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There is no proof this organization exists, it is seemingly one individual who published a manifesto that he claims a group authored. 98.36.196.86 ( talk) 04:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I have heard about this organisation and search it on Wikipedia... Why to delete this ? Nonsense. Phil.sch ( talk) 14:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Only a couple of sources acknowledging the fact that this organization exists and we still know nothing about it apart from the killing of Dugina (which is elaborated on her page further.) Feels like WP:TOOSOON. This article contributes nothing to Wikipedia and should be removed in my books. Fijipedia ( talk) 07:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Though it is only my speculation at this point, I would like to point out the extensive fire bombings of recruitment offices and other facilities without any perpetrators. 31.205.4.176 ( talk) 09:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Aside from whether or not this article should stay up, there is a big issue here with including the manifesto in full. Wikipedia is not a web host or soapbox for propaganda purposes. Including the entire manifesto is very problematic, but it may be fine to include select quotes (such as those quoted in reliable sources). Grnrchst ( talk) 13:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Sіmрlе frоnt fоr а fоrеіgn роwеr. 172.58.203.194 ( talk) 18:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Every reference is either ukrainian state sponsored news outlet or western MSM with questionable reputation. We cannot create new page for every new lie made up for clicks, have some dignity 5.129.219.95 ( talk) 19:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
There is no proof of the existence of such a group! It seems to be a pathetic attempt of western forces to create a fake internal enemy to destabilize russian public opinion. It also seems that someone wants, (in a ridiculous way) to convince european public opinion that the killing of Miss Dugina was not a Kiev’s gaffe. This surely doesn’t help to stop the war… Wilipedia, if you consider yourself a serious websites that checks the facts, delete immediately until clear intel about this 151.68.65.12 ( talk) 23:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah and thats why Wikipedia is laughing stock now. What happened to the "wikipedia is not a news outlet"? There is no reliable sources for this page. Western News outlets and ukrainian state sponsored news outlet is NOT reliable. FMKairos ( talk) 06:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Ponomarev has given a pretty wide-ranging interview to the Kyiv Post (an English-language publication with some stature), where he gives a number of claims about the NRA such as structure, ideology, etc. --standard stuff for armed militant groups. I have put in a few grafs of material based on it.
It also strikes me that Ponomarev's claim to Meduza and on his social media that he helped Vovk's escape means there is now the tiniest degree of convergence in the stories of the FSB and Ponomarev.
The remaining differences in stories are irresolvable: regardless of truth, the Kremlin is not going to give NRA credit, Ukraine cannot acknowledge support of an assassination, Ponomarev cannot admit he is a fabulist.
Evackost (
talk) 13:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Disregard. Evackost ( talk) 01:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
They are terrorists, not “underground partisans” or whatever dodgy language you choose to use. This is the bottom line, just because you don’t like the group they oppose does not make them somehow “good guys” or non-terrorists. Furthermore, in what way are they “Russian nationalists”? This is an uncited claim, and actively calling for causing harm to Russia certainly makes someone not a “Russian nationalist.” 206.108.213.42 ( talk) 01:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
This is a headache for editing. I don't see the point of having the references formatted this way. Super Ψ Dro 10:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
This is the supposed source, in which it states that the RVC (Russian Volunteer Corp) have signed several agreements with the FRL and NRA, example being the adoption of the white-azure-white flag. However, https://t.me/russianvolunteercorps/118 in this telegram post the RVC denies ever signing of such a declaration, as such, putting them as both allies and using the Irpin Declaration as evidence does not make sense. 2A00:A040:196:782:B168:E14C:E989:40C3 ( talk) 15:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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There is no proof this organization exists, it is seemingly one individual who published a manifesto that he claims a group authored. 98.36.196.86 ( talk) 04:53, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I have heard about this organisation and search it on Wikipedia... Why to delete this ? Nonsense. Phil.sch ( talk) 14:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Only a couple of sources acknowledging the fact that this organization exists and we still know nothing about it apart from the killing of Dugina (which is elaborated on her page further.) Feels like WP:TOOSOON. This article contributes nothing to Wikipedia and should be removed in my books. Fijipedia ( talk) 07:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Though it is only my speculation at this point, I would like to point out the extensive fire bombings of recruitment offices and other facilities without any perpetrators. 31.205.4.176 ( talk) 09:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Aside from whether or not this article should stay up, there is a big issue here with including the manifesto in full. Wikipedia is not a web host or soapbox for propaganda purposes. Including the entire manifesto is very problematic, but it may be fine to include select quotes (such as those quoted in reliable sources). Grnrchst ( talk) 13:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Sіmрlе frоnt fоr а fоrеіgn роwеr. 172.58.203.194 ( talk) 18:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Every reference is either ukrainian state sponsored news outlet or western MSM with questionable reputation. We cannot create new page for every new lie made up for clicks, have some dignity 5.129.219.95 ( talk) 19:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
There is no proof of the existence of such a group! It seems to be a pathetic attempt of western forces to create a fake internal enemy to destabilize russian public opinion. It also seems that someone wants, (in a ridiculous way) to convince european public opinion that the killing of Miss Dugina was not a Kiev’s gaffe. This surely doesn’t help to stop the war… Wilipedia, if you consider yourself a serious websites that checks the facts, delete immediately until clear intel about this 151.68.65.12 ( talk) 23:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Yeah and thats why Wikipedia is laughing stock now. What happened to the "wikipedia is not a news outlet"? There is no reliable sources for this page. Western News outlets and ukrainian state sponsored news outlet is NOT reliable. FMKairos ( talk) 06:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Ponomarev has given a pretty wide-ranging interview to the Kyiv Post (an English-language publication with some stature), where he gives a number of claims about the NRA such as structure, ideology, etc. --standard stuff for armed militant groups. I have put in a few grafs of material based on it.
It also strikes me that Ponomarev's claim to Meduza and on his social media that he helped Vovk's escape means there is now the tiniest degree of convergence in the stories of the FSB and Ponomarev.
The remaining differences in stories are irresolvable: regardless of truth, the Kremlin is not going to give NRA credit, Ukraine cannot acknowledge support of an assassination, Ponomarev cannot admit he is a fabulist.
Evackost (
talk) 13:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Disregard. Evackost ( talk) 01:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
They are terrorists, not “underground partisans” or whatever dodgy language you choose to use. This is the bottom line, just because you don’t like the group they oppose does not make them somehow “good guys” or non-terrorists. Furthermore, in what way are they “Russian nationalists”? This is an uncited claim, and actively calling for causing harm to Russia certainly makes someone not a “Russian nationalist.” 206.108.213.42 ( talk) 01:39, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
This is a headache for editing. I don't see the point of having the references formatted this way. Super Ψ Dro 10:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
This is the supposed source, in which it states that the RVC (Russian Volunteer Corp) have signed several agreements with the FRL and NRA, example being the adoption of the white-azure-white flag. However, https://t.me/russianvolunteercorps/118 in this telegram post the RVC denies ever signing of such a declaration, as such, putting them as both allies and using the Irpin Declaration as evidence does not make sense. 2A00:A040:196:782:B168:E14C:E989:40C3 ( talk) 15:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)