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The first sentence says:
Neo-Ottomanism (Turkish: Yeni Osmanlıcılık) is a political ideology that in its broadest sense, promotes greater engagement with formerly Turkish ruled areas of the Ottoman Empire.
Ottoman Empire was not Turkish ruled. OE was not a nation state, but empire which included a lot of different nations. There were Greeks, Albanians, Serbs,.... who were highly positioned in Ottoman hierarchy. Also, readers could be mislead that Ottoman Empire was divided on areas controlled by ethnic Turks and areas controlled by non-Turks.
Therefore I propose to replace "with formerly Turkish ruled areas of the Ottoman Empire" with "in territories which once belonged to Ottoman Empire".-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 12:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In one lie it clearly states the others opinion that the Turkish are aggressive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.20.86 ( talk) 01:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe because they are?... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.142.220 ( talk) 20:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted this edit [1] on the grounds that it 1) removed a scholarly source (Middle East Critique), 2) is a pretty obvious attempt to sanitize and whitewash the topic, and 3) introduced the absurdity that Neo-Ottomanism is rejected by the Erdogan government, when it is plain as day that is in fact the Erdogan government that is promoting Neo-Ottomanism. Khirurg ( talk) 03:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: Khirurg, I just had to revert Randam for edits which are contentious and lack the necessary consensus [3]. The editor is urged to refrain from further disruption like this as it appear to be an whitewashing attempt of a doctrine for which the international media report to be nationalist, Islamist and expansionist in its core. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 12:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest deletion of anything related to Erdogan and AKP without references in this article. Erdogan and his party AKP was completely against the ideology of Nationalism until its coalition at 2018. [4] [5] [6] BerkBerk68 talk 18:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
While I have other concerns with this article, I know my opinions on this matter are outside academic consensus in some places, so I will simply be pointing out that "Islamist" has been added without discussion or sourcing. We've had this discussion before in the AKP page, and no one has provided good enough sourcing for a claim like this. If the situation is the same here, I do not see a reason why "Islamist" should stay. Uness232 ( talk) 15:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
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The first sentence says:
Neo-Ottomanism (Turkish: Yeni Osmanlıcılık) is a political ideology that in its broadest sense, promotes greater engagement with formerly Turkish ruled areas of the Ottoman Empire.
Ottoman Empire was not Turkish ruled. OE was not a nation state, but empire which included a lot of different nations. There were Greeks, Albanians, Serbs,.... who were highly positioned in Ottoman hierarchy. Also, readers could be mislead that Ottoman Empire was divided on areas controlled by ethnic Turks and areas controlled by non-Turks.
Therefore I propose to replace "with formerly Turkish ruled areas of the Ottoman Empire" with "in territories which once belonged to Ottoman Empire".-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 12:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In one lie it clearly states the others opinion that the Turkish are aggressive — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.20.86 ( talk) 01:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Maybe because they are?... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.142.220 ( talk) 20:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted this edit [1] on the grounds that it 1) removed a scholarly source (Middle East Critique), 2) is a pretty obvious attempt to sanitize and whitewash the topic, and 3) introduced the absurdity that Neo-Ottomanism is rejected by the Erdogan government, when it is plain as day that is in fact the Erdogan government that is promoting Neo-Ottomanism. Khirurg ( talk) 03:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
... a leading international academic publisher committed to facilitating the discovery of pioneering research that enhances and expands the body of knowledge available to the research community. Working in close collaboration with expert researchers and professionals from leading institutions, including Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Harvard University, Stanford University, University of Cambridge, University of Oxford, Tsinghua University, and Australian National University...
Comment: Khirurg, I just had to revert Randam for edits which are contentious and lack the necessary consensus [3]. The editor is urged to refrain from further disruption like this as it appear to be an whitewashing attempt of a doctrine for which the international media report to be nationalist, Islamist and expansionist in its core. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 12:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest deletion of anything related to Erdogan and AKP without references in this article. Erdogan and his party AKP was completely against the ideology of Nationalism until its coalition at 2018. [4] [5] [6] BerkBerk68 talk 18:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
While I have other concerns with this article, I know my opinions on this matter are outside academic consensus in some places, so I will simply be pointing out that "Islamist" has been added without discussion or sourcing. We've had this discussion before in the AKP page, and no one has provided good enough sourcing for a claim like this. If the situation is the same here, I do not see a reason why "Islamist" should stay. Uness232 ( talk) 15:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)