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There have been a few rounds going on here where a new user has posted info about Nevada State Route 447 turning into Washoe County Route 447 at Gerlach. But without citations, of course that disappeared in typical Wikipedia fashion.
The user who has been trying to contribute that information is my nephew from Reno. I offered to help him collect the right documentation to satisfy the Wikipedian culture. And then I'm sure he'll be more satisfied with the result too.
Let me start with he actually is correct about the signs. I've visited Black Rock 35 times. I can confirm the highway in Gerlach is indeed signed as the end of Nevada State Route 447 and beginning of Washoe County Route 447 on the same signpost. I've seen it more than enough times that I took it for granted. So please go with us that the problem is getting the documentation and how to present it, not a matter of whether the road is actually signed that way.
Unfortunately, Washoe County's web site is a dearth of info on the topic. So I'm thinking that photos of the signs will be a good place to start to document this. I found a useful hint about this in o Google Maps directions through Gerlach showing Hwy 447 going to the California state line. NavTeq actually drives the routes shown in their data - so you can take that as an indication that they observed signs saying 447 all the way to the border.
So that should be useful for anyone who doubted this. It isn't useful as a citation though. I was amused by the comment from an editor from Texas who said Nevada doesn't use this kind of County Route signage. Apparently Washoe County does. Sometimes you need to actually go see a place to know for sure.
So, now that the picture is clearer, let's hear any new suggestions anyone has based on this. Also, I'll help him upload a new shield image to Commons instead of WP. (His first version of it is shown at the right.) I've already got a handful of images up on Commons. But any suggestions from the roadgeeks about how you'd prefer to see that image re-done will be accepted. My only edits on highway pages in this area so far have been to add Nevada State Route 447 and others at Black Rock to the Category:Black Rock Desert category which I created. (I also added an aerial photo to I-580 in California.)
So that's the story... mentoring a new Wikipedian. Ikluft ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, I have the long-awaited photos showing there are indeed signs for Washoe County Route 447 in Gerlach past the end of Nevada State Route 447. The first picture shows the beginning of CR447 but is apparently missing the sign marking the end of SR447. There is an SR447 mile marker visible though. Considering this was less than a week after the end of Burning Man, I suspect one of the 50,000 attendees went home with it as a souvenir. However, the second photo (other side of the street) has both signs for end CR447 and begin SR447. Ikluft ( talk) 19:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I've done a bit more research on this issue. Here's what I've found:
So all this leads me to believe that Route 447 is maintained by the county north of SR 447, and that the CR shields were probably placed by NDOT. It is probably worth expanding on CR 447. Now, the issue is how to integrate both 447 routes, and the historical routings of SR 34 and 81. -- Ljthefro ( talk) 02:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
After searching a long time on the Washoe County website I found a brief statement about pavement costs for CR 447 and CR 34. This a small and settle acknowledgement of the existence of CR 447 by the county on there website. The report can be found here: Department of Public Works Budget Presentation FY 2008‐2009, the statement is on page 14. - Kluft ( talk) 00:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
So now what do we do? Here's my proposal, please advise
The only thing we don't have a source for is where is the northern terminus of the county maintained portion. LJ, did you do enough google street-view snooping to determine where the mileposts for CR 447 stop?
We could implement my ideas above but intentionally leave the northern terminus vague (i.e. just say "near Cedarville"), until a better source is found. Or we could continue to deny Washoe 447's existence until more sources are found. Personally, I think we've found what we're going to find, and should probably proceed with what we have. Dave ( talk) 04:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I applied the facts of SR/CR 447 to the article and the sources to back it up. Hope you like It! Please send any questions to me. The info in this article should not contain any falsehood, I spent a while on this one. Thanks to those who did the field work (photos). - Kluft ( talk) 06:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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There have been a few rounds going on here where a new user has posted info about Nevada State Route 447 turning into Washoe County Route 447 at Gerlach. But without citations, of course that disappeared in typical Wikipedia fashion.
The user who has been trying to contribute that information is my nephew from Reno. I offered to help him collect the right documentation to satisfy the Wikipedian culture. And then I'm sure he'll be more satisfied with the result too.
Let me start with he actually is correct about the signs. I've visited Black Rock 35 times. I can confirm the highway in Gerlach is indeed signed as the end of Nevada State Route 447 and beginning of Washoe County Route 447 on the same signpost. I've seen it more than enough times that I took it for granted. So please go with us that the problem is getting the documentation and how to present it, not a matter of whether the road is actually signed that way.
Unfortunately, Washoe County's web site is a dearth of info on the topic. So I'm thinking that photos of the signs will be a good place to start to document this. I found a useful hint about this in o Google Maps directions through Gerlach showing Hwy 447 going to the California state line. NavTeq actually drives the routes shown in their data - so you can take that as an indication that they observed signs saying 447 all the way to the border.
So that should be useful for anyone who doubted this. It isn't useful as a citation though. I was amused by the comment from an editor from Texas who said Nevada doesn't use this kind of County Route signage. Apparently Washoe County does. Sometimes you need to actually go see a place to know for sure.
So, now that the picture is clearer, let's hear any new suggestions anyone has based on this. Also, I'll help him upload a new shield image to Commons instead of WP. (His first version of it is shown at the right.) I've already got a handful of images up on Commons. But any suggestions from the roadgeeks about how you'd prefer to see that image re-done will be accepted. My only edits on highway pages in this area so far have been to add Nevada State Route 447 and others at Black Rock to the Category:Black Rock Desert category which I created. (I also added an aerial photo to I-580 in California.)
So that's the story... mentoring a new Wikipedian. Ikluft ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, I have the long-awaited photos showing there are indeed signs for Washoe County Route 447 in Gerlach past the end of Nevada State Route 447. The first picture shows the beginning of CR447 but is apparently missing the sign marking the end of SR447. There is an SR447 mile marker visible though. Considering this was less than a week after the end of Burning Man, I suspect one of the 50,000 attendees went home with it as a souvenir. However, the second photo (other side of the street) has both signs for end CR447 and begin SR447. Ikluft ( talk) 19:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I've done a bit more research on this issue. Here's what I've found:
So all this leads me to believe that Route 447 is maintained by the county north of SR 447, and that the CR shields were probably placed by NDOT. It is probably worth expanding on CR 447. Now, the issue is how to integrate both 447 routes, and the historical routings of SR 34 and 81. -- Ljthefro ( talk) 02:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
After searching a long time on the Washoe County website I found a brief statement about pavement costs for CR 447 and CR 34. This a small and settle acknowledgement of the existence of CR 447 by the county on there website. The report can be found here: Department of Public Works Budget Presentation FY 2008‐2009, the statement is on page 14. - Kluft ( talk) 00:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
So now what do we do? Here's my proposal, please advise
The only thing we don't have a source for is where is the northern terminus of the county maintained portion. LJ, did you do enough google street-view snooping to determine where the mileposts for CR 447 stop?
We could implement my ideas above but intentionally leave the northern terminus vague (i.e. just say "near Cedarville"), until a better source is found. Or we could continue to deny Washoe 447's existence until more sources are found. Personally, I think we've found what we're going to find, and should probably proceed with what we have. Dave ( talk) 04:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I applied the facts of SR/CR 447 to the article and the sources to back it up. Hope you like It! Please send any questions to me. The info in this article should not contain any falsehood, I spent a while on this one. Thanks to those who did the field work (photos). - Kluft ( talk) 06:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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