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Dr Ray Edwards BA (Oxon) MA LLM PhD If National Service was simply a "one year" period and not a period of conscripted military service, pray tell me what the hell I was doing serving in No1 Para for just over two years in Malaya chasing Chinese Communist insurgents around IPOH and other regions of the Northern Malayan jungle together with thousands of other British National Servicemen. Oh, and by the way, Tommy Steele ducked out of his duty to his country first by taking up employment as a seaman which kept him out of reach of conscription. I was in Aldershot when Tommy Steele was reprted by the press to have hiiden crying in his managers car because he did not want to leave home, more likley did not want to give up the lucrative gravy train he got himself on - just like John Prescott Deputy Prime Minister of Britain, he preferred working as a steward at sea in the Med and Bahamas in stead of serving his country. For pities sake, sack the researcher who wrote this tripe about National Service and apologise for the insult WIKIPEDIA has handed down to the hundreds of thousands of British National SErvicemen who fought in Malaya, Cyprus, Korea many of whom died and have foriegn graves.
Regarding Silverback's addition. Actually, I meant to move it to an article on 'national service' in the civilian sense. I didn't realize that there was a draft article named this. Why are Singapore & Britain covered in one article anyway? Is it just because of the common name? Seems to me some re-organization of the various draft & any civilian national service articles might be in order. Wolfman 04:31, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As it include description about national service implementation in other countries such as Singapore? Squallwc 08:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The phrase 'in Great Britain (but not Northern Ireland)' does not make sense. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. The article is attempting to inform readers that a particular nation (UK) had National Service with an exception for one of its regions (NI). Bobblewik (talk) 13:13, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The full name of Britain is United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. is it not? The fact that some people, in Northern Ireland seek independence from Britain, affirms the fact that the northern counties are part of the United Kingdom (was Ireland ever a Kingdom?), while at some time in future history, this reality may change. AlMac| (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Bevin Boys should be included under National Service, but shoulkd also be shown as a separate site. EVBThere have been several requests to try to organize Category Military since it has over 50 articles and over 50 sub-categories. I am trying to help out, by adding a new sub-category Politics of Military, which will include this, and other articles, where there is sometimes some controversy, such as the topic of very young children being made into child soldiers, also issues of gender, different religions side by side, conscientious objector and so forth. Category Military is a sub-category of War. We do not need to list all articles in the whole hierarchy, do we? AlMac| (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
"National Service was the name given to the system of military conscription employed in Great Britain between 1949 and 1960 (although the system of wartime conscription used between 1939 and 1949 was also officially called National Service)." - so wouldn't it be better to say "National Service was the name given to the system of military conscription employed in Great Britain between 1939 and 1960." and have done with it? DavidFarmbrough 12:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
"However, many transferred from National Service to voluntary military service and carved themselves an honourable career within the British Armed Forces." Is honourable really appropriate? We could go into a huge argument about the benefits of pacifism and being part of an army, but there's really no need for an adjective at all...except maybe 'successful', which is what was probably intended.
Through the article and talk page, 'National Service' is always title case, yet the article name isn't... going to fix! Mauls 21:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads-up that I will be adding a section on non-military community-building national service activities in Germany, Israel, Nigeria, Sweden and the United States soon. - Freechild 22:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it feels a bit unbalanced having most of the article devoted to National Service in the United Kingdom? This being an international encyclopaedia, wouldn't it make more sense to have separate articles for each country, and this as a general article? garik 11:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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Given its source, it's no surprise that the new section on America has a pro-national-service bias. The section needs to be changed to be from a neutral POV.-- Cybercobra ( talk) 02:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC) I second that and i have propsed changes on the page as well as improving certain sections of the aricle. obama=osama(Yomamma22) ( talk) 04:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
As per the page wiki page on
Recruitment to the British Army during World War I,
I propose a seperate page on recruiting WWII, should be created from the section relating to `National service in the United Kingdom during WWII` OR a page dedicated to `National Service in the United Kingdom`. Does anyone have any thoughts on splitting this ?--
Rockybiggs (
talk)
14:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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In the article of National Service in the United States, the main paragraph in the Vietnam War section shows clear bias towards national service when it says that the reason that the military dropped it was in order to shield criticism of its strategy. It also cites the "military-industrial complex" as fosterine the "technical all-volunteer army". The discssion board directed me to this board so this is why it is here instead of in the National service in United States discussion. I suggest that the section be rewritten to a neutral POV or show the other side of opposition to conscirption in the United States (economists, peace movement, etc). obama=osama(Yomamma22) ( talk) 03:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Nogt sure about the statement that Israel was the only country to conscript women in the twentieth century. The article Women in Libya mentions female conscription there in the 1980s onward, and I believe other countries had conscription for males and females as well. Zagubov ( talk) 12:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The article is confusing. Is it about conscription generally (which duplicates another article), or about British national service? If the latter why include references to other countries? If the former, it should be merged with conscription. Royalcourtier ( talk) 07:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Royalcourtier, I think the article must have gotten overly chopped up along the way, but I'm too tired to look through the history at the moment. I just tried to rearrange the intro a bit and I put the one quote in the section after it in blockquote tags to highlight there's really in there but a quote! Well, you do what you can do, you know? — Geekdiva ( talk) 05:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
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Dr Ray Edwards BA (Oxon) MA LLM PhD If National Service was simply a "one year" period and not a period of conscripted military service, pray tell me what the hell I was doing serving in No1 Para for just over two years in Malaya chasing Chinese Communist insurgents around IPOH and other regions of the Northern Malayan jungle together with thousands of other British National Servicemen. Oh, and by the way, Tommy Steele ducked out of his duty to his country first by taking up employment as a seaman which kept him out of reach of conscription. I was in Aldershot when Tommy Steele was reprted by the press to have hiiden crying in his managers car because he did not want to leave home, more likley did not want to give up the lucrative gravy train he got himself on - just like John Prescott Deputy Prime Minister of Britain, he preferred working as a steward at sea in the Med and Bahamas in stead of serving his country. For pities sake, sack the researcher who wrote this tripe about National Service and apologise for the insult WIKIPEDIA has handed down to the hundreds of thousands of British National SErvicemen who fought in Malaya, Cyprus, Korea many of whom died and have foriegn graves.
Regarding Silverback's addition. Actually, I meant to move it to an article on 'national service' in the civilian sense. I didn't realize that there was a draft article named this. Why are Singapore & Britain covered in one article anyway? Is it just because of the common name? Seems to me some re-organization of the various draft & any civilian national service articles might be in order. Wolfman 04:31, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As it include description about national service implementation in other countries such as Singapore? Squallwc 08:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The phrase 'in Great Britain (but not Northern Ireland)' does not make sense. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. The article is attempting to inform readers that a particular nation (UK) had National Service with an exception for one of its regions (NI). Bobblewik (talk) 13:13, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The full name of Britain is United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. is it not? The fact that some people, in Northern Ireland seek independence from Britain, affirms the fact that the northern counties are part of the United Kingdom (was Ireland ever a Kingdom?), while at some time in future history, this reality may change. AlMac| (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Bevin Boys should be included under National Service, but shoulkd also be shown as a separate site. EVBThere have been several requests to try to organize Category Military since it has over 50 articles and over 50 sub-categories. I am trying to help out, by adding a new sub-category Politics of Military, which will include this, and other articles, where there is sometimes some controversy, such as the topic of very young children being made into child soldiers, also issues of gender, different religions side by side, conscientious objector and so forth. Category Military is a sub-category of War. We do not need to list all articles in the whole hierarchy, do we? AlMac| (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
"National Service was the name given to the system of military conscription employed in Great Britain between 1949 and 1960 (although the system of wartime conscription used between 1939 and 1949 was also officially called National Service)." - so wouldn't it be better to say "National Service was the name given to the system of military conscription employed in Great Britain between 1939 and 1960." and have done with it? DavidFarmbrough 12:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
"However, many transferred from National Service to voluntary military service and carved themselves an honourable career within the British Armed Forces." Is honourable really appropriate? We could go into a huge argument about the benefits of pacifism and being part of an army, but there's really no need for an adjective at all...except maybe 'successful', which is what was probably intended.
Through the article and talk page, 'National Service' is always title case, yet the article name isn't... going to fix! Mauls 21:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads-up that I will be adding a section on non-military community-building national service activities in Germany, Israel, Nigeria, Sweden and the United States soon. - Freechild 22:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it feels a bit unbalanced having most of the article devoted to National Service in the United Kingdom? This being an international encyclopaedia, wouldn't it make more sense to have separate articles for each country, and this as a general article? garik 11:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
For the section marked as a copyright violation from
http://www.nationalserviceact.org/16.html, the contributor is also the author of the source web site and is releasing the content under the GFDL. {{ConfirmationOTRS|id=https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1393487|license=GFDL|source=http://www.nationalserviceact.org/16.html}}
howcheng {
chat}
22:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Given its source, it's no surprise that the new section on America has a pro-national-service bias. The section needs to be changed to be from a neutral POV.-- Cybercobra ( talk) 02:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC) I second that and i have propsed changes on the page as well as improving certain sections of the aricle. obama=osama(Yomamma22) ( talk) 04:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
As per the page wiki page on
Recruitment to the British Army during World War I,
I propose a seperate page on recruiting WWII, should be created from the section relating to `National service in the United Kingdom during WWII` OR a page dedicated to `National Service in the United Kingdom`. Does anyone have any thoughts on splitting this ?--
Rockybiggs (
talk)
14:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Bold text#
d
In the article of National Service in the United States, the main paragraph in the Vietnam War section shows clear bias towards national service when it says that the reason that the military dropped it was in order to shield criticism of its strategy. It also cites the "military-industrial complex" as fosterine the "technical all-volunteer army". The discssion board directed me to this board so this is why it is here instead of in the National service in United States discussion. I suggest that the section be rewritten to a neutral POV or show the other side of opposition to conscirption in the United States (economists, peace movement, etc). obama=osama(Yomamma22) ( talk) 03:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Nogt sure about the statement that Israel was the only country to conscript women in the twentieth century. The article Women in Libya mentions female conscription there in the 1980s onward, and I believe other countries had conscription for males and females as well. Zagubov ( talk) 12:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
The article is confusing. Is it about conscription generally (which duplicates another article), or about British national service? If the latter why include references to other countries? If the former, it should be merged with conscription. Royalcourtier ( talk) 07:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Royalcourtier, I think the article must have gotten overly chopped up along the way, but I'm too tired to look through the history at the moment. I just tried to rearrange the intro a bit and I put the one quote in the section after it in blockquote tags to highlight there's really in there but a quote! Well, you do what you can do, you know? — Geekdiva ( talk) 05:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)