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I just attempted to add the link appearing below as a source reference supporting the claim that the stones are housed in the Johnson-Humrickhouse Museum; but I have to admit that for some reason I was unable to get the template used for establishing an online reference to work. Perhaps it has something to do with the existing code that's already being used to reference this article. Can someone more technically "adept" than myself have a look at it. cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 03:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
http://www.jhmuseum.org/holy_stone_about.htm
I'm not an expert on the subject matter (like, at all), but it seems to me this article may be too even-handed. Are there actually credible archaeologists who don't see this as an obvious hoax out of hand? If I'm correct in thinking that no one credible treats this seriously, I'd recommend tightening it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanp ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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Not sure if these issues belong in this article or others, nor what degree of citation to do in this article, since these issues have their own more extensive articles with lots of citations (and redundant citation should be avoided if a more focused article has plenty of them itself).
Are there articles that directly address the relationship between Mideast & pre-Columbian alphabets found in North America, or the very specific diffusionist claim that Phoenicians or Hebrews reached North America?
Similarities between Mi'kmaq_hieroglyphic_writing and Phoenician (a predecessor of the Hebrew alphabet) are commonly noted. These appear at Bedford, Nova Scotia and other inland sites, from which a sea or river route to Newark would have been feasible by early societies.
Discovery of a haplogroup in common between Middle Eastern & Native American peoples was raised by diffusionist dissenters to the mainstream (exclusively Ancient Beringians) theory of population of the Americas, that all Western Hemisphere peoples are descended from less than a dozen Beringian families. This theory, raised by diffusionist scholars, is often claimed to be conclusively debunked, but without addressing other diffusionist evidence & usually making unusual note of motives for distortion, as was done to Wyrick [1]. Debates continue [2] about when haplogroup X left the Mideast: as early as 30,000 years ago, or as late as 2000 years ago.
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The POV claim seemingly from Williams that Wyrick had, prior to the "discovery" of the Newark stones, promoted the theory of Jewish origins of advanced Mound Builders culture, has been muted twice now to make clear that this was Williams' claim, not based on Wyrick's correspondence prior to the discovery, and not reflected in his colleagues' views of him prior to then. It is extremely POV to just state Wyrick had this bias as a fact, and that should not be implied regardless of whatever else is said (or not) about Wyrick and the accusations of him involved in hoax.
The article seems to more likely finger the stonecutter & clergyman, in its present state, as they had motive & means, if not opportunity. As there were many people present at the dig, and this was prior to the profession of archaeology developing its modern protocols, it seems wrong to simply assign Wyrick all blame for authentication errors. Any guidance on how this was handled in other articles would be of some value.
The Michigan relics and the claims of Mormonism certainly would slant contemporary perception in the late 19th century of Wyrick and the Stones. However it should be clear to readers that Mound Builders relics were being dismissed entirely from a racialized perspective, and also promoted from such a perspective, and that no claim of individuals' bias by another individual at this time can be taken entirely credibly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.42.254.107 ( talk) 11:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Here. [1] Doug Weller talk 18:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The Newark Holy Stones: The History of An Archaeological Comedy Jeff Gill, Bradley T. Lepper, and Meghan Marley. Doug Weller talk 14:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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I just attempted to add the link appearing below as a source reference supporting the claim that the stones are housed in the Johnson-Humrickhouse Museum; but I have to admit that for some reason I was unable to get the template used for establishing an online reference to work. Perhaps it has something to do with the existing code that's already being used to reference this article. Can someone more technically "adept" than myself have a look at it. cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 03:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
http://www.jhmuseum.org/holy_stone_about.htm
I'm not an expert on the subject matter (like, at all), but it seems to me this article may be too even-handed. Are there actually credible archaeologists who don't see this as an obvious hoax out of hand? If I'm correct in thinking that no one credible treats this seriously, I'd recommend tightening it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanp ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 03:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Not sure if these issues belong in this article or others, nor what degree of citation to do in this article, since these issues have their own more extensive articles with lots of citations (and redundant citation should be avoided if a more focused article has plenty of them itself).
Are there articles that directly address the relationship between Mideast & pre-Columbian alphabets found in North America, or the very specific diffusionist claim that Phoenicians or Hebrews reached North America?
Similarities between Mi'kmaq_hieroglyphic_writing and Phoenician (a predecessor of the Hebrew alphabet) are commonly noted. These appear at Bedford, Nova Scotia and other inland sites, from which a sea or river route to Newark would have been feasible by early societies.
Discovery of a haplogroup in common between Middle Eastern & Native American peoples was raised by diffusionist dissenters to the mainstream (exclusively Ancient Beringians) theory of population of the Americas, that all Western Hemisphere peoples are descended from less than a dozen Beringian families. This theory, raised by diffusionist scholars, is often claimed to be conclusively debunked, but without addressing other diffusionist evidence & usually making unusual note of motives for distortion, as was done to Wyrick [1]. Debates continue [2] about when haplogroup X left the Mideast: as early as 30,000 years ago, or as late as 2000 years ago.
References
The POV claim seemingly from Williams that Wyrick had, prior to the "discovery" of the Newark stones, promoted the theory of Jewish origins of advanced Mound Builders culture, has been muted twice now to make clear that this was Williams' claim, not based on Wyrick's correspondence prior to the discovery, and not reflected in his colleagues' views of him prior to then. It is extremely POV to just state Wyrick had this bias as a fact, and that should not be implied regardless of whatever else is said (or not) about Wyrick and the accusations of him involved in hoax.
The article seems to more likely finger the stonecutter & clergyman, in its present state, as they had motive & means, if not opportunity. As there were many people present at the dig, and this was prior to the profession of archaeology developing its modern protocols, it seems wrong to simply assign Wyrick all blame for authentication errors. Any guidance on how this was handled in other articles would be of some value.
The Michigan relics and the claims of Mormonism certainly would slant contemporary perception in the late 19th century of Wyrick and the Stones. However it should be clear to readers that Mound Builders relics were being dismissed entirely from a racialized perspective, and also promoted from such a perspective, and that no claim of individuals' bias by another individual at this time can be taken entirely credibly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.42.254.107 ( talk) 11:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Here. [1] Doug Weller talk 18:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The Newark Holy Stones: The History of An Archaeological Comedy Jeff Gill, Bradley T. Lepper, and Meghan Marley. Doug Weller talk 14:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)