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Guys, you can debate about what's important and what isn't later, but the article is just a big mess, those quotes are insane. Is never late to learn how to paraphrase --chilean anon
Yo dawg I heard you like quotes. What makes a man turn neutral? ( talk) 03:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Carel, your presentation style is awful, and the article isn't fit for purpose. It's incomprehensible. As if someone dropped a mass of quotes onto the page, stood back, and said "there you go - sort it out". In which context is it supposed to work? As a general-purpose editorial article it's impossible to parse; as an encyclopaedia entry it's unprocessed; as a university dissertation it reads like a set of research notes. You're supposed to take those quotes and the information they contain and use them as a foundation, not just dump them on the page and expect other people to form them into a building.
The best course of action would be to sweep the whole lot away and rewrite it from scratch. Begin by describing the state of sci-fi immediately pre-New Wave; then broadly describe the New Wave, its key works, its influence, awards etc, and its eventual dissipation as its themes became mainstream. Of course no-one's going to do this because no-one wants to take responsibility for destroying Carey McCarthy's hard but misguided work. No-one has the guts. Even though it's necessary. 91.125.97.4 ( talk) 19:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
"That's all good advice, if aggressively delivered" - I wrote that. I have no idea why there's an IP address. It's not aggressively delivered - it's passionately delivered. I came here because I want to know about the sci-fi I read when I was young; the article is awful and doesn't even explain the concept in the simplest terms. It's dreadful. There's no sin in pointing out genuine awfulness. It deserves to be kicked in the face, knocked to the ground, and then continually kicked in the torso until its liver ruptures and blood comes out of its mouth and it dies. I can't do it because I wasn't even alive at the time. Who will? Not any of the people above, that's for sure. - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 17:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
The article says it was Judith Merril who coined the name, but she says she never used it (reference given). Since I have no copy of january 1966 magazine of F&SF, I have left these contradictory pieces of information together. -- MathsPoetry ( talk) 11:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Happening on this, I took a look. To start with, the section about origins needs work. It is currently unclear as to whether Merril did or didn't use the phrase in F&SF so we could use a quote. And there are other, earlier examples. I shall make an update. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Not sure it was there or I’m misremembering something. If there is not, I believe there should be. No buts. Thank you 172.248.174.74 ( talk) 16:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Guys, you can debate about what's important and what isn't later, but the article is just a big mess, those quotes are insane. Is never late to learn how to paraphrase --chilean anon
Yo dawg I heard you like quotes. What makes a man turn neutral? ( talk) 03:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Carel, your presentation style is awful, and the article isn't fit for purpose. It's incomprehensible. As if someone dropped a mass of quotes onto the page, stood back, and said "there you go - sort it out". In which context is it supposed to work? As a general-purpose editorial article it's impossible to parse; as an encyclopaedia entry it's unprocessed; as a university dissertation it reads like a set of research notes. You're supposed to take those quotes and the information they contain and use them as a foundation, not just dump them on the page and expect other people to form them into a building.
The best course of action would be to sweep the whole lot away and rewrite it from scratch. Begin by describing the state of sci-fi immediately pre-New Wave; then broadly describe the New Wave, its key works, its influence, awards etc, and its eventual dissipation as its themes became mainstream. Of course no-one's going to do this because no-one wants to take responsibility for destroying Carey McCarthy's hard but misguided work. No-one has the guts. Even though it's necessary. 91.125.97.4 ( talk) 19:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
"That's all good advice, if aggressively delivered" - I wrote that. I have no idea why there's an IP address. It's not aggressively delivered - it's passionately delivered. I came here because I want to know about the sci-fi I read when I was young; the article is awful and doesn't even explain the concept in the simplest terms. It's dreadful. There's no sin in pointing out genuine awfulness. It deserves to be kicked in the face, knocked to the ground, and then continually kicked in the torso until its liver ruptures and blood comes out of its mouth and it dies. I can't do it because I wasn't even alive at the time. Who will? Not any of the people above, that's for sure. - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 17:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
The article says it was Judith Merril who coined the name, but she says she never used it (reference given). Since I have no copy of january 1966 magazine of F&SF, I have left these contradictory pieces of information together. -- MathsPoetry ( talk) 11:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hi! I just participated in a major rewrite of Mundane Science Fiction. I will now be rewriting New Wave. This major rewrite will take approximately one week and will be structured as follows: 1) Day 1. Flag page with appropriate templates. 2) Day 2. Add 'Under construction template'. Restructure page according to Snarkibartfast's suggestion and current best practices on similar pages. 3) Days 3-4. Addition of material. 4) Days 5-6. Cut down and restructure. 5) Day 7. Remove templates; achieve consensus on whether results are satisfactory, re-appraise page quality status. Please feel free to participate! Johncdraper ( talk) 11:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I am requesting comments on progress so far. Johncdraper ( talk) 12:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Rewrite and third-party peer review completed. See my Talk. Requesting uninvolved contributor to initiate article promotion peer review process to GA. CapnZapp Might you be interested in taking a look? Johncdraper ( talk) 15:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Happening on this, I took a look. To start with, the section about origins needs work. It is currently unclear as to whether Merril did or didn't use the phrase in F&SF so we could use a quote. And there are other, earlier examples. I shall make an update. Andrew🐉( talk) 13:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Not sure it was there or I’m misremembering something. If there is not, I believe there should be. No buts. Thank you 172.248.174.74 ( talk) 16:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)