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Considering that Navenby is mentioned in the Domesday Book and was an Iron Age, Bronze Age and Roman settlement, I think the village deserves a slightly higher importance rating than just 'Low.' Seahamlass 13:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
OK, this is clearly a very well loved article. It is fairly comprehensive and mirrors alot of the advanced features of other articles, however, there are several ways in which this article does not meet its full potential of which I raise the following concerns and set respective challenges:
There are a few other issues but I think these issues should give regular editors more than enough to get their teeth into for a while. I hope this helps rather than hinders. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 15:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor rated this as a B - does that grading now stand? Seahamlass 21:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned about the copyright status of some of these images. A cursory glance at Image:Navenbymeth.jpg shows that is actually from a Crown Copyright image at this Flickr page (that it say Public means it is viewable by the public, not that it is in the public domain). It is not under the Creative Commons licencing and nor is its original author creditted.
Some of the others don't state their source, or have an explicit rationale, whilst the formatting suggests these are from proffessional webspaces. The metadata suggests too that these are from multiple, conflicting sources.
No matter how tempting it is to misappropriate or borrow images, it is illegal and not only will the images be deleted, but accounts can be blocked from editting indefinately. I appreciate this is frustrating (from experience) but it needs addressing with the utmost urgency. Please refer to Wikipedia:Image use policy. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 22:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
To get this article to GA or better the references need to follow the format recommended at Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book etc which in additional to the URL requires title, work & date accessed etc.— Rod talk 16:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
OK - that sounds like fun! Will do it tonight. --Seahamlass 17:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
Thanks Keith - I noticed what you had done and have started doing the same. --Seahamlass 13:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Where a ref is used more than once it can be "named" so that you do not have to enter it twice. Accessdate is not needed for books but published date is. Where as large web site is used eg National statistics the specifric page from which the fact/data came should be used rather then the title page. If you need further help let me know.— Rod talk 19:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
Rodw - I have just spent three hours carrying out the task you suggested. Hopefully the references are all sorted now. The only one I had trouble with was Number one: Research Lincs website. I only used it yesterday, but today it seems to be out of order. A temporary glitch I hope! Seahamlass--Seahamlass 00:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC) Seahamlass 00:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
Hi Rod. Many thanks for your further comments and suggestions on Navenby. Just to let you know that I've corrected the references you pointed out, as well as swapping a Wiki reference for a local council one and adding a reference for the little bit on Lincolnshire accents. I know one editor doesn't want to accent bit included, but I think accent is very relevant to Navenby. The people there are very proud of their Lincolnshire accents and, when I moved there as a child, it took me ages to understand some of the words! There is one reference I didn't change - citing the Navenby.net website. I have referenced this site several times, but always to a different page. I decided not to lump them all together, to make things clearer for people. --Seahamlass 10:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
I'm a little concerned about the scope of the article. There is alot of material that pertains to the county of Lincolnshire, not the village of Navenby. The Linguistics section ought to go as it is not Navenby specific and is unsourced. Simillarly, under Transport there is material about Lincolnshire (lifted almost word-for-word), not Navenby and this needs tackling to improve context.*: Done
Other than that, the next step before WP:GA is a WP:PR. I suspect this would raise objections about some of the weasel words and lack of neutrality; words like "interestingly", "lucky", "sadly" and "peaceful" may breach guidelines on letting facts speak for themselves. This also needs tackling at some point. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
Hi Jza84 - Thanks for taking the time and trouble to help. I have been looking for the words "lucky" and "sadly" to edit out, but can't find them - could you point me in the right direction please? I have also edited the transport section per your suggestions. However, I have to disagree with you on the Linguistics section - which I have now referenced. The Lincolnshire accent is very important to the people of Navenby - they speak it with pride. However, to an outsider, some of the words - like "mardy" do need explaining! --Seahamlass 10:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
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I have placed these reviews here, so I can refer to them as I try and make the imporvements suggested.-- Seahamlass ( talk) 15:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Seahamlass, here are some comments which may help you on your quest for one of those little bronze stars...!
That's a good start for you. Let me know if you need anything more from me. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
In addition to the comments by The Rambling Man, I have a few comments. First of all, a very impressive article and also clearly the subject of a lot of hard work by Seahamlass (over 1000 edits!). So, a few comments:
By the way, this coordinates issue affects the whole of {{ Infobox UK place}} (that is, about 5000 articles). It can and should be much better dealt with by discussing it at the template talk page, since the template currently only permits decimal coordinates. Indeed, this may well affect other place infoboxes.
Anyway, good luck with the ongoing evolution of this article! BigBlueFish ( talk) 20:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I just cleaned up the ref to the source published by the Countryside Commission, and noticed that it doesn't seem to back up the hard figure in the sentence from which it references - that is, the 360 feet of cliff. Is there another reason for this source, and also is there a source to support the height? BigBlueFish ( talk) 16:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I got the 360ft from Google Earth - but couldn't work out how to link to that particular bit. (It was some photos added by someone of the area). I used this reference as it explained quite well how the cliff 'came to be' and also showed a map of the cliff (Southern Lincolnshire Edge), featuring Navenby and showing the cliif was 200-400ft above sea level near the village. After scouring Google, just come across a Bench Mark database, which seems a bit less vague. although the figures are slightly different... Will add it now. Also adding a North Kesteven Council reference to this part of the article.-- Seahamlass ( talk) 16:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Much clearer... just to note that the refs could still be better formed as they are being written. The title should be the title of the work as given by the source, not a descriptive one for Wikipedia. The author and/or publisher should be how they call themselves. If the work is undated, no date field should be given, not an access date. If not all the date is available, use year and month instead as necessary. BigBlueFish ( talk) 19:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is in excellent shape, and is very close to meeting the GA criteria. Quality of prose is excellent, it is adequately cited, images are tagged, there are no NPOV or stability issues.
Once these issues are addressed the article can be promoted to Good article status. Cheers! Dr. Cash ( talk) 19:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This is not directly an issue relevant to the FAC, but it's a shame to lose quite a few pictures altogether, although I agree that removing them has improved the composition of the article. The obvious thing to do, since I believe they are all under free licenses, is to move them all to the commons (should be done anyway really) and adding a {{ commons}} template. BigBlueFish ( talk) 14:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Copied from my talk: BigBlueFish ( talk) 13:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Stress is not indicated. I assume it's on the first syllable? Also, is the second en pronounced as an en, or as an em? kwami ( talk) 23:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
It is highly unlikely that Douglas Bader was ever stationed at RAF Wellingore and unless a definitive source can be found the statement should be removed from the article. Bader's s squadron No. 222 Squadron RAF spent only six weeks in Lincolnshire on rotational rest and recuperation leave from the Battle of Britain but at RAF Digby. There is an outside possibility that he may have landed and taken off from Wellingore once or twice during training flights, but that would not equate to being stationed there. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 20:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Bader's links to Welligore are well documented: [1] and [2] to show but two. Myosotis Scorpioides 09:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
In Navenby#Climate I suppose that 2 ft (610 mm) would be more like it. Peter Horn User talk 19:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
If the section on Mrs Smith's cottage were to become a separate article it could be put in WP:MUSEUMS and in Category:Local museums in Lincolnshire, for example. It would be a nonsense to put the whole village in those projects/categories.-- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 05:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to those maintaining this excellent page, might be an auction, by Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on 9 June 1911 (lots 222 to 229), “The Property of The Rev. J. Hays, deceased, late of Navenby Rectory, Lincoln”. (My pictures 21282/6-7.) JDAWiseman ( talk) 20:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
In Bósa saga ok Herrauðs is to read:
There is, however, no such thing as a former Norseman, mentioned in the sources. Dan Koehl ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Egil Skallagrimsson saga: Björn var farmaður mikill, var stundum í víking, en stundum í kaupferðum; Björn var hinn gervilegasti maður. (english: Björn was a great traveller; sometimes as viking, sometimes as tradesman.
So, a Norseman could be a viking for some time, and he could be a tradesman (or a baker, or a shepherd) for some time. But not all tradesmen, bakers, shepherds and vikings were Norseman.
Norseman spoke norse, but norse vikings did not speak vikingish, and norse shepherds did not speak shepherdish or bakerish.
Norsemen had norse culture, but there was no norse viking, baker or shepherd culture.
I think its important to remind people today about the term Norsemen, an accepted term by historians and archelogists, referring to people from the north, present Scandinavia. This term does not have any certain time limit, the Norsemen were norse in years, 400, 500, 657, 749, 803, 950, 1066 and 1100. Norsemen is a true ethnical group, for some reason neglected on Wikipedia. Whenever the word viking is mentioned, it can correctly be replaced by the term Norsemen in 95% of the cases. Norsemen are described in other Wikipedia languages, and since the english Wikipedia should be written from a global point of view, the term Norse and Norsemen should not be treated different.
The first documented use of the word viking is made by Orosius, written in latin, and translated into old english. There is to read about Alexander the Great´s father, Philip II of Macedonia: Philippus vero post longam obsidionem, ut pecuniam quam obsidendo exhauserat, praedando repararet, piraticam adgressus est. translated into: ac he scipa gegaderade, and i vicingas wurdon. In this time the word pirat was not used in the english language, the latin piraticam was directly translated to vicingus.
Interestingly enough, theres stories in the sagas, describing arabic piates, and they were in the sagas referred to, as vikings. = Vikings could be arabs practising piracy, and vikings could be macedonian kings practising piracy, but peaceful norse farmers, and their wifes, were never, ever, described as vikings before 1900.
For over 1 000 years, viking was nothing else than an old-english translation of the latin word pirate.
A macedonian king will never, ever, become scandinavian. An arabic pirat will never become scandinavian.
But a norseman was scandinavian, and the present scandinavians are descendants of Norsemen, according to historians and archelogists.
The sentence The linguistic contact of the Viking settlers of the Danelaw with the Anglo-Saxons left traces in the English language reflects a very poor knowledge in what viking actually means. As well as poor knowledge in the term Norsemen.
'Viking is a controversial term, Norsemen is not. For some reason, some people absolutely wants to call my ancestors vikings, which is historically incorrect and besides, unpolite. The Scandinavians as a an ethnic group, is more or less the same as Norsemen, Theres no problem whatsoever to use the correct term.
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Considering that Navenby is mentioned in the Domesday Book and was an Iron Age, Bronze Age and Roman settlement, I think the village deserves a slightly higher importance rating than just 'Low.' Seahamlass 13:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
OK, this is clearly a very well loved article. It is fairly comprehensive and mirrors alot of the advanced features of other articles, however, there are several ways in which this article does not meet its full potential of which I raise the following concerns and set respective challenges:
There are a few other issues but I think these issues should give regular editors more than enough to get their teeth into for a while. I hope this helps rather than hinders. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 15:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor rated this as a B - does that grading now stand? Seahamlass 21:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little concerned about the copyright status of some of these images. A cursory glance at Image:Navenbymeth.jpg shows that is actually from a Crown Copyright image at this Flickr page (that it say Public means it is viewable by the public, not that it is in the public domain). It is not under the Creative Commons licencing and nor is its original author creditted.
Some of the others don't state their source, or have an explicit rationale, whilst the formatting suggests these are from proffessional webspaces. The metadata suggests too that these are from multiple, conflicting sources.
No matter how tempting it is to misappropriate or borrow images, it is illegal and not only will the images be deleted, but accounts can be blocked from editting indefinately. I appreciate this is frustrating (from experience) but it needs addressing with the utmost urgency. Please refer to Wikipedia:Image use policy. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 22:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
To get this article to GA or better the references need to follow the format recommended at Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book etc which in additional to the URL requires title, work & date accessed etc.— Rod talk 16:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
OK - that sounds like fun! Will do it tonight. --Seahamlass 17:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
Thanks Keith - I noticed what you had done and have started doing the same. --Seahamlass 13:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Where a ref is used more than once it can be "named" so that you do not have to enter it twice. Accessdate is not needed for books but published date is. Where as large web site is used eg National statistics the specifric page from which the fact/data came should be used rather then the title page. If you need further help let me know.— Rod talk 19:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
Rodw - I have just spent three hours carrying out the task you suggested. Hopefully the references are all sorted now. The only one I had trouble with was Number one: Research Lincs website. I only used it yesterday, but today it seems to be out of order. A temporary glitch I hope! Seahamlass--Seahamlass 00:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC) Seahamlass 00:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
Hi Rod. Many thanks for your further comments and suggestions on Navenby. Just to let you know that I've corrected the references you pointed out, as well as swapping a Wiki reference for a local council one and adding a reference for the little bit on Lincolnshire accents. I know one editor doesn't want to accent bit included, but I think accent is very relevant to Navenby. The people there are very proud of their Lincolnshire accents and, when I moved there as a child, it took me ages to understand some of the words! There is one reference I didn't change - citing the Navenby.net website. I have referenced this site several times, but always to a different page. I decided not to lump them all together, to make things clearer for people. --Seahamlass 10:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
I'm a little concerned about the scope of the article. There is alot of material that pertains to the county of Lincolnshire, not the village of Navenby. The Linguistics section ought to go as it is not Navenby specific and is unsourced. Simillarly, under Transport there is material about Lincolnshire (lifted almost word-for-word), not Navenby and this needs tackling to improve context.*: Done
Other than that, the next step before WP:GA is a WP:PR. I suspect this would raise objections about some of the weasel words and lack of neutrality; words like "interestingly", "lucky", "sadly" and "peaceful" may breach guidelines on letting facts speak for themselves. This also needs tackling at some point. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)*: Done
Hi Jza84 - Thanks for taking the time and trouble to help. I have been looking for the words "lucky" and "sadly" to edit out, but can't find them - could you point me in the right direction please? I have also edited the transport section per your suggestions. However, I have to disagree with you on the Linguistics section - which I have now referenced. The Lincolnshire accent is very important to the people of Navenby - they speak it with pride. However, to an outsider, some of the words - like "mardy" do need explaining! --Seahamlass 10:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass ( talk • contribs)
This article does not seem to be ready for fac.
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I have placed these reviews here, so I can refer to them as I try and make the imporvements suggested.-- Seahamlass ( talk) 15:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Seahamlass, here are some comments which may help you on your quest for one of those little bronze stars...!
That's a good start for you. Let me know if you need anything more from me. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
In addition to the comments by The Rambling Man, I have a few comments. First of all, a very impressive article and also clearly the subject of a lot of hard work by Seahamlass (over 1000 edits!). So, a few comments:
By the way, this coordinates issue affects the whole of {{ Infobox UK place}} (that is, about 5000 articles). It can and should be much better dealt with by discussing it at the template talk page, since the template currently only permits decimal coordinates. Indeed, this may well affect other place infoboxes.
Anyway, good luck with the ongoing evolution of this article! BigBlueFish ( talk) 20:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I just cleaned up the ref to the source published by the Countryside Commission, and noticed that it doesn't seem to back up the hard figure in the sentence from which it references - that is, the 360 feet of cliff. Is there another reason for this source, and also is there a source to support the height? BigBlueFish ( talk) 16:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I got the 360ft from Google Earth - but couldn't work out how to link to that particular bit. (It was some photos added by someone of the area). I used this reference as it explained quite well how the cliff 'came to be' and also showed a map of the cliff (Southern Lincolnshire Edge), featuring Navenby and showing the cliif was 200-400ft above sea level near the village. After scouring Google, just come across a Bench Mark database, which seems a bit less vague. although the figures are slightly different... Will add it now. Also adding a North Kesteven Council reference to this part of the article.-- Seahamlass ( talk) 16:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Much clearer... just to note that the refs could still be better formed as they are being written. The title should be the title of the work as given by the source, not a descriptive one for Wikipedia. The author and/or publisher should be how they call themselves. If the work is undated, no date field should be given, not an access date. If not all the date is available, use year and month instead as necessary. BigBlueFish ( talk) 19:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is in excellent shape, and is very close to meeting the GA criteria. Quality of prose is excellent, it is adequately cited, images are tagged, there are no NPOV or stability issues.
Once these issues are addressed the article can be promoted to Good article status. Cheers! Dr. Cash ( talk) 19:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
This is not directly an issue relevant to the FAC, but it's a shame to lose quite a few pictures altogether, although I agree that removing them has improved the composition of the article. The obvious thing to do, since I believe they are all under free licenses, is to move them all to the commons (should be done anyway really) and adding a {{ commons}} template. BigBlueFish ( talk) 14:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Copied from my talk: BigBlueFish ( talk) 13:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Stress is not indicated. I assume it's on the first syllable? Also, is the second en pronounced as an en, or as an em? kwami ( talk) 23:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
It is highly unlikely that Douglas Bader was ever stationed at RAF Wellingore and unless a definitive source can be found the statement should be removed from the article. Bader's s squadron No. 222 Squadron RAF spent only six weeks in Lincolnshire on rotational rest and recuperation leave from the Battle of Britain but at RAF Digby. There is an outside possibility that he may have landed and taken off from Wellingore once or twice during training flights, but that would not equate to being stationed there. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 20:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Bader's links to Welligore are well documented: [1] and [2] to show but two. Myosotis Scorpioides 09:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
In Navenby#Climate I suppose that 2 ft (610 mm) would be more like it. Peter Horn User talk 19:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
If the section on Mrs Smith's cottage were to become a separate article it could be put in WP:MUSEUMS and in Category:Local museums in Lincolnshire, for example. It would be a nonsense to put the whole village in those projects/categories.-- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 05:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to those maintaining this excellent page, might be an auction, by Messrs. Christie, Manson & Woods, on 9 June 1911 (lots 222 to 229), “The Property of The Rev. J. Hays, deceased, late of Navenby Rectory, Lincoln”. (My pictures 21282/6-7.) JDAWiseman ( talk) 20:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
In Bósa saga ok Herrauðs is to read:
There is, however, no such thing as a former Norseman, mentioned in the sources. Dan Koehl ( talk) 22:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Egil Skallagrimsson saga: Björn var farmaður mikill, var stundum í víking, en stundum í kaupferðum; Björn var hinn gervilegasti maður. (english: Björn was a great traveller; sometimes as viking, sometimes as tradesman.
So, a Norseman could be a viking for some time, and he could be a tradesman (or a baker, or a shepherd) for some time. But not all tradesmen, bakers, shepherds and vikings were Norseman.
Norseman spoke norse, but norse vikings did not speak vikingish, and norse shepherds did not speak shepherdish or bakerish.
Norsemen had norse culture, but there was no norse viking, baker or shepherd culture.
I think its important to remind people today about the term Norsemen, an accepted term by historians and archelogists, referring to people from the north, present Scandinavia. This term does not have any certain time limit, the Norsemen were norse in years, 400, 500, 657, 749, 803, 950, 1066 and 1100. Norsemen is a true ethnical group, for some reason neglected on Wikipedia. Whenever the word viking is mentioned, it can correctly be replaced by the term Norsemen in 95% of the cases. Norsemen are described in other Wikipedia languages, and since the english Wikipedia should be written from a global point of view, the term Norse and Norsemen should not be treated different.
The first documented use of the word viking is made by Orosius, written in latin, and translated into old english. There is to read about Alexander the Great´s father, Philip II of Macedonia: Philippus vero post longam obsidionem, ut pecuniam quam obsidendo exhauserat, praedando repararet, piraticam adgressus est. translated into: ac he scipa gegaderade, and i vicingas wurdon. In this time the word pirat was not used in the english language, the latin piraticam was directly translated to vicingus.
Interestingly enough, theres stories in the sagas, describing arabic piates, and they were in the sagas referred to, as vikings. = Vikings could be arabs practising piracy, and vikings could be macedonian kings practising piracy, but peaceful norse farmers, and their wifes, were never, ever, described as vikings before 1900.
For over 1 000 years, viking was nothing else than an old-english translation of the latin word pirate.
A macedonian king will never, ever, become scandinavian. An arabic pirat will never become scandinavian.
But a norseman was scandinavian, and the present scandinavians are descendants of Norsemen, according to historians and archelogists.
The sentence The linguistic contact of the Viking settlers of the Danelaw with the Anglo-Saxons left traces in the English language reflects a very poor knowledge in what viking actually means. As well as poor knowledge in the term Norsemen.
'Viking is a controversial term, Norsemen is not. For some reason, some people absolutely wants to call my ancestors vikings, which is historically incorrect and besides, unpolite. The Scandinavians as a an ethnic group, is more or less the same as Norsemen, Theres no problem whatsoever to use the correct term.
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