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Hook is interesting and article looks good. One question I have is that in the lead it says He also spent a periods as Travelodge's, which appears to be a mistake to me and should say "period". Earwig's is clean. —Panamitsu(talk) 09:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Not seeing any evidence of leaving and then returning, so changed to "a period".--Launchballer 09:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
NPOV
@
Launchballer and
Panamitsu: an IP editor has requested removal of the article at
Wikipedia:Help desk#Neil Sean. I have read the article and his main claim to fame seems to be the criticism from Dave Gorman, which makes it difficult to write an neutral article. Possibly an AfD nomination per
WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE would be appropriate.
TSventon (
talk) 11:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A journalist who broadcasts every day and who appeared on
Fox News as recently as last month as a pundit is not a non-public figure, and
this is pure vandalism. We should not be entertaining an obvious troll.--Launchballer 13:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Apologies, the link should have been
WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I think the IP is has raised a valid issue about NPOV, even though they should not have vandalised the article and are now blocked. About half of the body of the article is sourced to
Dave Gorman: Modern Life Is Goodish, and more to an interview with Dave Gorman. That is probably undue weight, especially as MLIG is a comedy programme and Gorman does not like Sean.
TSventon (
talk) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That's a fairer point, although given that Modern Life is Goodish would have gone through a production company's lawyers and the channel's lawyers (as evidenced by the section beginning "Gorman also questioned"), I personally don't think it matters that it's a comedy programme, it's RS by all other measures. I'm pretty sure I'm only using him for attributed opinion and descriptions of work contents, and I've included other opinions for all three of the works he had reviewed - which bits would you cut? (I should probably ping
PrimalMustelid, given they've just promoted this for DYK.)--Launchballer 16:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree that everything Gorman said will have been checked by lawyers, but my inclination would be to remove Gorman's comedy as a source. You could ask at
WP:RSN, but I searcheded their archive for comedy and
Jayron32 said "Comedy and satire sites are not even sources. It's fiction." see
diff.
TSventon (
talk) 19:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, Modern Life is Goodish is much better than that. This is more a lecture that happens to be funny, I need longer to think of a more accurate comparison before I head to the Noticeboard.--Launchballer 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics is used as a reference for
Hippolyta, but arguably Haynes is a subject matter expert.
TSventon (
talk) 19:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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Hook is interesting and article looks good. One question I have is that in the lead it says He also spent a periods as Travelodge's, which appears to be a mistake to me and should say "period". Earwig's is clean. —Panamitsu(talk) 09:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Not seeing any evidence of leaving and then returning, so changed to "a period".--Launchballer 09:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
NPOV
@
Launchballer and
Panamitsu: an IP editor has requested removal of the article at
Wikipedia:Help desk#Neil Sean. I have read the article and his main claim to fame seems to be the criticism from Dave Gorman, which makes it difficult to write an neutral article. Possibly an AfD nomination per
WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE would be appropriate.
TSventon (
talk) 11:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A journalist who broadcasts every day and who appeared on
Fox News as recently as last month as a pundit is not a non-public figure, and
this is pure vandalism. We should not be entertaining an obvious troll.--Launchballer 13:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Apologies, the link should have been
WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I think the IP is has raised a valid issue about NPOV, even though they should not have vandalised the article and are now blocked. About half of the body of the article is sourced to
Dave Gorman: Modern Life Is Goodish, and more to an interview with Dave Gorman. That is probably undue weight, especially as MLIG is a comedy programme and Gorman does not like Sean.
TSventon (
talk) 15:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That's a fairer point, although given that Modern Life is Goodish would have gone through a production company's lawyers and the channel's lawyers (as evidenced by the section beginning "Gorman also questioned"), I personally don't think it matters that it's a comedy programme, it's RS by all other measures. I'm pretty sure I'm only using him for attributed opinion and descriptions of work contents, and I've included other opinions for all three of the works he had reviewed - which bits would you cut? (I should probably ping
PrimalMustelid, given they've just promoted this for DYK.)--Launchballer 16:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree that everything Gorman said will have been checked by lawyers, but my inclination would be to remove Gorman's comedy as a source. You could ask at
WP:RSN, but I searcheded their archive for comedy and
Jayron32 said "Comedy and satire sites are not even sources. It's fiction." see
diff.
TSventon (
talk) 19:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah, Modern Life is Goodish is much better than that. This is more a lecture that happens to be funny, I need longer to think of a more accurate comparison before I head to the Noticeboard.--Launchballer 19:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics is used as a reference for
Hippolyta, but arguably Haynes is a subject matter expert.
TSventon (
talk) 19:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply