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To the anon editor: If we must list related people there must be some logic to it. Adding the Chamorro people - just one people out of the many Micronesian peoples who are related, albeit distantly, to Polynesians and therefore to Hawaiians, is not justifiable. Why single out the Chamorro for special mention? Kahuroa ( talk) 10:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Do any statistics exist on the percent of Native Hawaiians in each religious category? If so, they should be put into the Demographics section. Duoduoduo ( talk) 14:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a reference to King Kalakaua's "Legends and Myths of Hawai'i" about Pa'ao. That work never mentions that Pa'ao was from Samoa and Pili (Piri in Tahitian) is also a well known chief from Ra'iatea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.13 ( talk) 04:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
With at least one exception, this article does not capitalize the "n" in "N/native Hawaiian" (except of course in the name of an organization or at the start of a sentence). Maybe I missed it, but I can't find any previous discussion of this. In standard English orthography, names of ethnic groups are fully capitalized: Italian American, Inuit, American Indian, Native Hawaiian, etc. Without the capital N, it conventionally means someone who was born in a place: native South Carolinian, etc. I think it should be changed everywhere in the article to N. I'll leave it to you guys who frequent this page to consider this. Duoduoduo ( talk) 17:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Isn't the number of figures in the infobox a bit excessive? Also there are too many royals. It downplays the role other non-royal Hawaiians played in history merely to promote people were royals but did very little. Many of the monarchs and kuhina nui (except Keoni Ana not included) shown here impact Hawaiian history in their own ways but it doesn't mean every one of them should be included. I don't think John Papa Īī should be included since compare to Malo and Kamakau his fame is minimal. And Henry Opukahaia, more notable than many here is not even included. Nor is Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole.
I think the list should balance between royal and non-royal, different areas of fame, and having equal distributions throughout history with the goal number of twelve at most ( Native Americans in the United States has twelve too):
-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no consensus that I can find to limit the royals in the info box. Sorry, but the idea of such a limitation when there is something like 1500 years of history where the only notable figures are basically the aliʻi. Also, the infobox seems to give undue weight to the Kalakaua Dynasty which lasted less than twenty years compared to nearly 80 years of the Kamehamehas, so I am removing Liliuokalani. As the last monarch that is certainly note worthy but inclusion over, say Kamehameha III? He wrote the first constitution, created the Great Mahele and had the longest reign of any Hawaiian Monarch.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 10:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Na Lani Eha, the Patrons of Hawaiian culture, were not only giants in the field of Hawaiian music but form the very cornerstones of subsequent Hawaiian culture and arts, and as such, "preside" over the greats of Hawaiian music honored herein. They have their own prominant place in the 1995 koa traveling exhibit and share space with the first ten Hall of Fame honorees. Click on the links below to access the biographies and pictures of the Royal Four
I don't see why we need a separate article for this. The other article is a stub, and everything it describes seems to concern Native Hawaiians.
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first, i made basic editing corrections on this page without realizing that it has gone through some past issues with edits/reverts/reverts/reverts, etc. sorry about that. i try not to just go into "editor" mode on articles with that type of history. i'm fairly certain i didn't make any changes that are "controversial," but i'm just noting it here, in case someone wants to look closely. the "quick summary" i typed in was quite accurate.
however, i DID have a question on this section (as titled here). mainly, there's the section title, then the section begins with something in early 2000s, talks rather extensively about that bill, then goes to a poll done in 2003, and THEN a poll done in 2009 about who does and does not support the "Native Hawaiian Reorganization Act of 2009." (as opposed to the "Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2009"??) but it doesn't say what HAPPENED to the bill? did it pass? if so, when? if so, what was the vote? if so, what has happened since then, i.e., has there been any "higher taxes to cover any loss in tax revenues," as 3/4 of people were worried about?? Colbey84 ( talk) 09:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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The section Emigration was deleted without discussing a possible improvement or extension of examples. Because emigration is an important fact in the intercultural relations between Hawaiʻi and other parts of the world it should be mentioned in the article. -- ThT ( talk) 15:39, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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"Evidence for a Tahitian conquest of the islands include the legends of Hawaiʻiloa and the navigator-priest Paʻao . . . ."
Isn't a "legend" the antithesis of "evidence"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mt98765 ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article says there are 527,000, but then in the next paragraph it says there are only 371,000 people who are wholly or partly Native Hawaiian, of which 156,000 are exclusively Native Hawaiian. Adding those figures together gives 527,000, but you can't add them because one is included in the other. I don't know which is right. Richard75 ( talk) 11:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
This article is seemingly lacking in indigenous points of view especially about the dispossession of land by agri-business (Dole pineapple company) as well as the mass incarceration of Native Hawai'ians. Moreover, this article fails to mention any of the current anti-colonial protests of the past and present, including the most recent protest to prevent the construction of a telescope and observatory on a sacred site of Native people. There needs to be more to address both the military-industrial complex and prison industrial complex that has come to define life for many Native Hawai'ians as well as shifting the narrative to that of the Native Hawai'ians who live there. Ultimately the article seems to lack any meaningful organizational structure that makes it both logical and inviting, which is a disadvantage to the historically underrepresented NAtive Hawai'ians whose struggle and culture is often erased and/or misunderstood. Finally, more images both historic and contemporary are needed to give context to this article in order to highlight both the current existence and current struggle of Native Hawai'ians whose existence and overall survival depend on the continuation of their culture. Finally, I hope that this article can delete the comments about the Hula which seem to have a connotation of pro-assimilation which violated Wikipedia guidelines on impartiality. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
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I never heard of Hawaiʻi Maoli. Any sources as to where this is now commonly used? Not in my decades living have I heard of such a term, and we know it does not exist in any of the Hawaiian newspapers which I'm sure someone has been at least looking through. 99.23.241.79 ( talk) 02:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hawaiians have not lived in Hawaii remotely long enough to be considered native or indigenous. They are not an Aboriginal people that have resided in Hawaii long enough to have diverged into a unique ethnolinguistic group. They are polynesian settlers to be sure, but are not native in the same way Native Americans and Indigenous Australians are native. Nordic persons living in Iceland sould similarly be referred as Native Icelanders if we are to continue to use the term Native Hawaiian. Iceland was settled hundreds of years before the Polynesians settled Hawaii, so Icelanders probably have a greater right to claim Nativeness. I suggest a change to just Hawaiians and removal of the terms Native and Indigenous, unless referring to Taiwan, which most accept as the original homeland common to all polynesian peoples. 2600:1017:B02A:11E0:7EC9:7918:627B:5D4E ( talk) 18:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
It is a dubious term (that isn’t accepted by Hawaiians)seems to me to be an original research statement. Where is the verification from reliable sources for this? I lived on Oahu for nearly 14 years, & knew many & had friends who were of Hawaiian descent. While they would say that they were Hawaiian, or in some cases, Hapa, I did not hear any of them voice opposition as being identified as native Hawaiian.
native Hawaiianis unacceptable by Hawaiians a position held by a minority of Hawaiians, which can be sussed out by reviewing reliable sources? If so, then it is WP:UNDUE. If not, then it still will require a consensus here for a name change.
I deleted this section. It doesn't seem like something that belongs in an encyclopedia and I can find nothing similar in the articles about other ethnic groups in Polynesia or any other part of the world.
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To the anon editor: If we must list related people there must be some logic to it. Adding the Chamorro people - just one people out of the many Micronesian peoples who are related, albeit distantly, to Polynesians and therefore to Hawaiians, is not justifiable. Why single out the Chamorro for special mention? Kahuroa ( talk) 10:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Do any statistics exist on the percent of Native Hawaiians in each religious category? If so, they should be put into the Demographics section. Duoduoduo ( talk) 14:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
There is a reference to King Kalakaua's "Legends and Myths of Hawai'i" about Pa'ao. That work never mentions that Pa'ao was from Samoa and Pili (Piri in Tahitian) is also a well known chief from Ra'iatea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.13 ( talk) 04:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
With at least one exception, this article does not capitalize the "n" in "N/native Hawaiian" (except of course in the name of an organization or at the start of a sentence). Maybe I missed it, but I can't find any previous discussion of this. In standard English orthography, names of ethnic groups are fully capitalized: Italian American, Inuit, American Indian, Native Hawaiian, etc. Without the capital N, it conventionally means someone who was born in a place: native South Carolinian, etc. I think it should be changed everywhere in the article to N. I'll leave it to you guys who frequent this page to consider this. Duoduoduo ( talk) 17:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Isn't the number of figures in the infobox a bit excessive? Also there are too many royals. It downplays the role other non-royal Hawaiians played in history merely to promote people were royals but did very little. Many of the monarchs and kuhina nui (except Keoni Ana not included) shown here impact Hawaiian history in their own ways but it doesn't mean every one of them should be included. I don't think John Papa Īī should be included since compare to Malo and Kamakau his fame is minimal. And Henry Opukahaia, more notable than many here is not even included. Nor is Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole.
I think the list should balance between royal and non-royal, different areas of fame, and having equal distributions throughout history with the goal number of twelve at most ( Native Americans in the United States has twelve too):
-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no consensus that I can find to limit the royals in the info box. Sorry, but the idea of such a limitation when there is something like 1500 years of history where the only notable figures are basically the aliʻi. Also, the infobox seems to give undue weight to the Kalakaua Dynasty which lasted less than twenty years compared to nearly 80 years of the Kamehamehas, so I am removing Liliuokalani. As the last monarch that is certainly note worthy but inclusion over, say Kamehameha III? He wrote the first constitution, created the Great Mahele and had the longest reign of any Hawaiian Monarch.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 10:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Na Lani Eha, the Patrons of Hawaiian culture, were not only giants in the field of Hawaiian music but form the very cornerstones of subsequent Hawaiian culture and arts, and as such, "preside" over the greats of Hawaiian music honored herein. They have their own prominant place in the 1995 koa traveling exhibit and share space with the first ten Hall of Fame honorees. Click on the links below to access the biographies and pictures of the Royal Four
I don't see why we need a separate article for this. The other article is a stub, and everything it describes seems to concern Native Hawaiians.
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07:47, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
first, i made basic editing corrections on this page without realizing that it has gone through some past issues with edits/reverts/reverts/reverts, etc. sorry about that. i try not to just go into "editor" mode on articles with that type of history. i'm fairly certain i didn't make any changes that are "controversial," but i'm just noting it here, in case someone wants to look closely. the "quick summary" i typed in was quite accurate.
however, i DID have a question on this section (as titled here). mainly, there's the section title, then the section begins with something in early 2000s, talks rather extensively about that bill, then goes to a poll done in 2003, and THEN a poll done in 2009 about who does and does not support the "Native Hawaiian Reorganization Act of 2009." (as opposed to the "Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2009"??) but it doesn't say what HAPPENED to the bill? did it pass? if so, when? if so, what was the vote? if so, what has happened since then, i.e., has there been any "higher taxes to cover any loss in tax revenues," as 3/4 of people were worried about?? Colbey84 ( talk) 09:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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"Evidence for a Tahitian conquest of the islands include the legends of Hawaiʻiloa and the navigator-priest Paʻao . . . ."
Isn't a "legend" the antithesis of "evidence"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mt98765 ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article says there are 527,000, but then in the next paragraph it says there are only 371,000 people who are wholly or partly Native Hawaiian, of which 156,000 are exclusively Native Hawaiian. Adding those figures together gives 527,000, but you can't add them because one is included in the other. I don't know which is right. Richard75 ( talk) 11:34, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
This article is seemingly lacking in indigenous points of view especially about the dispossession of land by agri-business (Dole pineapple company) as well as the mass incarceration of Native Hawai'ians. Moreover, this article fails to mention any of the current anti-colonial protests of the past and present, including the most recent protest to prevent the construction of a telescope and observatory on a sacred site of Native people. There needs to be more to address both the military-industrial complex and prison industrial complex that has come to define life for many Native Hawai'ians as well as shifting the narrative to that of the Native Hawai'ians who live there. Ultimately the article seems to lack any meaningful organizational structure that makes it both logical and inviting, which is a disadvantage to the historically underrepresented NAtive Hawai'ians whose struggle and culture is often erased and/or misunderstood. Finally, more images both historic and contemporary are needed to give context to this article in order to highlight both the current existence and current struggle of Native Hawai'ians whose existence and overall survival depend on the continuation of their culture. Finally, I hope that this article can delete the comments about the Hula which seem to have a connotation of pro-assimilation which violated Wikipedia guidelines on impartiality. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
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Hi! I think your article was very well written with a good amount of information on your topic. However, I do think that your lead section could be more robust with slightly more information added as well as a bit more information on the shorter sections within the articles as well - or even maybe joining it to a different section. Also, adding some more pictures would help as well! But, overall I don't see any other issues, a pretty good article overall! Emilyc12345678 ( talk) 23:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)emily
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I never heard of Hawaiʻi Maoli. Any sources as to where this is now commonly used? Not in my decades living have I heard of such a term, and we know it does not exist in any of the Hawaiian newspapers which I'm sure someone has been at least looking through. 99.23.241.79 ( talk) 02:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hawaiians have not lived in Hawaii remotely long enough to be considered native or indigenous. They are not an Aboriginal people that have resided in Hawaii long enough to have diverged into a unique ethnolinguistic group. They are polynesian settlers to be sure, but are not native in the same way Native Americans and Indigenous Australians are native. Nordic persons living in Iceland sould similarly be referred as Native Icelanders if we are to continue to use the term Native Hawaiian. Iceland was settled hundreds of years before the Polynesians settled Hawaii, so Icelanders probably have a greater right to claim Nativeness. I suggest a change to just Hawaiians and removal of the terms Native and Indigenous, unless referring to Taiwan, which most accept as the original homeland common to all polynesian peoples. 2600:1017:B02A:11E0:7EC9:7918:627B:5D4E ( talk) 18:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
It is a dubious term (that isn’t accepted by Hawaiians)seems to me to be an original research statement. Where is the verification from reliable sources for this? I lived on Oahu for nearly 14 years, & knew many & had friends who were of Hawaiian descent. While they would say that they were Hawaiian, or in some cases, Hapa, I did not hear any of them voice opposition as being identified as native Hawaiian.
native Hawaiianis unacceptable by Hawaiians a position held by a minority of Hawaiians, which can be sussed out by reviewing reliable sources? If so, then it is WP:UNDUE. If not, then it still will require a consensus here for a name change.
I deleted this section. It doesn't seem like something that belongs in an encyclopedia and I can find nothing similar in the articles about other ethnic groups in Polynesia or any other part of the world.
Just the facts 808 ( talk) 21:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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