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There's a few grammar issues here. It should be win, not won, when describing their victory at eurovision. 79.154.148.162 ( talk) 09:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Insert their education. Nemo studied one year at ZHDK from 2017, Solo singing in the jazz and pop genres. See video here where Nemo states this themself: https://www.zhdk.ch/meldung/nemo-gewinnt-eurovision-song-contest-2024-7463 Tiankongguangzi ( talk) 15:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. WP:SNOW consensus to not use (rapper). ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 22:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Nemo (rapper) → Nemo (singer) – Article describes Nemo as a rapper and a singer; singer is a broader term so should probably be used here. Note the German article this was translated from no longer uses the term rapper in the title, even as a redirect. GnocchiFan ( talk) 20:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change Nemo's picture to one where he's in the Eurovision Final performing or winning 103.43.82.245 ( talk) 05:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add c:Category:Nemo (rapper) in the external links section. Ahri.boy ( talk) 06:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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At the end of the paragraph under the "Personal life" section please make the following addition:
In 2022, Nemo came out as [[pansexuality|pansexual]] to their partner, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |date=14 May 2024}}</ref>
24.19.232.205 ( talk) 06:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Amend the following under "personal life" from
In 2022, Nemo came out as [[Pansexuality|pansexual]] to their partner, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |date=14 May 2024 |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |archive-date=12 May 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240512023458/https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |url-status=live}}</ref>
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In 2022, Nemo came out as [[Pansexuality|pansexual]] via an [[Instagram]] story,<ref>{{cite news |last1=Linder |first1=Armin T. |title=ESC-Star Nemo ist pansexuell und non-binär: So nahm Freundin das Coming-Out auf |url=https://www.merkur.de/boulevard/nemo-eurovision-song-contest-non-binaer-pansexuell-bedeutung-freundin-schweiz-93069666.html |access-date=14 May 2024 |work=Münchner Merkur |date=14 May 2024}}</ref> and as of 2024 they are still in a relationship with their girlfriend of five years, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |date=14 May 2024 |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |archive-date=12 May 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240512023458/https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |url-status=live}}</ref>
24.19.232.205 ( talk) 21:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Nemo had won the Artistic Award and the Composer Award at the Marcel Bezençon Awards this year ( https://eurovision.tv/story/2024-marcel-bezencon-award-winners). For those who are able to update the article in extended-protected mode, would you be able to update the awards section to add these? Siclika ( talk) 10:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
"...in relationship with their girlfriend of five years." - the wording here is unclear. There is a double meaning: their girlfriend is five years old or the relationship is five years long 85.66.96.255 ( talk) 11:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
…and given the anti-trans vandalism that’s now occurring after unprotection could an admin with eyes on this page please re-protect it? I can’t file a RfPP report as I’m on mobile. Cheers. — ser! ( chat to me - see my edits) 09:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Not only for artists that use stage names but also for people who legally change their names I got used to see in wikipedia biographies statements such as "P was born as Q on the nth of...". Later on in the biography one can typically find "in the year YYYY Q has legally changed his/her name to P". Shouldn't wikipedia make no exception in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.252.149.197 ( talk) 13:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even in quotations, even if reliable sourcing exists. Treat the pre-notability name as a privacy interest separate from (and often greater than) the person's current name. In the case of a living transgender or non-binary person, their birth name or former name (professional name, stage name, or pseudonym) should be included in the lead sentence of their main biographical article only if they were notable under that name. Introduce the prior name with either "born" or "formerly".GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Following on from the above, I see that someone went ahead and changed "Swedish" to "German", giving
I see two problems with this: Firstly, "Momänt" does not appear to be a common German word, it's not in Wiktionary for instance. It seems likely that it's specifically Swiss German, but I don't have any reference for that.
Secondly, the supposed "translation" to "moment kids" doesn't make any sense in English, it's just a word-by-word translation. Contrast the following EP, Fundbüro, translated as "lost property office", not "find office". Google translate suggests the translation "Kids at the moment", which makes a lot more sense - it immediately suggests the phrase " kids these days". Again, though, I don't have a reference confirming that's the understood meaning.
For now, I've removed the parenthetical. Maybe someone knows a good reference for Swiss German that would give us a reliable translation. - IMSoP ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Nemo (rapper) has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
There's a few grammar issues here. It should be win, not won, when describing their victory at eurovision. 79.154.148.162 ( talk) 09:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Insert their education. Nemo studied one year at ZHDK from 2017, Solo singing in the jazz and pop genres. See video here where Nemo states this themself: https://www.zhdk.ch/meldung/nemo-gewinnt-eurovision-song-contest-2024-7463 Tiankongguangzi ( talk) 15:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. WP:SNOW consensus to not use (rapper). ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 22:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Nemo (rapper) → Nemo (singer) – Article describes Nemo as a rapper and a singer; singer is a broader term so should probably be used here. Note the German article this was translated from no longer uses the term rapper in the title, even as a redirect. GnocchiFan ( talk) 20:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change Nemo's picture to one where he's in the Eurovision Final performing or winning 103.43.82.245 ( talk) 05:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add c:Category:Nemo (rapper) in the external links section. Ahri.boy ( talk) 06:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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At the end of the paragraph under the "Personal life" section please make the following addition:
In 2022, Nemo came out as [[pansexuality|pansexual]] to their partner, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |date=14 May 2024}}</ref>
24.19.232.205 ( talk) 06:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Amend the following under "personal life" from
In 2022, Nemo came out as [[Pansexuality|pansexual]] to their partner, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |date=14 May 2024 |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |archive-date=12 May 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240512023458/https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |url-status=live}}</ref>
to
In 2022, Nemo came out as [[Pansexuality|pansexual]] via an [[Instagram]] story,<ref>{{cite news |last1=Linder |first1=Armin T. |title=ESC-Star Nemo ist pansexuell und non-binär: So nahm Freundin das Coming-Out auf |url=https://www.merkur.de/boulevard/nemo-eurovision-song-contest-non-binaer-pansexuell-bedeutung-freundin-schweiz-93069666.html |access-date=14 May 2024 |work=Münchner Merkur |date=14 May 2024}}</ref> and as of 2024 they are still in a relationship with their girlfriend of five years, who was also the first person they came out to as non-binary.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Brügger |first1=Nadine A. |date=14 May 2024 |title=Nemo macht, was Nemo will |url=https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |access-date=11 May 2024 |work=Neue Zürcher Zeitung |archive-date=12 May 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240512023458/https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/gewinnt-nemo-fuer-die-schweiz-den-esc-ld.1825815 |url-status=live}}</ref>
24.19.232.205 ( talk) 21:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Nemo had won the Artistic Award and the Composer Award at the Marcel Bezençon Awards this year ( https://eurovision.tv/story/2024-marcel-bezencon-award-winners). For those who are able to update the article in extended-protected mode, would you be able to update the awards section to add these? Siclika ( talk) 10:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
"...in relationship with their girlfriend of five years." - the wording here is unclear. There is a double meaning: their girlfriend is five years old or the relationship is five years long 85.66.96.255 ( talk) 11:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
…and given the anti-trans vandalism that’s now occurring after unprotection could an admin with eyes on this page please re-protect it? I can’t file a RfPP report as I’m on mobile. Cheers. — ser! ( chat to me - see my edits) 09:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Not only for artists that use stage names but also for people who legally change their names I got used to see in wikipedia biographies statements such as "P was born as Q on the nth of...". Later on in the biography one can typically find "in the year YYYY Q has legally changed his/her name to P". Shouldn't wikipedia make no exception in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.252.149.197 ( talk) 13:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even in quotations, even if reliable sourcing exists. Treat the pre-notability name as a privacy interest separate from (and often greater than) the person's current name. In the case of a living transgender or non-binary person, their birth name or former name (professional name, stage name, or pseudonym) should be included in the lead sentence of their main biographical article only if they were notable under that name. Introduce the prior name with either "born" or "formerly".GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Following on from the above, I see that someone went ahead and changed "Swedish" to "German", giving
I see two problems with this: Firstly, "Momänt" does not appear to be a common German word, it's not in Wiktionary for instance. It seems likely that it's specifically Swiss German, but I don't have any reference for that.
Secondly, the supposed "translation" to "moment kids" doesn't make any sense in English, it's just a word-by-word translation. Contrast the following EP, Fundbüro, translated as "lost property office", not "find office". Google translate suggests the translation "Kids at the moment", which makes a lot more sense - it immediately suggests the phrase " kids these days". Again, though, I don't have a reference confirming that's the understood meaning.
For now, I've removed the parenthetical. Maybe someone knows a good reference for Swiss German that would give us a reliable translation. - IMSoP ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)