fan of Kyrgios, but like anyone else he is entitled to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. 110.142.232.71 ( talk) 01:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The amount of US $ 39.905.710 in Kyrgios records can’t be right. 49.180.229.55 ( talk) 03:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Please,somebody take Nick and try and fight the Demons within. How Obvious Is it he needs Professional Help and Guidance with his own life. RU OK 124.169.92.195 ( talk) 10:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. The section on Reputation is 2240 words long. It is extremely confused, contains emotive and judgemental language unsuitable to a Wiki entry, duplicates and omits important details and emphasises issues that occurred earlier in Kyrgios's career. Much of the worst instances occurred before 2019. They are scarcely relvant but are still being held against him because of your entry. I have 21 years experience as a careers and education journalist, editor and writer as well as understanding tennis and being a supporter of all young players, including Australians. We need to fix up this section. Please can I help. Also, I would like to suggest a new section, Kyrgios in popular culture and media influence. This is because in recent years a number of in-depth studies have been carried out by career sports analysts in magazines like Racquet, GQ, Esquire and New Yorker as well as Weekend Magazine which shed new light on what has influenced Kyrgios. The effect of racism is finally emerging and we can instance the many infamous cartoons which no other country would have been allowed to publish, which exaggerate his features as a person of colour. His role in the Break Point series should be highlighted including his many quotes - also its effect on him and other players. Kyrgios was assessed as the third highest sports influencer in Australia this year despite not playing. His role in starting important conversations which lead to change in sport cannot be underestimated. There are many basic facts which are quite wrong or omitted. The writers have continually stressed negatives while omitting positives. His major role in the 2017 Davis Cup tie against the USA is not there. This sort of omission while repeating behavioural issues is unbalanced. Can I help restore the balance in line with the other current players who have also been disqualified from tournaments? These include Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Paire, Fognini, Djokovic and Ymer. None of their entries mention fines, disqualifications or behavioural issues. All have glowing reports of their abilities as great players. At present, Nick's entry is unreadable. It is unwieldy and appears to be written with agendas of negativity. I am sure this is not true as you are all volunteers of good intent. However, so many young tennis players are now having to take time off - or leave the sport entirely - because of serious depression and distress due to media, social media and professional pressure that there is no necessity to over emphasise poor behaviour in a rapidly changing sport. This year, without Kyrgios, has seen the worst behaviour on tour ever as noted by many professional commentators. Please advise how I can best edit or provide copy for a greater improvement. Kind regards. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 16:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I am new to this editing process and need your advice. I recently deleted a section as requested by the editor inviting volunteers to improve it or discuss. However the deletion was restored. All of the references are over four years old and take no account of more recent events and occurrences on this topic. Please advise. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 11:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Personal life: basketball. You should add a reference and description of the interview about Kyrgios which was published in Racquet Magazine, a major top end magazine for tennis 'buffs'. Racquet 16. Cover story. Big Nick Energy by Giri Nathan spring 2021 Describes his year away from the sport during Covid lockdown and how he views the sport. It's very long but good reference. https://racquetmag.com/2021/06/25/big-nick-energy/ SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 14:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Kyrgios has not used the 'racism' card but in a few long form interviews in 2023 it has become evident that racism has played a big part in his career. He was the subject of the cover article in Esquire Australia, June 2023. https://www.esquire.com.au/sports/nick-kyrgios-interview-on-tennis-career/ in which he was interviewed about his thoughts on his entire career. The last page covers racism in Australian sport in general. Other important articles are the infamous cartoons by Mark Knight, Serena Williams and Kyrgios, published by Newscorp https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153383/Cartoonist-Mark-Knight-hits-slammed-racist-cartoon-Serena-Williams.html However there are positive cartoons in Australia such as the Guardian First Dog on the Moon January 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/12/nick-kyrgios-australias-sweetheart-and-the-peoples-prince It is very important the Wikipedia entry reflects the most recent analyses of Kyrgios. At present your references are often very old references from writers in tabloids and gosspip online. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 18:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I would like to suggest again that we remove this section. I have checked the Wikipedia entries for Novak Djokovic, Stefanos Tsitipas, Daniel Medvedev, Andrey Rublev and Sascha Bublik. ALL of these high profile players have received significant fines and been involved in complex controversies with referees and other players during 2022 and 2023. None have any entries on their Wikipedia pages concerning these issues. There is no reason to single Nick Kyrgios out as if he was more disrespectful than other players. Please can other volunteers reply to this request. The section leader has asked for out help to reduce or edit it. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 21:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we include a section on racism on Kyrgios's career as it has been a part of the conversation over the last two years beginning with Wimbledon 2022 and the Murray match in Stuttgart where he lost his temper after being called a black monkey and Murray called it ugly. He has also made some positive comments recently saying he looks forward to the time when racism is not part of any conversation as he has a very broad friendship group. It is very important that this is said also. I have collected a number of references to make a short section if other people agree it could be useful. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 12:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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There have been a lot of edit changed to the description of Kyrgios' mother, specifically about whether to call her "Malaysian" or "half-Malasyan". For his father, both "Greek" and "Greek-Australian" have been used. So it might be worth a discussion to sort it out a bit.
First, there is a difference between describing the ethnicity of his parents and their nationality. They are both Australian citizens who were born in other countries before coming to Australia. So their original nationalities are Malaysian and Greek, but their current nationality is just Australian.
Second, if the intention is to describe his mother's ethnicity, not her nationality, then "Malaysian" won't do the job. Malaysia is a country composed of a variety of different ethnic groups, none of which are called "Malaysian". So to refer to his mother's ethnicity a source would be needed that specifies which Malaysian ethnic group she belongs to. I have not seen any source that does that, so unless someone can find one that specifies, we cannot include any claim about her ethnicity at all.
Third, with regard to his father's ethnicity, "Greek" both describes a nationality and an ethnicity. One might think that "Greek-Australian" also describes an ethnicity, but that seems more a description of a person born and raised in Australia to ethnically Greek parents, not a Greek person who then moves to Australia.
In the absence of better sourcing for any other claims people might want to include, it does seem clear from sources that Kyrgios' father was born in Greece and his mother was born in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur, to be more specific). So I would suggest that the description of them in the article should say "Greek born" and "Malaysian born". These are indisputable facts that indicate their national origin and tell us about as much as we can verify about their ethnicity. 99.192.83.52 ( talk) 12:13, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
could you please reply more succinctly because it becomes very arduous to follow and respond to your points when they are so long.
1st i am quite insulted that you accuse me of being a racist. did i ever state that i was in support of the malay seeing themselves as the only true residents of malaysia? no. i was merely stating a reality that exists on the ground. so please don't make insulting insinuations.
this argument seems to be quite circular, so i just have a simple question: why did nick's manager state half for? you say that everyone else describes him as just plain malaysian, so why this different, seemingly unnecessary, description? put simply, his manager wouldn't use such a word if it wasn't true. & since this is the most detailed description of his identity that we currently have, i don't see why it should be removed until it is categorically proven false ie. until nick, his family, or manager come out and say that his mum is only of malaysian descent - not half-malaysian.
58.106.231.241 (
talk)
06:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
So why is Nick dark-skinned? Is it the Greek or the Malaysian? What’s the other “half” in his mother: Anglo? 120.16.153.99 ( talk) 02:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)MBG I’d like a comment on his temperament too, if you think it falls within the scope of Wiki. Is it related to his ethnicity - or heritage? 120.16.153.99 ( talk) 09:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)MBG
The on-court behavior of Kyrgios has received a fair amount of press, so likely something about that can go in the article. But the following was added to the lead without any references. This sort of material must be sourced, per WP:BLP. Also, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, but there was nothing in the article about Fraser. Here's the content that was added to the lead:
He has been involved in on- and off-court controversies, most notably involving Dawn Fraser.
I'm posting it here for discussion. Perhaps we can draft something here about his behavior before putting it in the article. TimidGuy ( talk) 10:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to put forward a suggestion that the “records” section isn’t really necessary, the only entry is a supposed record that isn’t even a standalone, or even shared with one other player, fourteen others have also achieved his “record”, so I would argue that a whole section dedicated to a single record that is actually shared by a considerable chunk of other players isn’t actually necessary, and feel that it should be deleted. Records sections I feel should be dedicated to notable achievements such as numbers of wins, titles, consecutive years winning titles , etc, not for beating the world number 1 as a teenager because that’s not particularly uncommon. Thetradge ( talk) 15:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel uneasy about alleged criminal activity being posted on a Wikipedia bio? I am thinking of the Canberra assault allegations. By the way, I am certainly no fan of Kyrgios, but like anyone else he is entitled to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. 110.142.232.71 ( talk) 01:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The amount of US $ 39.905.710 in Kyrgios records can’t be right. 49.180.229.55 ( talk) 03:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Please,somebody take Nick and try and fight the Demons within. How Obvious Is it he needs Professional Help and Guidance with his own life. RU OK 124.169.92.195 ( talk) 10:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. The section on Reputation is 2240 words long. It is extremely confused, contains emotive and judgemental language unsuitable to a Wiki entry, duplicates and omits important details and emphasises issues that occurred earlier in Kyrgios's career. Much of the worst instances occurred before 2019. They are scarcely relvant but are still being held against him because of your entry. I have 21 years experience as a careers and education journalist, editor and writer as well as understanding tennis and being a supporter of all young players, including Australians. We need to fix up this section. Please can I help. Also, I would like to suggest a new section, Kyrgios in popular culture and media influence. This is because in recent years a number of in-depth studies have been carried out by career sports analysts in magazines like Racquet, GQ, Esquire and New Yorker as well as Weekend Magazine which shed new light on what has influenced Kyrgios. The effect of racism is finally emerging and we can instance the many infamous cartoons which no other country would have been allowed to publish, which exaggerate his features as a person of colour. His role in the Break Point series should be highlighted including his many quotes - also its effect on him and other players. Kyrgios was assessed as the third highest sports influencer in Australia this year despite not playing. His role in starting important conversations which lead to change in sport cannot be underestimated. There are many basic facts which are quite wrong or omitted. The writers have continually stressed negatives while omitting positives. His major role in the 2017 Davis Cup tie against the USA is not there. This sort of omission while repeating behavioural issues is unbalanced. Can I help restore the balance in line with the other current players who have also been disqualified from tournaments? These include Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Paire, Fognini, Djokovic and Ymer. None of their entries mention fines, disqualifications or behavioural issues. All have glowing reports of their abilities as great players. At present, Nick's entry is unreadable. It is unwieldy and appears to be written with agendas of negativity. I am sure this is not true as you are all volunteers of good intent. However, so many young tennis players are now having to take time off - or leave the sport entirely - because of serious depression and distress due to media, social media and professional pressure that there is no necessity to over emphasise poor behaviour in a rapidly changing sport. This year, without Kyrgios, has seen the worst behaviour on tour ever as noted by many professional commentators. Please advise how I can best edit or provide copy for a greater improvement. Kind regards. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 16:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I am new to this editing process and need your advice. I recently deleted a section as requested by the editor inviting volunteers to improve it or discuss. However the deletion was restored. All of the references are over four years old and take no account of more recent events and occurrences on this topic. Please advise. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 11:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Personal life: basketball. You should add a reference and description of the interview about Kyrgios which was published in Racquet Magazine, a major top end magazine for tennis 'buffs'. Racquet 16. Cover story. Big Nick Energy by Giri Nathan spring 2021 Describes his year away from the sport during Covid lockdown and how he views the sport. It's very long but good reference. https://racquetmag.com/2021/06/25/big-nick-energy/ SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 14:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Kyrgios has not used the 'racism' card but in a few long form interviews in 2023 it has become evident that racism has played a big part in his career. He was the subject of the cover article in Esquire Australia, June 2023. https://www.esquire.com.au/sports/nick-kyrgios-interview-on-tennis-career/ in which he was interviewed about his thoughts on his entire career. The last page covers racism in Australian sport in general. Other important articles are the infamous cartoons by Mark Knight, Serena Williams and Kyrgios, published by Newscorp https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153383/Cartoonist-Mark-Knight-hits-slammed-racist-cartoon-Serena-Williams.html However there are positive cartoons in Australia such as the Guardian First Dog on the Moon January 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/12/nick-kyrgios-australias-sweetheart-and-the-peoples-prince It is very important the Wikipedia entry reflects the most recent analyses of Kyrgios. At present your references are often very old references from writers in tabloids and gosspip online. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 18:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I would like to suggest again that we remove this section. I have checked the Wikipedia entries for Novak Djokovic, Stefanos Tsitipas, Daniel Medvedev, Andrey Rublev and Sascha Bublik. ALL of these high profile players have received significant fines and been involved in complex controversies with referees and other players during 2022 and 2023. None have any entries on their Wikipedia pages concerning these issues. There is no reason to single Nick Kyrgios out as if he was more disrespectful than other players. Please can other volunteers reply to this request. The section leader has asked for out help to reduce or edit it. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 21:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that we include a section on racism on Kyrgios's career as it has been a part of the conversation over the last two years beginning with Wimbledon 2022 and the Murray match in Stuttgart where he lost his temper after being called a black monkey and Murray called it ugly. He has also made some positive comments recently saying he looks forward to the time when racism is not part of any conversation as he has a very broad friendship group. It is very important that this is said also. I have collected a number of references to make a short section if other people agree it could be useful. SueoftheAntipodes ( talk) 12:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)