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As the one who put an end to actual chauvinism (if it wasn't simply an error) in this article by moving it from Nicaea to Iznik (see edit history), I add my support to having the former Greek name (from which the Turkish name is derived) in the lead sentence. This is not chauvinism, but it is for the reader's advantage, as many readers will be cross-referencing, etc. Giving relevant alternate names in the lead is also the standard in Wikipedia. Alexander 007 18:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
On that note, was it necessary to move it to the spelling with the dotted capital I? Even when we call it "Iznik" we just use a regular I in English... Adam Bishop 02:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
The Article should be renamed to the original greek name with an additional information abouth the present turkish name. -- Epigenes 14:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
A pronunciation guide would be helpful. Is it Nih-kee-ah, Nih-see-ah, or...? -- 216.31.219.19 ( talk) 20:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC) Howard Persh, howard.persh.us@member.mensa.org
The result of the move request was: page moved to Nicaea, Empire of Nicaea. Consensus was to split. Consensus was to move to Nicaea but there was no discussion on primary topic and moving Nicaea, which is a dab page, was not announced on that page nor discussed here. So I see this move as the first step in making the split happen and allowing the other issues to be resolved. Feel free to split out the portions on İznik correctly noting that the text was from this article. Someone will also need to look at all of the links and make sure that they are pointing to the correct article. Once that is done, feel free to list this as a move if the current name is not acceptable. I'll note that a lot of the inbound links are from Nicaea (city) which appears to be ambiguous but this city could be the primary topic under that name. Bottom line is that there were too many issues to resolve here and now. This discussion has been open too long so get started on the split and we can cleanup after. If some simple admin cleanup is needed, leave a note on my talk page. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
İznik →
Nicaea – per
WP:COMMONNAME. The location draws its fame from its history as a Byzantine city. The article appears to have been renamed to Iznik without discussion some years ago.
Nicaea should be moved to
Nicaea (disambiguation), similar to
Alexandria (disambiguation),
Athens (disambiguation), etc...--
Rafy
talk 14:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Based on comments on my talk page, this has been moved to Niacea instead. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Whose idea was it to move the article to "Nicaea, Empire of Nicaea"? The move request included no disambiguation, and even if it had, the one chosen is completely worthless. The Empire of Nicaea was a temporary successor state of Byzantium after the Fourth Crusade, and certainly not the defining geographical and historical factor about the city. "Nicaea in Bithynia" would have worked far better and be in keeping with placename disambiguation practice. However, Nicaea is certainly far better known the other locations of the name as the location of the Ecumenical Council that produced the Nicene Creed, and a disambiguation is not necessary: a clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A rename per the original move request to simple " Nicaea" is in order here. I have already moved the dab page to Nicaea (disambiguation). Constantine ✍ 20:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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As the one who put an end to actual chauvinism (if it wasn't simply an error) in this article by moving it from Nicaea to Iznik (see edit history), I add my support to having the former Greek name (from which the Turkish name is derived) in the lead sentence. This is not chauvinism, but it is for the reader's advantage, as many readers will be cross-referencing, etc. Giving relevant alternate names in the lead is also the standard in Wikipedia. Alexander 007 18:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
On that note, was it necessary to move it to the spelling with the dotted capital I? Even when we call it "Iznik" we just use a regular I in English... Adam Bishop 02:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
The Article should be renamed to the original greek name with an additional information abouth the present turkish name. -- Epigenes 14:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
A pronunciation guide would be helpful. Is it Nih-kee-ah, Nih-see-ah, or...? -- 216.31.219.19 ( talk) 20:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC) Howard Persh, howard.persh.us@member.mensa.org
The result of the move request was: page moved to Nicaea, Empire of Nicaea. Consensus was to split. Consensus was to move to Nicaea but there was no discussion on primary topic and moving Nicaea, which is a dab page, was not announced on that page nor discussed here. So I see this move as the first step in making the split happen and allowing the other issues to be resolved. Feel free to split out the portions on İznik correctly noting that the text was from this article. Someone will also need to look at all of the links and make sure that they are pointing to the correct article. Once that is done, feel free to list this as a move if the current name is not acceptable. I'll note that a lot of the inbound links are from Nicaea (city) which appears to be ambiguous but this city could be the primary topic under that name. Bottom line is that there were too many issues to resolve here and now. This discussion has been open too long so get started on the split and we can cleanup after. If some simple admin cleanup is needed, leave a note on my talk page. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
İznik →
Nicaea – per
WP:COMMONNAME. The location draws its fame from its history as a Byzantine city. The article appears to have been renamed to Iznik without discussion some years ago.
Nicaea should be moved to
Nicaea (disambiguation), similar to
Alexandria (disambiguation),
Athens (disambiguation), etc...--
Rafy
talk 14:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Based on comments on my talk page, this has been moved to Niacea instead. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Whose idea was it to move the article to "Nicaea, Empire of Nicaea"? The move request included no disambiguation, and even if it had, the one chosen is completely worthless. The Empire of Nicaea was a temporary successor state of Byzantium after the Fourth Crusade, and certainly not the defining geographical and historical factor about the city. "Nicaea in Bithynia" would have worked far better and be in keeping with placename disambiguation practice. However, Nicaea is certainly far better known the other locations of the name as the location of the Ecumenical Council that produced the Nicene Creed, and a disambiguation is not necessary: a clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A rename per the original move request to simple " Nicaea" is in order here. I have already moved the dab page to Nicaea (disambiguation). Constantine ✍ 20:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)