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The article is very well written with excellent prose, well cited, and mostly meets the manual of style and city guidelines. I believe it is mostly in compliance with the Good Article criteria, with one exception, completeness. The history section kind of leaves the reader hanging somewhere int he 1920s and 1930s, so there's about 70-80 years to fill in here. How did the city transition from a small farming community to a commuter town?
The governance section is overall good, but who's the chief executive of the city (mayor, city manager, etc)?
Not too much is said about the overall culture of the inhabitants. I would expect to see a culture section with information on this, as well as on annual cultural events & fairs, and other information. You could probably move the 'landmarks' section into 'culture' as a subsection, since they're generally cultural attractions.
What about local media? Is there a daily newspaper? Any radio or TV stations?
Infrastructure? Where is electricity generated? What is the town's water source? Healthcare institutions? Possibly move 'transport' into an 'infrastructure' section and add the missing information.
Other than this, the article looks very good. I think it can be promoted once the completeness issues are resolved. I'll put this on hold at WP:GAN until February 2, 2008, or until the issues are resolved. Dr. Cash ( talk) 23:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in responding here. I've been very busy last week and had to go out of town for a few days due to a family issue. The way I see the article currently, it meets the GA criteria for an article on a small town or village, and is in compliance with WP:MOS and other guidelines. The only issue that remains is the history section, which still just stops in the 1930s and says nothing about the economic and social development of the population in the last 70-80 years, which is a significant chunk of time. Once this single issue is resolved, the article can be promoted (no need to take this to WP:GAR). Cheers! Dr. Cash ( talk) 22:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Article meets the GA criteria and will be listed. Congrats! (sorry for the delay). Dr. Cash ( talk) 18:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I've nominated this article for featured article status. The review is found Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Neilston. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I know this tends to bring large volumes of traffic and queries. For convenience, the featured version prior to TFA is here. -- Jza84 | Talk 11:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand there are a lot of them but all of them are MSPs that represent Neilston I believe all them should be mentioned or none at all with just a link to the constituency/region. -- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 23:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
That description, visible on the main page, is incorrect, as any glance at a map would demonstrate. "Near Paisley and Glasgow" would be better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.225.195 ( talk) 07:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I see there has been some "discussion" about whether the place name should also be given in Gaelic. This has been discused more generally, for example at [2]. It seems to me that if Neilston was ever called Baile Nèill and that this was subsequently anglicised, to put the Gaelic is appropriate. If however the name has "always" been Neilston and it is merely that this can be translated into Gaelic as Baile Nèill, then this information is not appropriate to the article. I'm amused at the thought of Coldstream being called an t-Alltan Fuar but, looking at its article now, I see that some thoughtful person has instead translated the name into Scots where it is, let me get this right, Coldstream. Thincat ( talk) 10:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally I doubt that all the English place names given cite sources but the Gaelic form was researched by Iain Mac an Tàilleir by the Scottish Place Name Society. You can find a reference on the searchable database at the Gaelic college's website http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/faclair/sbg/lorg.php if you search for Neilston and select Faic Tùsan (View Sources). And frankly, this "Gaelic isn't spoken here" argument is as tired and spurious as it was the first time someone used it on Wiki. The dodo doesn't exist anymore either, but I can't hear anyone shouting to delete the article. Akerbeltz 12:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PS: And New York is Nua Eabhrac in Gaelic and has been for more than half a century.
The college database simply is the outlet, they did not research this material. Dr Taylor is, amongst other things, the authority who provides the Scottish Parliament/Government with lists of the official Gaelic forms of Scottish place names. Their sources are second to none, if you ever care to call in the their HQ in Edinburgh. Why does Gaelic prefer Baile to Clachan here? I don't know, I didn't research the name, I just added the info :b Why oh why do we have to keep having this argument over Gaelic place names on Scottish pages... I have never come across this problem on any of the Welsh, Manx or Cornish pages. Even pages about places in Northern Ireland cite the Irish forms. Why is it only certain people feeling possessive about Scottish articles who have to come up with this thing all the time? Akerbeltz 16:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PS: as far as no one in the area speaking Gaelic or using the place name, I did a quick search and it would appear that Baile Nèill was happy enough to hold the cèilidh of the Clann Gàidhlig organisation ( http://www.clanngaidhlig.org/gaidhlig/events.asp - look in the Càite column). So now we have reliable sourcer AND popular usage? Time to relent I think. Akerbeltz 18:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The logic here escapes me a little but let's leave it at that :) Clachan may be used in Scots/Lallans but it's a clear loan from Gaelic. Clachan derives from clach 'stone' + -an, a diminutive suffix. It ultimately derives from Old Irish clochán, a reference to the old monastic stone cells, so technically a "monastic settlement" originally. Similar in derivation to all the Cill place names (cill < Lat. cella, which in the day of the Gael meant a hermit's cell and latterly church). Akerbeltz 18:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I looked in the IPA articles and the Scottish Gaelic article, and could find no reference to an IPA b (or any other consonant) with a superscript circle. Does anyone know where one can find out about this b, which is given in the IPA for the Scottish Gaelic place name of this town? Thanks! Dveej ( talk) 23:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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The article is very well written with excellent prose, well cited, and mostly meets the manual of style and city guidelines. I believe it is mostly in compliance with the Good Article criteria, with one exception, completeness. The history section kind of leaves the reader hanging somewhere int he 1920s and 1930s, so there's about 70-80 years to fill in here. How did the city transition from a small farming community to a commuter town?
The governance section is overall good, but who's the chief executive of the city (mayor, city manager, etc)?
Not too much is said about the overall culture of the inhabitants. I would expect to see a culture section with information on this, as well as on annual cultural events & fairs, and other information. You could probably move the 'landmarks' section into 'culture' as a subsection, since they're generally cultural attractions.
What about local media? Is there a daily newspaper? Any radio or TV stations?
Infrastructure? Where is electricity generated? What is the town's water source? Healthcare institutions? Possibly move 'transport' into an 'infrastructure' section and add the missing information.
Other than this, the article looks very good. I think it can be promoted once the completeness issues are resolved. I'll put this on hold at WP:GAN until February 2, 2008, or until the issues are resolved. Dr. Cash ( talk) 23:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in responding here. I've been very busy last week and had to go out of town for a few days due to a family issue. The way I see the article currently, it meets the GA criteria for an article on a small town or village, and is in compliance with WP:MOS and other guidelines. The only issue that remains is the history section, which still just stops in the 1930s and says nothing about the economic and social development of the population in the last 70-80 years, which is a significant chunk of time. Once this single issue is resolved, the article can be promoted (no need to take this to WP:GAR). Cheers! Dr. Cash ( talk) 22:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Article meets the GA criteria and will be listed. Congrats! (sorry for the delay). Dr. Cash ( talk) 18:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a note that I've nominated this article for featured article status. The review is found Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Neilston. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I know this tends to bring large volumes of traffic and queries. For convenience, the featured version prior to TFA is here. -- Jza84 | Talk 11:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand there are a lot of them but all of them are MSPs that represent Neilston I believe all them should be mentioned or none at all with just a link to the constituency/region. -- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 23:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
That description, visible on the main page, is incorrect, as any glance at a map would demonstrate. "Near Paisley and Glasgow" would be better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.225.195 ( talk) 07:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I see there has been some "discussion" about whether the place name should also be given in Gaelic. This has been discused more generally, for example at [2]. It seems to me that if Neilston was ever called Baile Nèill and that this was subsequently anglicised, to put the Gaelic is appropriate. If however the name has "always" been Neilston and it is merely that this can be translated into Gaelic as Baile Nèill, then this information is not appropriate to the article. I'm amused at the thought of Coldstream being called an t-Alltan Fuar but, looking at its article now, I see that some thoughtful person has instead translated the name into Scots where it is, let me get this right, Coldstream. Thincat ( talk) 10:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally I doubt that all the English place names given cite sources but the Gaelic form was researched by Iain Mac an Tàilleir by the Scottish Place Name Society. You can find a reference on the searchable database at the Gaelic college's website http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/faclair/sbg/lorg.php if you search for Neilston and select Faic Tùsan (View Sources). And frankly, this "Gaelic isn't spoken here" argument is as tired and spurious as it was the first time someone used it on Wiki. The dodo doesn't exist anymore either, but I can't hear anyone shouting to delete the article. Akerbeltz 12:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PS: And New York is Nua Eabhrac in Gaelic and has been for more than half a century.
The college database simply is the outlet, they did not research this material. Dr Taylor is, amongst other things, the authority who provides the Scottish Parliament/Government with lists of the official Gaelic forms of Scottish place names. Their sources are second to none, if you ever care to call in the their HQ in Edinburgh. Why does Gaelic prefer Baile to Clachan here? I don't know, I didn't research the name, I just added the info :b Why oh why do we have to keep having this argument over Gaelic place names on Scottish pages... I have never come across this problem on any of the Welsh, Manx or Cornish pages. Even pages about places in Northern Ireland cite the Irish forms. Why is it only certain people feeling possessive about Scottish articles who have to come up with this thing all the time? Akerbeltz 16:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
PS: as far as no one in the area speaking Gaelic or using the place name, I did a quick search and it would appear that Baile Nèill was happy enough to hold the cèilidh of the Clann Gàidhlig organisation ( http://www.clanngaidhlig.org/gaidhlig/events.asp - look in the Càite column). So now we have reliable sourcer AND popular usage? Time to relent I think. Akerbeltz 18:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The logic here escapes me a little but let's leave it at that :) Clachan may be used in Scots/Lallans but it's a clear loan from Gaelic. Clachan derives from clach 'stone' + -an, a diminutive suffix. It ultimately derives from Old Irish clochán, a reference to the old monastic stone cells, so technically a "monastic settlement" originally. Similar in derivation to all the Cill place names (cill < Lat. cella, which in the day of the Gael meant a hermit's cell and latterly church). Akerbeltz 18:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I looked in the IPA articles and the Scottish Gaelic article, and could find no reference to an IPA b (or any other consonant) with a superscript circle. Does anyone know where one can find out about this b, which is given in the IPA for the Scottish Gaelic place name of this town? Thanks! Dveej ( talk) 23:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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