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Reviewer: Jalapeño ( talk · contribs) I'll take this one. 11:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Thus, I am quickfailing this good article review.
Hello @ Alaexis! According to the reviewer, the article failed GA because "[it] is poorly written and contains many grammatical errors. The aftermath section is especially badly written, without including anything from the Russian perspective, just the Ingush perspective." I couldn't really find those errors so I was thinking if you could spot them? Also, do you too think that the aftermath section just includes the "Ingush perspective"? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 10:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Asilvering ( talk · contribs) 22:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. I plan to get to this by this weekend. --
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The Nazran uprising is known by various names...are these all "neutral" names? Or do any of them have any particular connotation? "Nazran outrage" in particular seems to me to imply some kind of point of view. If they're all just used basically interchangeably, fair enough. But it would be good to mention what kinds of people use which names, if there are any that align with any particular point of view or personal identity. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During the early 19th century, Ingush people formed small villages on the plains with several families in each.It would be helpful here to have a half-sentence or maybe a whole sentence that gives a bit more context. Who are the Ingush? Where are they from? When and how did this become part of the Russian Empire? Whatever you like, really, to give more context for why the Russian Empire is trying to control this population in the first place. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During the early 19th century, the Ingush, a Caucasian people, formed small villages on the plains with several families in each? It looks kind of out of place. WikiEditor 123… 08:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush, are a people who mainly inhabit Ingushetia, today a republic in Russia.[1] Prior to the uprising, Russia had carried out military expeditions to Ingushetia like the 1830 expedition [ru] of General Ivan Abkhazov and the 1832 expedition of Baron Georgi Rozen.[2]. Is it now good? WikiEditor 123… 08:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
after having been displaced earlier in the conflictshould be changed to
beginning in 1845, Russian authorities displaced Ingush and built Cossack stanitsas on the site of their former villages in order to construct the Sunzha linebecause the construction of the villages in plain Ingushetia took place earlier than the eviction (for instance, Nazran, now a town, was founded in 1780s; Achaluki in 1820s). Best regards, WikiEditor 123… 14:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
This did not comply with Russian Empire's planswere these plans that Russia had in mind for just the Ingush, or was this part of a bigger program? If the former, why? If the latter, can you give a bit of information about it? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
According to reports of Russian officials, the forcible consolidation of villages, and the organized census. Soviet Russian historian Nikolai Pokrovsky [ru] disagreed with this version,This is a bit unclear, can you take another look at the grammar here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
were the reasons for the uprising, now it's clear. WikiEditor 123… 08:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Soviet Russian? WikiEditor 123… 08:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The uprising may also have been caused by a ban on carrying knives., now we're talking about a different meaning of "cause" - the catalyst, not the underlying reason. So this bit ought to go into the next section with the specific discussion of the census. Or you could just remove it entirely, I suppose (I don't think it's as important to mention as all the broad-picture stuff).
To prevent a uprising, the bailiff asked...it sounds like there's already an uprising in progress at this point. Reword? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
To prevent the escalation of the uprising. WikiEditor 123… 08:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Zotov ordered the local Nazranian foremen to calm the people but they no longer controlled the situation.Can you go into a bit more detail here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On 25 May, Ingush of Russian officer ranks appeared to Pavel Zotov, who wanted to send to the rebellious people to have influential people in the disorderly crowd and "should speak in his favor".grammar also gets confused in here, can you take another look? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On 25 May, Ingush of Russian officer ranks appeared before Pavel Zotov, who wanted to send them to the crowds of rebellious Ingush so that they could influence the rebels in his favor. WikiEditor 123… 08:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
that they did not know the uprising's provokers and would not extradite themdo you mean "that they did not know who provoked the uprising"? If so, say that. But I'm not sure how this accords with
four leaders of the movement as hostages, where it seems we know exactly who they are? Were the leaders not the inciters? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian troops repulsed the attackers with artillery and rifle fire.No mention of casualties. Were there any? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The uprising affected neighboring Ingush societies that were also were raising movements.More context needed here. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On May 28, the Khamkhins held a public meeting to provide assistance to the Nazranians; they invited the Feappii and Dzherakh but these societies did not attend the meeting. At the same time, according to one Russian report, "a huge party of disobedient people stands not far from the village of Tsorins".WikiEditor 123… 09:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
At the same time, according to one Russian report, "a huge party of disobedient people stands not far from the village of Tsorins".In what way is this related to the Khamkhins? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The uprising affected neighboring Ingush societies that were also were raising movements. WikiEditor 123… 09:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush uprising was led by the Chandyr ArchakovWhat is a Chandyr? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
the, Chandyr Archakov is a name. WikiEditor 123… 09:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush uprising was led by...There's a list of people here, but we don't know anything about them and they're not wikilinked. Can you give a little bit of background on who these people are and why they're leading this uprising? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
three mento the sentence. WikiEditor 123… 08:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Shamil replied to the letter with an appeal, calling for them to join his army.So Shamil already had an army before the Nazran uprising? Can you give more context on this please? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Naib Sabdulla Gekhinskiylike the others above, can we get some more info here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
and offered to hand over the amanatsrather than hiding the meaning in a footnote, could you explain it in the main text? It would also be helpful to explain why these hostages existed in the first place.-- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian forces gathered two divisions, six battalions, fourteen companies, sixteen Cossack ten, twenty-two cavalry, and foot-and-mountain guns.How many people is this? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
By taking advantage of the movement of the Nazranians and Galashians, Shamil invaded Chechnya.unclear what this means -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
movementto
uprising, now it's clearer. WikiEditor 123… 14:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Shamil had insufficient supplies and the Nazranians did not provide him with any.why? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During Shamil’s retreat, some of the Nazranians, mainly from the Temirkhanov family, pursued and crushed his rearguard.same question. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
with 600 Alagir, and Kurtat, the Ossetian militia and 200 of the mountain Cossack regiment, which were force-marched to Vladikavkaz.can we get context/numbers for these groups too? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian troops simultaneously occupied the subject territories from the retreating forcesI have no idea what this means. Clarify? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
According to Shamil, he was called by Mussa Kundukhov [ru], the commander of the Voeynno-Ossetinskiy okrug, promising to act in cooperation.same issue. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
which marked the conquest of Ingushetia by the Russian EmpireHang on, I thought it was already conquered by the Russians, which is why they could demand the local people be moved into settlements in the first place? Can you give a bit more explanation here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Bekhoev escaped...Any chance you can say more about this? How did he escape? Where did he go? etc -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Thirty-two people were each sentenced to 1,000 blows with gauntletsI've never heard of this particular punishment. Can you explain? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Thirty-two people were each sentenced to 1,000 times running the gauntlet. Is that now clear? WikiEditor 123… 08:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The rebels' defeat may have saved them from more serious events.I think I understand what this paragraph is trying to say, but I'm not sure. Can you try to clarify it some? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
There are two main concerns relevant here. First, I do not think this is written for an appropriately broad audience. This is a problem for 1a. In short, the concepts and people introduced in the article do not always have enough context to explain them for someone who is not already deeply familiar with the topic. In some cases, this doesn't need much - just a few words to explain who an individual is, and so on. Most of these issues are raised above. In others, more explanation broadly would really help the article. In this case I'm talking about general context about Russia and the Caucasus. The grammar has been improved over the course of this review, so "well-written" in that sense is not the issue.
Second, and much more concerning, is the
WP:V issues. I earlier asked for clarification on a number of points, such as the meaning of a "Cossack ten" or whether there were any casualties. When I went to the sources as part of my source check, I found that, rather than "no mention in the sources", the answers were right there. This made me seriously concerned about the overall factual basis of the article. I am especially concerned that I asked about the meaning of "Cossack ten", was told it was A military formation of Cossacks numbering ten.
, but then found that the word in the source was
Sotnia -- which does not mean "ten", and in this particular context has a particular meaning. The article needs to be very carefully revised to ensure that it is factually accurate. If this is resubmitted for GA in the future, I recommend that the future reviewer check the sources very carefully. --
asilvering (
talk)
04:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Nazran uprising was nominated as a Warfare good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (June 26, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
Nazran uprising was nominated as a Warfare good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (October 9, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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Reviewer: Jalapeño ( talk · contribs) I'll take this one. 11:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Thus, I am quickfailing this good article review.
Hello @ Alaexis! According to the reviewer, the article failed GA because "[it] is poorly written and contains many grammatical errors. The aftermath section is especially badly written, without including anything from the Russian perspective, just the Ingush perspective." I couldn't really find those errors so I was thinking if you could spot them? Also, do you too think that the aftermath section just includes the "Ingush perspective"? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 10:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Asilvering ( talk · contribs) 22:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. I plan to get to this by this weekend. --
asilvering (
talk)
22:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The Nazran uprising is known by various names...are these all "neutral" names? Or do any of them have any particular connotation? "Nazran outrage" in particular seems to me to imply some kind of point of view. If they're all just used basically interchangeably, fair enough. But it would be good to mention what kinds of people use which names, if there are any that align with any particular point of view or personal identity. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During the early 19th century, Ingush people formed small villages on the plains with several families in each.It would be helpful here to have a half-sentence or maybe a whole sentence that gives a bit more context. Who are the Ingush? Where are they from? When and how did this become part of the Russian Empire? Whatever you like, really, to give more context for why the Russian Empire is trying to control this population in the first place. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During the early 19th century, the Ingush, a Caucasian people, formed small villages on the plains with several families in each? It looks kind of out of place. WikiEditor 123… 08:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush, are a people who mainly inhabit Ingushetia, today a republic in Russia.[1] Prior to the uprising, Russia had carried out military expeditions to Ingushetia like the 1830 expedition [ru] of General Ivan Abkhazov and the 1832 expedition of Baron Georgi Rozen.[2]. Is it now good? WikiEditor 123… 08:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
after having been displaced earlier in the conflictshould be changed to
beginning in 1845, Russian authorities displaced Ingush and built Cossack stanitsas on the site of their former villages in order to construct the Sunzha linebecause the construction of the villages in plain Ingushetia took place earlier than the eviction (for instance, Nazran, now a town, was founded in 1780s; Achaluki in 1820s). Best regards, WikiEditor 123… 14:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
This did not comply with Russian Empire's planswere these plans that Russia had in mind for just the Ingush, or was this part of a bigger program? If the former, why? If the latter, can you give a bit of information about it? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
According to reports of Russian officials, the forcible consolidation of villages, and the organized census. Soviet Russian historian Nikolai Pokrovsky [ru] disagreed with this version,This is a bit unclear, can you take another look at the grammar here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
were the reasons for the uprising, now it's clear. WikiEditor 123… 08:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Soviet Russian? WikiEditor 123… 08:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The uprising may also have been caused by a ban on carrying knives., now we're talking about a different meaning of "cause" - the catalyst, not the underlying reason. So this bit ought to go into the next section with the specific discussion of the census. Or you could just remove it entirely, I suppose (I don't think it's as important to mention as all the broad-picture stuff).
To prevent a uprising, the bailiff asked...it sounds like there's already an uprising in progress at this point. Reword? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
To prevent the escalation of the uprising. WikiEditor 123… 08:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Zotov ordered the local Nazranian foremen to calm the people but they no longer controlled the situation.Can you go into a bit more detail here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On 25 May, Ingush of Russian officer ranks appeared to Pavel Zotov, who wanted to send to the rebellious people to have influential people in the disorderly crowd and "should speak in his favor".grammar also gets confused in here, can you take another look? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On 25 May, Ingush of Russian officer ranks appeared before Pavel Zotov, who wanted to send them to the crowds of rebellious Ingush so that they could influence the rebels in his favor. WikiEditor 123… 08:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
that they did not know the uprising's provokers and would not extradite themdo you mean "that they did not know who provoked the uprising"? If so, say that. But I'm not sure how this accords with
four leaders of the movement as hostages, where it seems we know exactly who they are? Were the leaders not the inciters? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian troops repulsed the attackers with artillery and rifle fire.No mention of casualties. Were there any? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The uprising affected neighboring Ingush societies that were also were raising movements.More context needed here. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
On May 28, the Khamkhins held a public meeting to provide assistance to the Nazranians; they invited the Feappii and Dzherakh but these societies did not attend the meeting. At the same time, according to one Russian report, "a huge party of disobedient people stands not far from the village of Tsorins".WikiEditor 123… 09:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
At the same time, according to one Russian report, "a huge party of disobedient people stands not far from the village of Tsorins".In what way is this related to the Khamkhins? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The uprising affected neighboring Ingush societies that were also were raising movements. WikiEditor 123… 09:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush uprising was led by the Chandyr ArchakovWhat is a Chandyr? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
the, Chandyr Archakov is a name. WikiEditor 123… 09:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ingush uprising was led by...There's a list of people here, but we don't know anything about them and they're not wikilinked. Can you give a little bit of background on who these people are and why they're leading this uprising? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
three mento the sentence. WikiEditor 123… 08:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Shamil replied to the letter with an appeal, calling for them to join his army.So Shamil already had an army before the Nazran uprising? Can you give more context on this please? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Naib Sabdulla Gekhinskiylike the others above, can we get some more info here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
and offered to hand over the amanatsrather than hiding the meaning in a footnote, could you explain it in the main text? It would also be helpful to explain why these hostages existed in the first place.-- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian forces gathered two divisions, six battalions, fourteen companies, sixteen Cossack ten, twenty-two cavalry, and foot-and-mountain guns.How many people is this? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
By taking advantage of the movement of the Nazranians and Galashians, Shamil invaded Chechnya.unclear what this means -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
movementto
uprising, now it's clearer. WikiEditor 123… 14:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Shamil had insufficient supplies and the Nazranians did not provide him with any.why? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
During Shamil’s retreat, some of the Nazranians, mainly from the Temirkhanov family, pursued and crushed his rearguard.same question. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
with 600 Alagir, and Kurtat, the Ossetian militia and 200 of the mountain Cossack regiment, which were force-marched to Vladikavkaz.can we get context/numbers for these groups too? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Russian troops simultaneously occupied the subject territories from the retreating forcesI have no idea what this means. Clarify? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
According to Shamil, he was called by Mussa Kundukhov [ru], the commander of the Voeynno-Ossetinskiy okrug, promising to act in cooperation.same issue. -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
which marked the conquest of Ingushetia by the Russian EmpireHang on, I thought it was already conquered by the Russians, which is why they could demand the local people be moved into settlements in the first place? Can you give a bit more explanation here? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Bekhoev escaped...Any chance you can say more about this? How did he escape? Where did he go? etc -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Thirty-two people were each sentenced to 1,000 blows with gauntletsI've never heard of this particular punishment. Can you explain? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Thirty-two people were each sentenced to 1,000 times running the gauntlet. Is that now clear? WikiEditor 123… 08:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
The rebels' defeat may have saved them from more serious events.I think I understand what this paragraph is trying to say, but I'm not sure. Can you try to clarify it some? -- asilvering ( talk) 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
There are two main concerns relevant here. First, I do not think this is written for an appropriately broad audience. This is a problem for 1a. In short, the concepts and people introduced in the article do not always have enough context to explain them for someone who is not already deeply familiar with the topic. In some cases, this doesn't need much - just a few words to explain who an individual is, and so on. Most of these issues are raised above. In others, more explanation broadly would really help the article. In this case I'm talking about general context about Russia and the Caucasus. The grammar has been improved over the course of this review, so "well-written" in that sense is not the issue.
Second, and much more concerning, is the
WP:V issues. I earlier asked for clarification on a number of points, such as the meaning of a "Cossack ten" or whether there were any casualties. When I went to the sources as part of my source check, I found that, rather than "no mention in the sources", the answers were right there. This made me seriously concerned about the overall factual basis of the article. I am especially concerned that I asked about the meaning of "Cossack ten", was told it was A military formation of Cossacks numbering ten.
, but then found that the word in the source was
Sotnia -- which does not mean "ten", and in this particular context has a particular meaning. The article needs to be very carefully revised to ensure that it is factually accurate. If this is resubmitted for GA in the future, I recommend that the future reviewer check the sources very carefully. --
asilvering (
talk)
04:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)