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There is currently a separate article for Jubata Ez-Zeit. I have taken some content from that article and added it to this one. Neve Ativ occupies the same location as Jubata Ez-Zeit did, and only a few years separate the destruction of one and the founding of the the other. So there should be information about Jubata Ez-Zeit in this article. I also think it is hard to make a legitimate case for having two separate articles. If it were otherwise, there would be multiple articles for every town or village that has ever seen a population change or a name-change or a short break in settlement continuity. Meowy 16:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
"Without speculating on the motivation of Meowy" - what a pathetic comment to make. I wonder what sort of unholy, perverse, freak-of-nature alliance will evolve to oppose me if I persist in editing this article like it were any other Wikipedia article, since I assume both "sides" have their vested interests in POV-warring "Arab-Israeli-conflict" articles into forms not seen on other Wikipedia articles. In "normal" wikipedia articles, it is the location of a settlement that is its defining characteristic, not its name or its ethnic makeup or the specific structures within the settlement. We are not talking about an ancient city and a modern settlement, we are talking about the same settlement but with a population and name change.
Meowy
18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Meowy you have in the article written that Neve Ativ is "formerly Jubata Ez-Zeit" You have not provided one single source for this claim. You are making stuff up. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The link works for me, and it is a reliable source, "Arab Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Golan and co-authored by Declan Gannon, legal researcher Al- Marsad, and Dr. Ray Murphy, senior lecture Irish Center for Human Rights." you have removed the article without asking or getting consensus. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 09:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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help)The Jubata article is not going anywhere, its time to remove all text about Jubata from this article and only have a link to the other. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 10:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the citation of "Al Marsad" the publications of which should not be regarded as a credible source. It is a pro-Syrian, political organization who occasionally publishes anti-Israeli pamphlets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 19:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
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help) p 151. The quote is Taiseer Maray explains the Israeli settlement programme in the Occupied Golan and in particular the settlement of Neve Ativ, which is built on the destroyed Arab village of Jubata Ez-Zeit.
nableezy -
20:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
A political manifesto (although in a form of a book) with an agenda overlapping that of the organization
that was cited previously is yet not a credible source. —Preceding
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20:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It publishes original research, political views and so on. None of which can be considered as solid, informative or unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
You are correct in that Wikipedia has its own definition of the term "original research". I should have said not original research but an obviously biased political manifesto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
My opinion is as good as that of the guy which you cited, Taiseer Maray. The reference you are trying to promote is not only biased, but the citation taken from it describes quotes from a local residence of the Golan Heights, Taiseer Maray. Cherry picking a testimony of a person cited in a research differs from citing the conclusion of that research, even if the research had not been politically motivated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Yearbook of International Humanitarian Law is a RS, and there is also another source confirming that Neve Ativ is built on Jubata ez-Zeit, I added it to the article: Dar, Shimon (1993). Settlements and cult sites on Mount Hermon, Israel: Ituraean culture in the Hellenistic and Roman periods (Illustrated ed.). Tempus Reparatum. p. 168. ISBN 978-0-86054-756-3. Also I removed the link to Moshavism in the see also section since that link is already in the article, and I re added the link to the Israeli occupied territories article since this settlement is built in Israeli occupied territories. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 22:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
The link of Moshavim is more relevant than the link to Israeli Settlements, although I agree that both are not essential. Jubata ez-Zeit (a strange Latin name isn't it?) does not date to Roman period but perhaps was built over the destroyed ancient village that preceded it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
There has been long discussion at WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues about adding the illegality issue in all settlement article: [2] There is now consensus to have the sentence: "The international community considers Israeli settlements in (the Golan Heights/the West Bank/East Jerusalem) illegal under international law, but the Israeli government disputes this." in all relevant articles, but its not clear yet exactly where in the article, I have tried to open up a discussion at IPCCAI: [3] [4] but I haven't gotten any replies to my latest posts. So now I'm just adding the sentence as I had explained at the IPCCAI discussion. If someone disagrees with the placement then we can discuss this. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
As usual, Supreme Deliciousness is doing all it can to push a POV and use non-neutral language in every article it touches. I have copyedited this article for neutrality and proper English. Supreme Deliciousness does not own the article and should find other topics to edit, as advised by administrators after their last round of sanctions.-- Geewhiz ( talk) 18:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The part about the ski resort should be derived from Mount Hermon ski resort Currently I just added the link but I think we should make the connection between the two articles better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy.other ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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There is currently a separate article for Jubata Ez-Zeit. I have taken some content from that article and added it to this one. Neve Ativ occupies the same location as Jubata Ez-Zeit did, and only a few years separate the destruction of one and the founding of the the other. So there should be information about Jubata Ez-Zeit in this article. I also think it is hard to make a legitimate case for having two separate articles. If it were otherwise, there would be multiple articles for every town or village that has ever seen a population change or a name-change or a short break in settlement continuity. Meowy 16:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
"Without speculating on the motivation of Meowy" - what a pathetic comment to make. I wonder what sort of unholy, perverse, freak-of-nature alliance will evolve to oppose me if I persist in editing this article like it were any other Wikipedia article, since I assume both "sides" have their vested interests in POV-warring "Arab-Israeli-conflict" articles into forms not seen on other Wikipedia articles. In "normal" wikipedia articles, it is the location of a settlement that is its defining characteristic, not its name or its ethnic makeup or the specific structures within the settlement. We are not talking about an ancient city and a modern settlement, we are talking about the same settlement but with a population and name change.
Meowy
18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Meowy you have in the article written that Neve Ativ is "formerly Jubata Ez-Zeit" You have not provided one single source for this claim. You are making stuff up. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The link works for me, and it is a reliable source, "Arab Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Golan and co-authored by Declan Gannon, legal researcher Al- Marsad, and Dr. Ray Murphy, senior lecture Irish Center for Human Rights." you have removed the article without asking or getting consensus. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 09:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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help)The Jubata article is not going anywhere, its time to remove all text about Jubata from this article and only have a link to the other. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 10:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the citation of "Al Marsad" the publications of which should not be regarded as a credible source. It is a pro-Syrian, political organization who occasionally publishes anti-Israeli pamphlets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 19:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
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has extra text (
help) p 151. The quote is Taiseer Maray explains the Israeli settlement programme in the Occupied Golan and in particular the settlement of Neve Ativ, which is built on the destroyed Arab village of Jubata Ez-Zeit.
nableezy -
20:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
A political manifesto (although in a form of a book) with an agenda overlapping that of the organization
that was cited previously is yet not a credible source. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Martinakohl (
talk •
contribs)
20:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It publishes original research, political views and so on. None of which can be considered as solid, informative or unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
You are correct in that Wikipedia has its own definition of the term "original research". I should have said not original research but an obviously biased political manifesto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
My opinion is as good as that of the guy which you cited, Taiseer Maray. The reference you are trying to promote is not only biased, but the citation taken from it describes quotes from a local residence of the Golan Heights, Taiseer Maray. Cherry picking a testimony of a person cited in a research differs from citing the conclusion of that research, even if the research had not been politically motivated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Yearbook of International Humanitarian Law is a RS, and there is also another source confirming that Neve Ativ is built on Jubata ez-Zeit, I added it to the article: Dar, Shimon (1993). Settlements and cult sites on Mount Hermon, Israel: Ituraean culture in the Hellenistic and Roman periods (Illustrated ed.). Tempus Reparatum. p. 168. ISBN 978-0-86054-756-3. Also I removed the link to Moshavism in the see also section since that link is already in the article, and I re added the link to the Israeli occupied territories article since this settlement is built in Israeli occupied territories. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 22:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
The link of Moshavim is more relevant than the link to Israeli Settlements, although I agree that both are not essential. Jubata ez-Zeit (a strange Latin name isn't it?) does not date to Roman period but perhaps was built over the destroyed ancient village that preceded it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinakohl ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
There has been long discussion at WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues about adding the illegality issue in all settlement article: [2] There is now consensus to have the sentence: "The international community considers Israeli settlements in (the Golan Heights/the West Bank/East Jerusalem) illegal under international law, but the Israeli government disputes this." in all relevant articles, but its not clear yet exactly where in the article, I have tried to open up a discussion at IPCCAI: [3] [4] but I haven't gotten any replies to my latest posts. So now I'm just adding the sentence as I had explained at the IPCCAI discussion. If someone disagrees with the placement then we can discuss this. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
As usual, Supreme Deliciousness is doing all it can to push a POV and use non-neutral language in every article it touches. I have copyedited this article for neutrality and proper English. Supreme Deliciousness does not own the article and should find other topics to edit, as advised by administrators after their last round of sanctions.-- Geewhiz ( talk) 18:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The part about the ski resort should be derived from Mount Hermon ski resort Currently I just added the link but I think we should make the connection between the two articles better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy.other ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)