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What's an "archieve"?
-- Newhoggy | Talk 08:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't delude yourself. Certainly at times it was, when there was stagnation in the West, most notebly during the Early Middle Ages and then again at points in the High Middle Ages but you'll find many historians would argue that it was not always the case and it's extremely hard to tell seeing as how the East only came into full contact with the West in the Late Middle Ages and how the maritime conditions were so different. Chinese technological superiority in this area has been greatly exaggerated since the discovery that the West only adopted inventions like fenestrated rudder and sealed compartments relatively late in history. Yet these were minor developments in comparison . If you took the care to look at European and Arabic naval history you'll see that they developed at the same pace. Authors on this subject have little knowledge of maritime technology. What appeals to them are the ideas that are easy to understand, such as rudders and and bulkheads, but little attention is paid to less "sexy" subjects like hull design. Even worse is the fact that most of these authors have an ulterior motive.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 23 March 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Yal256, CaesarinAmerica.
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I just added a new Notes and References section, due to someone putting a June fact check on the Song Dynasty navy being a permanent standing navy in 1132 AD. I was sort of puzzled by this, because the Song Dynasty article already states this with citation, I guess they didn't click the link and read that. In any case, I bothered adding the new sections for the single citation. If anyone wants me to improve this article, please ask, but I am more content with the nautics info I have posted about China in the Technology of the Song Dynasty article.-- PericlesofAthens 16:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Chinese book on the english navy during the qing dynasty
Title 英國水師考: 一卷, Volumes 38-48 Volume 39 of 西學富强叢書: 兵學 英國水師考: 一卷, 鍾天緯 Authors John Fryer, 鍾天緯, 張蔭桓 Publisher 鴻文書局, 1896 Original from Harvard University Digitized Jul 28, 2008
Rajmaan ( talk) 13:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
This reeks of nationalistic and racist propaganda and is full of absurd claims with little to no credible evidence. Is Wikipedia to become the next venue for government-sponsored propaganda, historical revisionism and cultural aggression? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.77.31 ( talk) 01:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Not to minimize John Needham's great work, but this article seems overly dependent on a single source. Out of 18 citations, 16 of them cite the same source. Surely some other sources must also confirm these statements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 21:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Why doesn't the story mention the deliberate destruction of the Chinese navy (mostly by burning the ships) before 1525? Related to the failed attempts to invade Japan, as I recall. The intro of the Article starts by acknowledging it's a long history, but the body says "Not so much." Shanen ( talk) 19:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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What's an "archieve"?
-- Newhoggy | Talk 08:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't delude yourself. Certainly at times it was, when there was stagnation in the West, most notebly during the Early Middle Ages and then again at points in the High Middle Ages but you'll find many historians would argue that it was not always the case and it's extremely hard to tell seeing as how the East only came into full contact with the West in the Late Middle Ages and how the maritime conditions were so different. Chinese technological superiority in this area has been greatly exaggerated since the discovery that the West only adopted inventions like fenestrated rudder and sealed compartments relatively late in history. Yet these were minor developments in comparison . If you took the care to look at European and Arabic naval history you'll see that they developed at the same pace. Authors on this subject have little knowledge of maritime technology. What appeals to them are the ideas that are easy to understand, such as rudders and and bulkheads, but little attention is paid to less "sexy" subjects like hull design. Even worse is the fact that most of these authors have an ulterior motive.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2019 and 23 March 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Yal256, CaesarinAmerica.
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I just added a new Notes and References section, due to someone putting a June fact check on the Song Dynasty navy being a permanent standing navy in 1132 AD. I was sort of puzzled by this, because the Song Dynasty article already states this with citation, I guess they didn't click the link and read that. In any case, I bothered adding the new sections for the single citation. If anyone wants me to improve this article, please ask, but I am more content with the nautics info I have posted about China in the Technology of the Song Dynasty article.-- PericlesofAthens 16:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Chinese book on the english navy during the qing dynasty
Title 英國水師考: 一卷, Volumes 38-48 Volume 39 of 西學富强叢書: 兵學 英國水師考: 一卷, 鍾天緯 Authors John Fryer, 鍾天緯, 張蔭桓 Publisher 鴻文書局, 1896 Original from Harvard University Digitized Jul 28, 2008
Rajmaan ( talk) 13:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
This reeks of nationalistic and racist propaganda and is full of absurd claims with little to no credible evidence. Is Wikipedia to become the next venue for government-sponsored propaganda, historical revisionism and cultural aggression? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.77.31 ( talk) 01:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Not to minimize John Needham's great work, but this article seems overly dependent on a single source. Out of 18 citations, 16 of them cite the same source. Surely some other sources must also confirm these statements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 21:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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Why doesn't the story mention the deliberate destruction of the Chinese navy (mostly by burning the ships) before 1525? Related to the failed attempts to invade Japan, as I recall. The intro of the Article starts by acknowledging it's a long history, but the body says "Not so much." Shanen ( talk) 19:03, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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