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I found a story that said the two teens under 18 were sorry. One sent a letter Ottawa police and the other appologized to the legion, veterans of Canada, and citizens of Canada. A third man, identified by police as 23-year-old Stephen Fernandes of Montreal, was charged Friday with mischief for allegedly urinating in the same area charged. [1]. Mr. C.C. 16:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe that the word cenotaph is still appropriate for this article. A cenotaph has no human remains at the site. Since May 2000, the site has also been the location of the Canadian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.161.1 ( talk) 20:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
At the "National Day of Honour" the Prime Minister announced that Afghanistan would be added to the War Memorial. Haven't found a source reference yet, though (besides "anonymous editor at my IP was there and heard it said"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.78.180 ( talk) 01:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Three simple questions: Why must the images of various elements of the monument be in a separate section at the bottom of the article, away from the section outlining the features of the monument? What is the purpose of including in the collection an image that shows the same as is in the image in the infobox? What does this image (with a caption that doesn't explain its relevance both to the article subject and to the theme of the gallery) show that this image doesn't? "Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made" and it doesn't seem the section of images here entirely follows that direction; at least two are "indiscriminate... images of the article subject." -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
It's silly and pedantic to say that the Tomb is "only tangentially related" to the memorial. Suffice it to say that I strongly disagree. It's even mentioned in the lead. It is a key element of the memorial site, and its design was carefully chosen to fit in as part of the larger whole. The fact that it also has its own article is irrelevant.
You are just repeating yourself on the detail. It's caption clearly identifies it and it much better shows the individual statue elements. I think it's a good choice because it is of the front of the advance, but again, if you think we have a better detail image, or think we should have more than one view, then I am all ears. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 20:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The Tomb is a key element of the Memorial site. There are not two "separate things". Let's just say we're not going to agree on that. As for your proposed image, why would we want a wider view when the point is to show the Tomb? I'm not opposed to the image you suggested, but just not sure it's an improvement.
I have answered your questions. You just don't like the answers. The sculpture is the main element, so it is not unreasonable to show the detail of the main sculpture closer up. The importance is self-evident. You didn't ask for a better detail image, but you did complain that you personally did not think it was that much closer, so I invited you to find a better one since closeness was what you were complaining about.
The image showing the rear of the monument certainly shows more than the other one - not only the view of the back of the monument, but also a daytime, clear view of the granite base. Not to mention rear and side views are different.
It doesn't look like we are going to suddenly find agreement here, so perhaps this compromise. We move the gallery, use a ";" subheading (surely we can agree on some wording), and delete the detail image. We could also swap the tomb images as you suggested. I'm not thrilled with a couple of those changes, but compromise is better than arguing these same points over and over. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 22:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The theme of the gallery is not clear the way in which you have proposed to set it up. There would be nothing to stop anyone from adding their vacation shots (so to speak) to the gallery, in a manner consistent with the section. The subheading is essential to providing a clear scope to the gallery.
I won't speak to your comments on the images themselves at this point, because I already addressed your comment on the first one (and referenced it in the proposed compromise), and you have not filled in the wikilinks for your other comments. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 21:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
In any event, if you want to discuss a compromise, either the one I proposed, some variation thereof, or something new entirely, I am all ears. Would love to discuss it. It would be preferable to this arguing in circles which you seem to want to do. We can keep going back and forth if you would like, but it does not seem productive. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 13:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, why you feel entitled to keep editing the gallery in dispute is beyond me. Moving images away from the gallery, so that it no longer covers the main thematic elements of the memorial, is as much a problem as your earlier edits. Not to mention you removed the heading in dispute. Having said that, I can live with your last set of changes, although the heading is weak. But that's the point of a compromise. I have reinserted the image from the side, which is an important element of the gallery. If you can live with that, we have consensus and we're done. Otherwise, we can revert the last round of edits and continue the discussion. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 18:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Do not make changes to the gallery for which you know there is no consensus and that have already been objected to. There are other ways to deal with any problem with the second row. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 15:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Watching the ceremony today I was struck by the fact that while the CBC announcers said that "The Response" was dedicated to those who served, as opposed to those who died, and that the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier beside it was dedicated to those who had passed away, the Princess Anne read a message in which the Queen seems to assert that it is dedicated to the deceased, not all who served. Checking this page, it, too, asserts that it is a monument to the dead.
The veteran's department seems to say that it is dedicated to those who served, not merely those who died.
Seems like a point of confusion that the page might be making worse if it is on the wrong side of the argument.
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I found a story that said the two teens under 18 were sorry. One sent a letter Ottawa police and the other appologized to the legion, veterans of Canada, and citizens of Canada. A third man, identified by police as 23-year-old Stephen Fernandes of Montreal, was charged Friday with mischief for allegedly urinating in the same area charged. [1]. Mr. C.C. 16:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe that the word cenotaph is still appropriate for this article. A cenotaph has no human remains at the site. Since May 2000, the site has also been the location of the Canadian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.161.1 ( talk) 20:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
At the "National Day of Honour" the Prime Minister announced that Afghanistan would be added to the War Memorial. Haven't found a source reference yet, though (besides "anonymous editor at my IP was there and heard it said"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.78.180 ( talk) 01:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Three simple questions: Why must the images of various elements of the monument be in a separate section at the bottom of the article, away from the section outlining the features of the monument? What is the purpose of including in the collection an image that shows the same as is in the image in the infobox? What does this image (with a caption that doesn't explain its relevance both to the article subject and to the theme of the gallery) show that this image doesn't? "Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made" and it doesn't seem the section of images here entirely follows that direction; at least two are "indiscriminate... images of the article subject." -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
It's silly and pedantic to say that the Tomb is "only tangentially related" to the memorial. Suffice it to say that I strongly disagree. It's even mentioned in the lead. It is a key element of the memorial site, and its design was carefully chosen to fit in as part of the larger whole. The fact that it also has its own article is irrelevant.
You are just repeating yourself on the detail. It's caption clearly identifies it and it much better shows the individual statue elements. I think it's a good choice because it is of the front of the advance, but again, if you think we have a better detail image, or think we should have more than one view, then I am all ears. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 20:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The Tomb is a key element of the Memorial site. There are not two "separate things". Let's just say we're not going to agree on that. As for your proposed image, why would we want a wider view when the point is to show the Tomb? I'm not opposed to the image you suggested, but just not sure it's an improvement.
I have answered your questions. You just don't like the answers. The sculpture is the main element, so it is not unreasonable to show the detail of the main sculpture closer up. The importance is self-evident. You didn't ask for a better detail image, but you did complain that you personally did not think it was that much closer, so I invited you to find a better one since closeness was what you were complaining about.
The image showing the rear of the monument certainly shows more than the other one - not only the view of the back of the monument, but also a daytime, clear view of the granite base. Not to mention rear and side views are different.
It doesn't look like we are going to suddenly find agreement here, so perhaps this compromise. We move the gallery, use a ";" subheading (surely we can agree on some wording), and delete the detail image. We could also swap the tomb images as you suggested. I'm not thrilled with a couple of those changes, but compromise is better than arguing these same points over and over. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 22:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The theme of the gallery is not clear the way in which you have proposed to set it up. There would be nothing to stop anyone from adding their vacation shots (so to speak) to the gallery, in a manner consistent with the section. The subheading is essential to providing a clear scope to the gallery.
I won't speak to your comments on the images themselves at this point, because I already addressed your comment on the first one (and referenced it in the proposed compromise), and you have not filled in the wikilinks for your other comments. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 21:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
In any event, if you want to discuss a compromise, either the one I proposed, some variation thereof, or something new entirely, I am all ears. Would love to discuss it. It would be preferable to this arguing in circles which you seem to want to do. We can keep going back and forth if you would like, but it does not seem productive. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 13:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, why you feel entitled to keep editing the gallery in dispute is beyond me. Moving images away from the gallery, so that it no longer covers the main thematic elements of the memorial, is as much a problem as your earlier edits. Not to mention you removed the heading in dispute. Having said that, I can live with your last set of changes, although the heading is weak. But that's the point of a compromise. I have reinserted the image from the side, which is an important element of the gallery. If you can live with that, we have consensus and we're done. Otherwise, we can revert the last round of edits and continue the discussion. Skeezix1000 ( talk) 18:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Do not make changes to the gallery for which you know there is no consensus and that have already been objected to. There are other ways to deal with any problem with the second row. -- Skeezix1000 ( talk) 15:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Watching the ceremony today I was struck by the fact that while the CBC announcers said that "The Response" was dedicated to those who served, as opposed to those who died, and that the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier beside it was dedicated to those who had passed away, the Princess Anne read a message in which the Queen seems to assert that it is dedicated to the deceased, not all who served. Checking this page, it, too, asserts that it is a monument to the dead.
The veteran's department seems to say that it is dedicated to those who served, not merely those who died.
Seems like a point of confusion that the page might be making worse if it is on the wrong side of the argument.
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