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Robertson is NOT the first Australian to win the title. Horace Lindrum won it in 1952. Robertson is the first Australian to win it at the Crucible. Xowets ( talk) 00:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Or you could keep it in and add/change the wording to. 1st offical Aussie world Champ, after Lindrum's unoffical win in 1952. Keeps everyone happy and the reader more informed. But i would like to see a source for the unoffical claim KnowIG 00:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
What you referenced there doesn't even prove your point. 'Often ignored' and 'not officially recognised' are not the same thing at all. Therefore, whether you like it or not, Horace Lindrum IS the official World Professional Snooker Champion for 1952. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I've appended "in the modern era". While Horace Lindrum's win is often discounted it is factually incorrect to state Robertson is the first Australian ever to win it. Similarly with Hendry, he is often regarded as holding the record for championship wins but in actual fact Joe davis, but most snooker commentators only tend to go by the records of the modern era these days. Betty Logan ( talk) 00:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The reference says first Australian world champion, don't remove references, and sections without explanation. Armbrust Talk Contribs 00:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't abide by Betty Logan's logic (about the commentators only mentioning the modern game) because all tournament they've been talking about how close Eddie Charlton was to winning it, and his chances came before the 'modern' era of the Embassy sponsorship and the Crucible. 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ignore that, I wrote it thinking you were agreeing with Armbrust. 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
As an aside his mother in her listing as the secretary of his limited company lists her nationality as British. Might he have an Australian father and a British mother albeit he was obviously born in Australia, brought up there and identifies as Australian. 2A02:8084:255D:9380:400F:8F63:9355:4494 ( talk) 21:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
This still seems to be confusing some people. When the BBC refer to "overseas" players, they mean outside of the UK. Ireland is split into two parts - Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK while the Republic is not, and the players from the Republic are classed as "overseas" players in the BBC terminology. In that sense Ken Doherty from the Republic is classed as an "overseas" while Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor are not, despite then having to cross the same sea to compete.
In the modern game since 1969 (when the knock-out format was introduced and all pros were eligible to enter) there have been three overseas winners i.e. three non-UK champions: Thorburn, Doherty and now Robertson. Since Snooker is considered a British and Irish game, sometimes when referring to international winners "international" usually refers to players outside of the UK and the Republic of Ireland.
When pundits and journalists refer to Robertson as the third overseas/foreigner/international player they mean non-UK, and if they refer to him as the second overseas/foreigner/international player they are obviously excluding Ireland from that category. It's important to be clear on this and perhaps avoid confusing terminology.
Resricting the context to the modern game avoids the Horace Lindrum issue. In regards to this, while the WPBSA generally ignores his win it is important to note that this is a point of view and the fact remains he did win it - much of the Australian press for instance are reporting that Robertson is the second Australian to win it. It is not our place to adopt a stance on this issue, but to clearly report the facts as they are: Lindrum won it, but due to a dispute between the players and the governing body an alternative tournament was established and Lindrum's win is often disregarded by other professionals. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC) Whatever the Australian media may say, snooker players here in Australia are quite content with the "modern era" qualifier that excludes Horace Lindrum. Anyone who knows anything about the game here has a lot of respect for Lindrum as a player, but knows that his world title was almost embarrassingly trivial under the circumstances. 138.217.153.239 ( talk) 11:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
While Armbrust has provided a citation to the use of "Melbourne Machine" and "Aussie Ace" [note it was "ace" in the citation], these are not nickname but merely ephermeral titles invented either by a journalist or by an online website looking business. "The Thunder from Down Under" is Robertason's widely known nickname and the only one for this article. bigpad ( talk) 09:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The article contains a number of contradictions in the use of "season" and "year". The "Performance and rankings timeline" table lists seasons while "Tournament finals" lists years. Why don't you replace 'year' with 'season' in the latter, to make the information clear? From the info. in the second table, it was perfectly understandablwe why I wrote Robertson had won a ranking event title every year since 2006 bigpad ( talk) 09:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Th current BBC reference that's being warred over actually uses the words "British Isles" and not "United Kingdom and Ireland". So in fact we should, and I will, correct the text. We are often told the text does not match the reference, and that we must adhere to what the reference says, so I hope we have agreement here; using words other than those in the reference is original research. LevenBoy ( talk) 19:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
this says UK and Ireland. This link is dead and was reverted by LevenBoy which is just a blind revert. They then another blind revert. Here is another blind revert. Please do not disrupt the page to make a point. -- Domer48 'fenian' 21:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, your source says The 28-year-old is the first player from outside the UK and Ireland to win the world title since Canadian Cliff Thorburn's victory in 1980.. So tell me, how does that equate to the current edit-warred-out text of His fourth title makes Robertson the most successful player from outside the British Isles in ranking tournaments. ?
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Seems to me, the majority wishs to use UK and Ireland. GoodDay ( talk) 06:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
-GoodDay, your interjections are worthless and irritating, just go away. They also often result - as here - in edit conflicts. LemonMonday Talk 06:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I looked over the 2 sources-in-question (numbers 6 & 7), the former uses British Isles & the latter UK and Ireland. I'm gonna break my neutrality here & recommend using British Isles next to source #6; UK and Ireland next to source #7. Another option would be to dump one of the 2 sources.
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Could you add this "| Century break = 159", to the infobox. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 11:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone remove the statement that he is the current world champion? John Higgins won the 2011 championship. It would be pretty lame to leave such a glaring error in the intro for three more days because of the squabble above. Alex Middleton ( talk) 21:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
The article mentions that he became a top 32 player in the 2004/5 season, he didn't it was the 2005/06 season that became a top 32 player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 ( talk) 02:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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I want to rename this page " Neil Robertson" over the existing disambiguation page which only has two entries, one of which is a little-known mathematician who is getting barely 10 views per day. The snooker player is clearly the primary topic, with well over 1,000 views per day. This suggestion was brought up on the dab talk page several months ago by KnightMove but I've only just come across it myself. So if no-one objects, I can go ahead and do it in the next day or two (unless anyone else beats me to it). Cheers. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 16:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Done
He acknowledged that he was addicted to video games (to escape from the pressure) and that it seriously impacted his performance after his first World Championship: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/21/neil-robertson-says-video-game-addiction-damaged-snooker-career El Pantera ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Robertson is NOT the first Australian to win the title. Horace Lindrum won it in 1952. Robertson is the first Australian to win it at the Crucible. Xowets ( talk) 00:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Or you could keep it in and add/change the wording to. 1st offical Aussie world Champ, after Lindrum's unoffical win in 1952. Keeps everyone happy and the reader more informed. But i would like to see a source for the unoffical claim KnowIG 00:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
What you referenced there doesn't even prove your point. 'Often ignored' and 'not officially recognised' are not the same thing at all. Therefore, whether you like it or not, Horace Lindrum IS the official World Professional Snooker Champion for 1952. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I've appended "in the modern era". While Horace Lindrum's win is often discounted it is factually incorrect to state Robertson is the first Australian ever to win it. Similarly with Hendry, he is often regarded as holding the record for championship wins but in actual fact Joe davis, but most snooker commentators only tend to go by the records of the modern era these days. Betty Logan ( talk) 00:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The reference says first Australian world champion, don't remove references, and sections without explanation. Armbrust Talk Contribs 00:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't abide by Betty Logan's logic (about the commentators only mentioning the modern game) because all tournament they've been talking about how close Eddie Charlton was to winning it, and his chances came before the 'modern' era of the Embassy sponsorship and the Crucible. 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ignore that, I wrote it thinking you were agreeing with Armbrust. 195.195.128.84 ( talk) 00:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
As an aside his mother in her listing as the secretary of his limited company lists her nationality as British. Might he have an Australian father and a British mother albeit he was obviously born in Australia, brought up there and identifies as Australian. 2A02:8084:255D:9380:400F:8F63:9355:4494 ( talk) 21:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
This still seems to be confusing some people. When the BBC refer to "overseas" players, they mean outside of the UK. Ireland is split into two parts - Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland is part of the UK while the Republic is not, and the players from the Republic are classed as "overseas" players in the BBC terminology. In that sense Ken Doherty from the Republic is classed as an "overseas" while Alex Higgins and Dennis Taylor are not, despite then having to cross the same sea to compete.
In the modern game since 1969 (when the knock-out format was introduced and all pros were eligible to enter) there have been three overseas winners i.e. three non-UK champions: Thorburn, Doherty and now Robertson. Since Snooker is considered a British and Irish game, sometimes when referring to international winners "international" usually refers to players outside of the UK and the Republic of Ireland.
When pundits and journalists refer to Robertson as the third overseas/foreigner/international player they mean non-UK, and if they refer to him as the second overseas/foreigner/international player they are obviously excluding Ireland from that category. It's important to be clear on this and perhaps avoid confusing terminology.
Resricting the context to the modern game avoids the Horace Lindrum issue. In regards to this, while the WPBSA generally ignores his win it is important to note that this is a point of view and the fact remains he did win it - much of the Australian press for instance are reporting that Robertson is the second Australian to win it. It is not our place to adopt a stance on this issue, but to clearly report the facts as they are: Lindrum won it, but due to a dispute between the players and the governing body an alternative tournament was established and Lindrum's win is often disregarded by other professionals. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC) Whatever the Australian media may say, snooker players here in Australia are quite content with the "modern era" qualifier that excludes Horace Lindrum. Anyone who knows anything about the game here has a lot of respect for Lindrum as a player, but knows that his world title was almost embarrassingly trivial under the circumstances. 138.217.153.239 ( talk) 11:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
While Armbrust has provided a citation to the use of "Melbourne Machine" and "Aussie Ace" [note it was "ace" in the citation], these are not nickname but merely ephermeral titles invented either by a journalist or by an online website looking business. "The Thunder from Down Under" is Robertason's widely known nickname and the only one for this article. bigpad ( talk) 09:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The article contains a number of contradictions in the use of "season" and "year". The "Performance and rankings timeline" table lists seasons while "Tournament finals" lists years. Why don't you replace 'year' with 'season' in the latter, to make the information clear? From the info. in the second table, it was perfectly understandablwe why I wrote Robertson had won a ranking event title every year since 2006 bigpad ( talk) 09:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Th current BBC reference that's being warred over actually uses the words "British Isles" and not "United Kingdom and Ireland". So in fact we should, and I will, correct the text. We are often told the text does not match the reference, and that we must adhere to what the reference says, so I hope we have agreement here; using words other than those in the reference is original research. LevenBoy ( talk) 19:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
this says UK and Ireland. This link is dead and was reverted by LevenBoy which is just a blind revert. They then another blind revert. Here is another blind revert. Please do not disrupt the page to make a point. -- Domer48 'fenian' 21:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, your source says The 28-year-old is the first player from outside the UK and Ireland to win the world title since Canadian Cliff Thorburn's victory in 1980.. So tell me, how does that equate to the current edit-warred-out text of His fourth title makes Robertson the most successful player from outside the British Isles in ranking tournaments. ?
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Seems to me, the majority wishs to use UK and Ireland. GoodDay ( talk) 06:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
-GoodDay, your interjections are worthless and irritating, just go away. They also often result - as here - in edit conflicts. LemonMonday Talk 06:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I looked over the 2 sources-in-question (numbers 6 & 7), the former uses British Isles & the latter UK and Ireland. I'm gonna break my neutrality here & recommend using British Isles next to source #6; UK and Ireland next to source #7. Another option would be to dump one of the 2 sources.
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Could you add this "| Century break = 159", to the infobox. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 11:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone remove the statement that he is the current world champion? John Higgins won the 2011 championship. It would be pretty lame to leave such a glaring error in the intro for three more days because of the squabble above. Alex Middleton ( talk) 21:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
The article mentions that he became a top 32 player in the 2004/5 season, he didn't it was the 2005/06 season that became a top 32 player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 ( talk) 02:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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I want to rename this page " Neil Robertson" over the existing disambiguation page which only has two entries, one of which is a little-known mathematician who is getting barely 10 views per day. The snooker player is clearly the primary topic, with well over 1,000 views per day. This suggestion was brought up on the dab talk page several months ago by KnightMove but I've only just come across it myself. So if no-one objects, I can go ahead and do it in the next day or two (unless anyone else beats me to it). Cheers. Rodney Baggins ( talk) 16:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Done
He acknowledged that he was addicted to video games (to escape from the pressure) and that it seriously impacted his performance after his first World Championship: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/21/neil-robertson-says-video-game-addiction-damaged-snooker-career El Pantera ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)