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It appears that Jaques has once more proven unreliable. A quick search in a library cleary indicates some facts about the specific biography: Niccolo Leonico Temoe, was born in Venice of Epirote Greek parentage and studies Greek in Florence under Demetrius Chalconcondyles.. Alexikoua ( talk) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The University of Padua was one of the first to encourage the study of Greek; and Greeks who could lecture on Greek texts were especially welcome. A Chair of Greek was dounded there in 1463 and given to the Athenian Demetrius Chalcondylas. One of his successors, Nicholas Laonicus Thomaeus, an Epirot by birth, gave in 1497 a course of lectures on Aristotle, unsing only the Greek text and a few Alexandrian commentaries. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
albanian propaganda was removed from the entry, because it's 100% incompatible with reality & the principles of this encyclopedia ( WP:V, WP:RS). all sources written by real historical experts describe Thomaeus as a Venetian scholar of Greek origin (Jacques & 'scholars' from the Hoxha era are very unreliable sources). so as to preserve this encyclopedia's credibility, please keep pseudo-history & pseudo-science out of this entry. thanks. 100.1.14.113 ( talk) 21:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not the first time you consider the Albanian scholars as unreliable,while you use greek politicans as references.Also there is Jacque.Note that these all are references,you can't delete them only because you think that they are fabricated by communist Albania.Also you deleted many other informations that haven't been edited by me,only to add the information you like.There are two hypothesis about the origin of Thomaeus ,but you want to see only the greek one there. Rolandi+ ( talk) 14:29, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't refer as greek politicans to the references at this article ,but to references you have used at many articles,such as Souliotes. Rolandi+ ( talk) 17:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
This doesn't mean you can vandalize wikipedia.Add the albanian hypothesis. Rolandi+ ( talk) 20:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
And Jacque?You use serb scholars as references at albanian nobility pages...also go and read the books that I have used as references and then come and talk about them. Rolandi+ ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Firstly,Elsie's claim doesn't mean that Jasque isn't reliable.Many scholars claim such thing about others' work.Also note that there are albanian scholars.Also you deleted infos that were not based on these references.You did this without concensus. We can't find a concensus yet,so until there ,our recent edits will be reverted to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015. Rolandi+ ( talk) 14:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Also your edits have been addressed in the wp:ani case, which is still active.So everything is OK.Now there is consesnus between us to revert to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015.Thank you. Rolandi+ ( talk) 15:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
That says he was Albanian -born,but I think that the the right version is Venetian born. Rolandi+ ( talk) 16:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
And yes Dr.K is quite right, per wp:sockpuppet (as far I remember, manipulating Italian reference was a typical pattern of an old block user who is following me recently). Alexikoua ( talk) 19:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
"...since Albania in 15th century had a much broader geographic meaning.".Which is this much broader geographic meaning?The reference says Albanian that is a ethnicity,not Albania that is a geographic meaning. "It's quite weird since the entire western bibliograph is quite clear and detailed about his background."---where did you learn that? Rolandi+ ( talk) 20:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Firstly,rifugiato albanese doesn't mean necessarily that he was born in Albania. Secondly,however it says Albanian,doesn't say Albanian of greek origin.
However,please don't worry about that.I don't have enough time now,as I have to sleep,but in the future I will give you many references about this case.In fact,I have to use only references for my claims.Goodnight Alexikoua! Rolandi+ ( talk) 21:17, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Vannucci, the "user in question" isn't ravaging or hijacking articles since replacing pseudo-history with accurate facts from mainstream/specialist sources is in full agreement with Wikipedia policies ( WP:RS, WP:V, WP:FRINGE) that you and Albanian ultranationalists consistently ignore or use whenever they suit you. If anything, the Swedish Wikipedia should be thanking users for removing false biographical information (per WP:BIO) instead of defending unreliable garbage sources like Jacques and "scholars" from the Enver Hoxha regime. And like I told you before, "bringing up the Arvanites and what other editors did years ago is irrelevant to this discussion and the only reason you even bring it up is to justify keeping pseudo-history on the Thomaeus entry." Sadly, your antics Vannucci haven't resulted in any substantial improvements to the Thomaeus entry on the Swedish Wikipedia, which to this day continues to be a worthless trashpit that defends fringe nonsense and directly opposes the consensus among mainstream/specialist scholars regarding the life and career of Thomaeus. Umpire Empire ( talk) 13:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Paolo Giovio, a noteworthy Italian historian, in his "Elogii degli uomini illustri" writes: Leonico Tomeo figliuolo d'un Albanese... meaning: Leonicus Thomaeus, son of an Albanian. https://books.google.al/books?id=No-rNCzIvuYC&pg=PA200&dq=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22albanese%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiX1sLxmpP2AhViRPEDHdw0BZoQ6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Leonico%20Tomeo%22%20%22albanese%22&f=false
A modern English bibliography, also on his Albanian origin. https://www.google.al/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22Albanian%22
Giorgio Vasari, on his Albanian origin. Probably from Durrës. https://books.google.al/books?id=8bIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA402&dq=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22Durazzo%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUj-6PnpP2AhUkSPEDHSuYCsMQ6AF6BAgCEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Leonico%20Tomeo%22%20%22Durazzo%22&f=false
Edion Petriti ( talk) 11:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
@ 72.90.255.156: Please review the above talk page sections. The parentage of the article subject is well discussed here, and sources are provided for both possibilities. You cannot remove all sources of one possibility just because your favorite source disagrees with them. No source is perfect. Please use this talk page to discuss the source removals you would like to enact rather than reverting the edits of any user that tries to maintain the original page. As it stands you (the mentioned IP) have violated WP:3RR which, while I failed to warn you in time before your 4th revert, I am sure you knew about given your linking of other wikipedia policy pages. Again, please use this page to discuss, not your edit summaries. GabberFlasted ( talk) 16:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
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It appears that Jaques has once more proven unreliable. A quick search in a library cleary indicates some facts about the specific biography: Niccolo Leonico Temoe, was born in Venice of Epirote Greek parentage and studies Greek in Florence under Demetrius Chalconcondyles.. Alexikoua ( talk) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The University of Padua was one of the first to encourage the study of Greek; and Greeks who could lecture on Greek texts were especially welcome. A Chair of Greek was dounded there in 1463 and given to the Athenian Demetrius Chalcondylas. One of his successors, Nicholas Laonicus Thomaeus, an Epirot by birth, gave in 1497 a course of lectures on Aristotle, unsing only the Greek text and a few Alexandrian commentaries. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
albanian propaganda was removed from the entry, because it's 100% incompatible with reality & the principles of this encyclopedia ( WP:V, WP:RS). all sources written by real historical experts describe Thomaeus as a Venetian scholar of Greek origin (Jacques & 'scholars' from the Hoxha era are very unreliable sources). so as to preserve this encyclopedia's credibility, please keep pseudo-history & pseudo-science out of this entry. thanks. 100.1.14.113 ( talk) 21:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not the first time you consider the Albanian scholars as unreliable,while you use greek politicans as references.Also there is Jacque.Note that these all are references,you can't delete them only because you think that they are fabricated by communist Albania.Also you deleted many other informations that haven't been edited by me,only to add the information you like.There are two hypothesis about the origin of Thomaeus ,but you want to see only the greek one there. Rolandi+ ( talk) 14:29, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't refer as greek politicans to the references at this article ,but to references you have used at many articles,such as Souliotes. Rolandi+ ( talk) 17:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
This doesn't mean you can vandalize wikipedia.Add the albanian hypothesis. Rolandi+ ( talk) 20:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
And Jacque?You use serb scholars as references at albanian nobility pages...also go and read the books that I have used as references and then come and talk about them. Rolandi+ ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Firstly,Elsie's claim doesn't mean that Jasque isn't reliable.Many scholars claim such thing about others' work.Also note that there are albanian scholars.Also you deleted infos that were not based on these references.You did this without concensus. We can't find a concensus yet,so until there ,our recent edits will be reverted to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015. Rolandi+ ( talk) 14:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Also your edits have been addressed in the wp:ani case, which is still active.So everything is OK.Now there is consesnus between us to revert to the article's version as of 20:48, 18 June 2015.Thank you. Rolandi+ ( talk) 15:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
That says he was Albanian -born,but I think that the the right version is Venetian born. Rolandi+ ( talk) 16:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
And yes Dr.K is quite right, per wp:sockpuppet (as far I remember, manipulating Italian reference was a typical pattern of an old block user who is following me recently). Alexikoua ( talk) 19:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
"...since Albania in 15th century had a much broader geographic meaning.".Which is this much broader geographic meaning?The reference says Albanian that is a ethnicity,not Albania that is a geographic meaning. "It's quite weird since the entire western bibliograph is quite clear and detailed about his background."---where did you learn that? Rolandi+ ( talk) 20:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Firstly,rifugiato albanese doesn't mean necessarily that he was born in Albania. Secondly,however it says Albanian,doesn't say Albanian of greek origin.
However,please don't worry about that.I don't have enough time now,as I have to sleep,but in the future I will give you many references about this case.In fact,I have to use only references for my claims.Goodnight Alexikoua! Rolandi+ ( talk) 21:17, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Vannucci, the "user in question" isn't ravaging or hijacking articles since replacing pseudo-history with accurate facts from mainstream/specialist sources is in full agreement with Wikipedia policies ( WP:RS, WP:V, WP:FRINGE) that you and Albanian ultranationalists consistently ignore or use whenever they suit you. If anything, the Swedish Wikipedia should be thanking users for removing false biographical information (per WP:BIO) instead of defending unreliable garbage sources like Jacques and "scholars" from the Enver Hoxha regime. And like I told you before, "bringing up the Arvanites and what other editors did years ago is irrelevant to this discussion and the only reason you even bring it up is to justify keeping pseudo-history on the Thomaeus entry." Sadly, your antics Vannucci haven't resulted in any substantial improvements to the Thomaeus entry on the Swedish Wikipedia, which to this day continues to be a worthless trashpit that defends fringe nonsense and directly opposes the consensus among mainstream/specialist scholars regarding the life and career of Thomaeus. Umpire Empire ( talk) 13:27, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Paolo Giovio, a noteworthy Italian historian, in his "Elogii degli uomini illustri" writes: Leonico Tomeo figliuolo d'un Albanese... meaning: Leonicus Thomaeus, son of an Albanian. https://books.google.al/books?id=No-rNCzIvuYC&pg=PA200&dq=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22albanese%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiX1sLxmpP2AhViRPEDHdw0BZoQ6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Leonico%20Tomeo%22%20%22albanese%22&f=false
A modern English bibliography, also on his Albanian origin. https://www.google.al/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22Albanian%22
Giorgio Vasari, on his Albanian origin. Probably from Durrës. https://books.google.al/books?id=8bIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA402&dq=%22Leonico+Tomeo%22+%22Durazzo%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUj-6PnpP2AhUkSPEDHSuYCsMQ6AF6BAgCEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Leonico%20Tomeo%22%20%22Durazzo%22&f=false
Edion Petriti ( talk) 11:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
@ 72.90.255.156: Please review the above talk page sections. The parentage of the article subject is well discussed here, and sources are provided for both possibilities. You cannot remove all sources of one possibility just because your favorite source disagrees with them. No source is perfect. Please use this talk page to discuss the source removals you would like to enact rather than reverting the edits of any user that tries to maintain the original page. As it stands you (the mentioned IP) have violated WP:3RR which, while I failed to warn you in time before your 4th revert, I am sure you knew about given your linking of other wikipedia policy pages. Again, please use this page to discuss, not your edit summaries. GabberFlasted ( talk) 16:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)