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@ Saladin1987: Regarding your edits and points raised :
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delhi kayasthas are punjabi kayasthas- That's WP:OR. Non of the sources mention any specific community "Punjabi" with "Kayastha". Most of the time the sources say Kayastha from Delhi.
Even your Hindustan times source doesn't say Punjabi Kayastha
Neil Nitin Mukesh said, “It is brilliant to see the family getting together. I’d like to call the big fat family get together rather than the big fat Punjabi family. It all just feels like a family holiday.”
Well delhi is home to majority Punjabis, Also why would news reporter report him as a Punjabi if he was not one. Although i agree, majority of Hindus dont brag about their castes and i think we can write kayastha or Gujarati and Punjabi origin or we can just mention kayastha and mention punjabi people and gujarati people in the category. Also there are severa sources which mention kayastha but kayastha are bengali, punjabi and gujarati all of whom are completely different to each other. We can have kayastha family in the early life and add both punjabi people and gujarati people in category . What do you say — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Also why would news reporter report him as a Punjabi if he was not one-
"I'm pretty sure that the community at WT:IN prefers that caste labels for living people come from self-identification. Some people, like Amitabh Bachchan have rejected being labeled as part of a caste, and trying to derive caste based on surnames constitutes original research."
Neil Nitin Mukesh didn't explicitly say anything like "I am a Punjabi" like for example in Sanjay Leela Bhansali article's source [4] where Mr. Bhansali has said he's Gujarati clearly. As well as the fact that the word "Punjabi" in HT source is rather ambiguous as explained in my last post. We need to find a a better source which similar to Bhansali's one. I am removing Punjabi because of ambiguity and unreliability. Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 14:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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I don't think a person's food habits is relevant to their "Personal Life". Fylindfotberserk gave an example of Eric Bana's article which states his hobbies and interests but none of them mention his food habits.
This article discussing his food habits is also from a decade ago. As per Wikipedia's policy on Biographies of Living Persons - "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information" and this content seems to serve no purpose other than to make the subject appear more "Gujarati". UserGK23 ( talk) 13:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
He follows a mostly Gujarati lifestyle at home, and eats Gujarati food such as vatanu shaak, rotli, daal and kadhi for lunch and dinner and frequently attends dandia-raas." had been removed which is a bigger dispute here. According to the other user, it is "misleading" and a ploy "to make the subject appear more Gujarati" about which we already had an extensive discussion at my talkpage (copied above in the Collapse Box). However, Neil Nitin Mukesh's food habits and love of Dandia is declared by himself as per this source : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/I-stripped-completely-Neil/articleshow/5065194.cms.
@ Bradv: Hi, regarding this removal, the caste is not contested, rather it is the order in which the castes are written in the article, with which the IP has problems. The video source comes from a reliable news agency India Today and the person'e father self-identifies the castes (in that particular order), which is an important policy for Indian BLP articles as per WP:INB. Note that article faced similar POV push to remove/downplay the person's Gujarati ancestry in the past by sock master User:Karkanistan and their sock User:UserGK23 as evident in the talk page discussion Talk:Neil Nitin_Mukesh#The subjects food habits and interest in Gujarati folk dance.
Also note
Cyphoidbomb's comment above. his exact words I'm not clear on what specifically is the dispute, since the diffs linked above appear to focus on the order of Mathur and Gujarati. I don't see any legitimate rationale for flipping Mathur and Gujarati. It seems like run-of-the-mill ethnic-warring nonsense and/or patriarchial bias.
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@ Saladin1987: Regarding your edits and points raised :
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YouTube: YouTube and other video-sharing sites are generally not considered reliable sources because anyone can create or manipulate a video clip and upload without editorial oversight, just as with a self-published website. However, official channels of notable organisations, such as Monty Python's channel, may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed, or as a secondary source if they can be trace to a reliable publisher. Videos may also be used as a convenience link for material originally published elsewhere. In all cases, care should be undertaken to ensure that the video is genuinely authorised by the copyright holder. Be careful not to link to material that is a copyright violation. In general, unless the video is clearly marked as "official" with a name strongly identified with the notable publisher or source, best practice is to treat it as a copyright violation and not use it.
delhi kayasthas are punjabi kayasthas- That's WP:OR. Non of the sources mention any specific community "Punjabi" with "Kayastha". Most of the time the sources say Kayastha from Delhi.
Even your Hindustan times source doesn't say Punjabi Kayastha
Neil Nitin Mukesh said, “It is brilliant to see the family getting together. I’d like to call the big fat family get together rather than the big fat Punjabi family. It all just feels like a family holiday.”
Well delhi is home to majority Punjabis, Also why would news reporter report him as a Punjabi if he was not one. Although i agree, majority of Hindus dont brag about their castes and i think we can write kayastha or Gujarati and Punjabi origin or we can just mention kayastha and mention punjabi people and gujarati people in the category. Also there are severa sources which mention kayastha but kayastha are bengali, punjabi and gujarati all of whom are completely different to each other. We can have kayastha family in the early life and add both punjabi people and gujarati people in category . What do you say — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Also why would news reporter report him as a Punjabi if he was not one-
"I'm pretty sure that the community at WT:IN prefers that caste labels for living people come from self-identification. Some people, like Amitabh Bachchan have rejected being labeled as part of a caste, and trying to derive caste based on surnames constitutes original research."
Neil Nitin Mukesh didn't explicitly say anything like "I am a Punjabi" like for example in Sanjay Leela Bhansali article's source [4] where Mr. Bhansali has said he's Gujarati clearly. As well as the fact that the word "Punjabi" in HT source is rather ambiguous as explained in my last post. We need to find a a better source which similar to Bhansali's one. I am removing Punjabi because of ambiguity and unreliability. Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 14:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Copying discussion from User talk:Fylindfotberserk
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I don't think a person's food habits is relevant to their "Personal Life". Fylindfotberserk gave an example of Eric Bana's article which states his hobbies and interests but none of them mention his food habits.
This article discussing his food habits is also from a decade ago. As per Wikipedia's policy on Biographies of Living Persons - "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information" and this content seems to serve no purpose other than to make the subject appear more "Gujarati". UserGK23 ( talk) 13:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
He follows a mostly Gujarati lifestyle at home, and eats Gujarati food such as vatanu shaak, rotli, daal and kadhi for lunch and dinner and frequently attends dandia-raas." had been removed which is a bigger dispute here. According to the other user, it is "misleading" and a ploy "to make the subject appear more Gujarati" about which we already had an extensive discussion at my talkpage (copied above in the Collapse Box). However, Neil Nitin Mukesh's food habits and love of Dandia is declared by himself as per this source : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/I-stripped-completely-Neil/articleshow/5065194.cms.
@ Bradv: Hi, regarding this removal, the caste is not contested, rather it is the order in which the castes are written in the article, with which the IP has problems. The video source comes from a reliable news agency India Today and the person'e father self-identifies the castes (in that particular order), which is an important policy for Indian BLP articles as per WP:INB. Note that article faced similar POV push to remove/downplay the person's Gujarati ancestry in the past by sock master User:Karkanistan and their sock User:UserGK23 as evident in the talk page discussion Talk:Neil Nitin_Mukesh#The subjects food habits and interest in Gujarati folk dance.
Also note
Cyphoidbomb's comment above. his exact words I'm not clear on what specifically is the dispute, since the diffs linked above appear to focus on the order of Mathur and Gujarati. I don't see any legitimate rationale for flipping Mathur and Gujarati. It seems like run-of-the-mill ethnic-warring nonsense and/or patriarchial bias.
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Fylindfotberserk (
talk)
14:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion.Once there is consensus among the editors here that the information is relevant and properly sourced, and there's an agreed-upon wording, it can be added back in. You can use {{ fper}} to make that request, or just ping me and I can do it. – bradv 🍁 14:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)