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There is inaccurate infomation that Neil Turbin was only on the one Anthrax album "Fistful Of Metal". This is false information. His songs and vocals are on Soldiers Of Metal 45 released in 1983, Compilations Hell Comes To Your House released by Music For Nations in 1984, Armed And Dangerous released in 1985, Spreading The Disease released in 1986. Fistful Of Anthrax released in 1987 on Polystar Records. This information paints a false picture of the truth and these are just a small portion of the Anthrax releases with Neil Turbin. Due to the rigid standards of Wikipedia and uptightness of Wiki Police Editors and Bots, it appears that slander, libel and misinformation reigns supreme on Wiki, versus allowing someone to correct the inaccuracies and misperceptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.85.46 ( talk) 02:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I have tidied & cleaned a bit; clearly there is more to do. I have added Fact templates, mostly to remind myself of what to look up, not to make the thing look unreferenced.
The question of whether Turbin was the original vocalist for Anthrax is probably not going to make someone happy. If anyone has proof that he was, please show it (cite the reference) before changing it. At the moment, i have gone by the Anthrax article and the List of Anthrax band members, both of which indicate that he was not orignal, but that at least John Connelly and Dirk Kennedy were prior members & vocalists. I will continue to revert, unless a ciation is provided otherwise. Cheers, Lindsay 14:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This section has been copied and slightly reformatted from User talk:Thrashiq. Cheers, Lindsay 14:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Please read the talk page before reverting to your statement he's the original vocalist. This needs verification, especially since it can be shown he was not. Thank you. Cheers, Lindsay 07:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=368 http://www.metal-rules.com/zine/content/view/779/0/
End of cutandpaste section.
Why Peter Fleet do you revert information that is innacurate, unfounded and false about power thrash vocalist Neil Turbin, original singer of Anthrax who sang on Fistful Of Metal, Armed and Dangerous (2 songs Soldiers Of Metal and Howling Furies). How do you know he was fired. Were you there. Do you know there are conflicting reports of the circumstances. Perhaps you spoke with Neil Turbin and know information that everyone else didn't know. Your editing changes are under the auspice of truth and fact when you have the facts wrong and you are pretending to be neutral but your jagged opinion is anything but neutral. So much for the Wikipedia Neutral Policeman that you are perpetrating. Please do not Vandalize the Neil Turbin Wikipedia page with your false information. Neil Turbin is a power vocalist. He is different than the singers of all of the big 4 bands of THrash: Anthrax, Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrashiq ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In a certain Neil Turbin interview around the release of his album under the band Deathriders, he mentions the process of a band member vote through which Dan Lilker was fired from Anthrax. Turbin goes on to say that Scott Ian felt responsible for the decision, and personally told Dan Lilker his exclusion from the band through a phonecall. Now, getting back to Neil Turbin, he does not mention the reasons for being fired, but says he later got a call from Scott Ian and that was the end. Ok, I found the link;
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=24485
" Metal-Rules.com: Is it really true that you fired Dan Lilker back in the day?
Neil Turbin: No, not at all. No one gave me the keys to the kingdom, I wasn't in charge of ANTHRAX and never had that kind of decision-making power over the rest of the band. We were a band on a record label, so no, I didn't have that kind of control over the band. No one died and left me in charge. It was a band decision and not my personal decision. The label and management were behind the bands decision to replace Dan Lilker. There were four members in the band and the three other than myself could've outvoted me, if they wanted to. Scott called Dan Lilker and broke the news to him. Scott called me the same exact way. That was before they invented email. They just used me as a scapegoat after I was out of the band. If they wanted him so badly, why didn't they invite him back to rejoin the band when they had the chance? "
Now, I would love to weigh the balance of this story with Scott's account of the events, but I have no luck with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.120.143 ( talk) 16:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
This article has a long history of peacocking and POV pushing. The subject of the article itself is barely passable of WP:BIO and is only present because of his participation in a notable band. A participation which was extremely brief and barely a footnote in that band's entire biography now. It would appear as though the article has been puffed out with loose citations and content from either the subject of the article himself... or someone extremely close to him who wants to make a fanpage of of an encyclopedia article which, had this person not been in Anthrax, he would not even have an article at all. Mr Pyles ( talk) 01:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Facts about Turbin's history, as well as definitive pictures seem to have been removed from this page in what appears to be vandalism. It appears that based on the users history that there are other instances of wiki-abuse and vandalism on other artists pages. The page should be returned to the factual data as posted on January 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audibility ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
The preceding has been cutandpasted from an earlier section where it had inappropriately been stuck. Cheers, Lindsay Hello 19:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I keep trying to clean up the article, particularly the Anthrax section, but my edits keep being reverted and disregarded as vandalism. However, I find many issues in the edit it's being reverted back to:
"Neil Turbin (born December 24, 1963) is an American thrash metal vocalist known for being the [1] original Anthrax singer on Fistful Of Metal and 45 first single Soldiers Of Metal released in 1983 and the first full-time vocalist for American band Anthrax and current lead vocalist and songwriter of the heavy metal band DeathRiders. [2] [3]" The lead section as it stands above basically says "he is known for being a former lead singer of Anthrax and a former lead singer of Anthrax" The editor(s) is/are desperately trying to prove that he is the original lead singer, so it seems. So much that they haven't proof-read their edits and how they flow with the rest of the article. While Turbin seems to have been the first singer for the band to have a permanent role, I am still very on the edge about Turbin being referred to as the ORIGINAL singer. It gives the impression to me that he is a founding member despite joining the band over a year after its formation. Before Turbin, Anthrax has John Conelly (a roadie who auditioned for a period of time) and Jason Rosenfeld (Scott Ian's brother who filled in as singer).
Also, it isn't necessary to list all the releases he appeared on with the band in the lead section. That's like if someone tried to claim Paul Di'Anno was the original lead singer of Iron Maiden by listing the two studio albums he appeared on and all the singles/EPs in his lead section. That kind of thing belongs in a "discography" section of all places.
The "Anthrax" section in this edit is very messy and disorganised and is in one big paragraph. The section seems to repeat certain pieces of information multiple times throughout, and also lacks chronological order here and there. (I have attempted to resolve these issues in my edits) For example, the section begins with "Turbin was the original Anthrax vocalist" and later we read "Turbin was an original member of Anthrax," as well as there being multiple mentions that he performed on "Fistful of Metal".
Whilst the book "Metallica: The Frayed Ends of Metal" is well cited, the quotation from it reads "“Ultimately to become New York’s greatest contribution to the Thrash Metal scene, the original members of Anthrax were Neil Turbin, guitarist Scott Ian, a guitarist recruited from Overkill named Dan Spitz, bassist Dan Lilker and drummer Charlie Benante." I'm not really sure what the significance of this quotation is, as it claims that Dan Spitz and Charlie Benante were original members as well as Turbin, which they were not. Also, if the book is primarily about Metallica, it's bound to contain mistakes about other bands it may only briefly cover.
Whilst we're on the subject of Neil Turbin's status as "original singer", mentioning that he was on all of the early demos doesn't exactly prove this. That's like saying Keith Moon was the original drummer of The Who and not Doug Sandom, just because Keith Moon played on all of the early demos too.
Hopefully the guy who keeps reverting my edits will read this and understand why I keep changing it back to my revision of the article.
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I removed this content as the source is an interview with Turbin himself. Not a reliable source. Spacecowboy420 ( talk) 11:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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There is inaccurate infomation that Neil Turbin was only on the one Anthrax album "Fistful Of Metal". This is false information. His songs and vocals are on Soldiers Of Metal 45 released in 1983, Compilations Hell Comes To Your House released by Music For Nations in 1984, Armed And Dangerous released in 1985, Spreading The Disease released in 1986. Fistful Of Anthrax released in 1987 on Polystar Records. This information paints a false picture of the truth and these are just a small portion of the Anthrax releases with Neil Turbin. Due to the rigid standards of Wikipedia and uptightness of Wiki Police Editors and Bots, it appears that slander, libel and misinformation reigns supreme on Wiki, versus allowing someone to correct the inaccuracies and misperceptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.85.46 ( talk) 02:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I have tidied & cleaned a bit; clearly there is more to do. I have added Fact templates, mostly to remind myself of what to look up, not to make the thing look unreferenced.
The question of whether Turbin was the original vocalist for Anthrax is probably not going to make someone happy. If anyone has proof that he was, please show it (cite the reference) before changing it. At the moment, i have gone by the Anthrax article and the List of Anthrax band members, both of which indicate that he was not orignal, but that at least John Connelly and Dirk Kennedy were prior members & vocalists. I will continue to revert, unless a ciation is provided otherwise. Cheers, Lindsay 14:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This section has been copied and slightly reformatted from User talk:Thrashiq. Cheers, Lindsay 14:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Please read the talk page before reverting to your statement he's the original vocalist. This needs verification, especially since it can be shown he was not. Thank you. Cheers, Lindsay 07:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=368 http://www.metal-rules.com/zine/content/view/779/0/
End of cutandpaste section.
Why Peter Fleet do you revert information that is innacurate, unfounded and false about power thrash vocalist Neil Turbin, original singer of Anthrax who sang on Fistful Of Metal, Armed and Dangerous (2 songs Soldiers Of Metal and Howling Furies). How do you know he was fired. Were you there. Do you know there are conflicting reports of the circumstances. Perhaps you spoke with Neil Turbin and know information that everyone else didn't know. Your editing changes are under the auspice of truth and fact when you have the facts wrong and you are pretending to be neutral but your jagged opinion is anything but neutral. So much for the Wikipedia Neutral Policeman that you are perpetrating. Please do not Vandalize the Neil Turbin Wikipedia page with your false information. Neil Turbin is a power vocalist. He is different than the singers of all of the big 4 bands of THrash: Anthrax, Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrashiq ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In a certain Neil Turbin interview around the release of his album under the band Deathriders, he mentions the process of a band member vote through which Dan Lilker was fired from Anthrax. Turbin goes on to say that Scott Ian felt responsible for the decision, and personally told Dan Lilker his exclusion from the band through a phonecall. Now, getting back to Neil Turbin, he does not mention the reasons for being fired, but says he later got a call from Scott Ian and that was the end. Ok, I found the link;
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=24485
" Metal-Rules.com: Is it really true that you fired Dan Lilker back in the day?
Neil Turbin: No, not at all. No one gave me the keys to the kingdom, I wasn't in charge of ANTHRAX and never had that kind of decision-making power over the rest of the band. We were a band on a record label, so no, I didn't have that kind of control over the band. No one died and left me in charge. It was a band decision and not my personal decision. The label and management were behind the bands decision to replace Dan Lilker. There were four members in the band and the three other than myself could've outvoted me, if they wanted to. Scott called Dan Lilker and broke the news to him. Scott called me the same exact way. That was before they invented email. They just used me as a scapegoat after I was out of the band. If they wanted him so badly, why didn't they invite him back to rejoin the band when they had the chance? "
Now, I would love to weigh the balance of this story with Scott's account of the events, but I have no luck with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.120.143 ( talk) 16:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
This article has a long history of peacocking and POV pushing. The subject of the article itself is barely passable of WP:BIO and is only present because of his participation in a notable band. A participation which was extremely brief and barely a footnote in that band's entire biography now. It would appear as though the article has been puffed out with loose citations and content from either the subject of the article himself... or someone extremely close to him who wants to make a fanpage of of an encyclopedia article which, had this person not been in Anthrax, he would not even have an article at all. Mr Pyles ( talk) 01:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Facts about Turbin's history, as well as definitive pictures seem to have been removed from this page in what appears to be vandalism. It appears that based on the users history that there are other instances of wiki-abuse and vandalism on other artists pages. The page should be returned to the factual data as posted on January 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audibility ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
The preceding has been cutandpasted from an earlier section where it had inappropriately been stuck. Cheers, Lindsay Hello 19:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I keep trying to clean up the article, particularly the Anthrax section, but my edits keep being reverted and disregarded as vandalism. However, I find many issues in the edit it's being reverted back to:
"Neil Turbin (born December 24, 1963) is an American thrash metal vocalist known for being the [1] original Anthrax singer on Fistful Of Metal and 45 first single Soldiers Of Metal released in 1983 and the first full-time vocalist for American band Anthrax and current lead vocalist and songwriter of the heavy metal band DeathRiders. [2] [3]" The lead section as it stands above basically says "he is known for being a former lead singer of Anthrax and a former lead singer of Anthrax" The editor(s) is/are desperately trying to prove that he is the original lead singer, so it seems. So much that they haven't proof-read their edits and how they flow with the rest of the article. While Turbin seems to have been the first singer for the band to have a permanent role, I am still very on the edge about Turbin being referred to as the ORIGINAL singer. It gives the impression to me that he is a founding member despite joining the band over a year after its formation. Before Turbin, Anthrax has John Conelly (a roadie who auditioned for a period of time) and Jason Rosenfeld (Scott Ian's brother who filled in as singer).
Also, it isn't necessary to list all the releases he appeared on with the band in the lead section. That's like if someone tried to claim Paul Di'Anno was the original lead singer of Iron Maiden by listing the two studio albums he appeared on and all the singles/EPs in his lead section. That kind of thing belongs in a "discography" section of all places.
The "Anthrax" section in this edit is very messy and disorganised and is in one big paragraph. The section seems to repeat certain pieces of information multiple times throughout, and also lacks chronological order here and there. (I have attempted to resolve these issues in my edits) For example, the section begins with "Turbin was the original Anthrax vocalist" and later we read "Turbin was an original member of Anthrax," as well as there being multiple mentions that he performed on "Fistful of Metal".
Whilst the book "Metallica: The Frayed Ends of Metal" is well cited, the quotation from it reads "“Ultimately to become New York’s greatest contribution to the Thrash Metal scene, the original members of Anthrax were Neil Turbin, guitarist Scott Ian, a guitarist recruited from Overkill named Dan Spitz, bassist Dan Lilker and drummer Charlie Benante." I'm not really sure what the significance of this quotation is, as it claims that Dan Spitz and Charlie Benante were original members as well as Turbin, which they were not. Also, if the book is primarily about Metallica, it's bound to contain mistakes about other bands it may only briefly cover.
Whilst we're on the subject of Neil Turbin's status as "original singer", mentioning that he was on all of the early demos doesn't exactly prove this. That's like saying Keith Moon was the original drummer of The Who and not Doug Sandom, just because Keith Moon played on all of the early demos too.
Hopefully the guy who keeps reverting my edits will read this and understand why I keep changing it back to my revision of the article.
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I removed this content as the source is an interview with Turbin himself. Not a reliable source. Spacecowboy420 ( talk) 11:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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