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...is how its primarly (and somewhat out of date) listing is at the NRHP. [1] aka "Tillamook Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangars" aka "US Naval Air Station Tillamook County". So we are talking about the actual hangar being the historic thing in question. Does the hanger=the air station, or were there more structures involved with the air station than just the hangar? I was thinking that the hanger in this article should redirect to the Tillamook Air Museum. If the museum is in the hangar (is the hangar), then perhaps we can cover the history of the remaining hangar in the museum article. I renamed your link back to reflect the NRHP designation, but left it pointing to the air station article for now. In any case, if we are pointing a national historic place link somewhere, that somewhere ought to have the best information about the structure in question. What do you think? (I hope that made sense.) Katr67 23:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I believe that pointing the link at the Naval Air Station Tillamook article is the best way to go. Perhaps there should be a redirect page for US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar B to Naval Air Station Tillamook(?), though I don't like that it doesn't specifically say Tillamook in the name of the link/article. Might there have been more than one US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar possibly named "B"? semifamous 18:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Search string "National Register of Historic Places" at the Salem Public Library Historic Photograph Collection Katr67 04:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
A discussion (and a bit of action) has been started about standardizing the tables for all the state's NRHP lists. Discussion can be found here. Input is encouraged! Murderbike ( talk) 06:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Katr67 ( talk) 22:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, i started developing this state list into a format that has seemed to work in some other state NRHP lists, with a leading summary table. I added more tables and then also started splitting out any counties with more than 40 or so NRHP listings, to keep file size down. Hope this is okay. doncram ( talk) 03:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Newer listings since tables' 4/2008 source may require new rows in tables. Following are new listings, to be struck out as added or verified covered in tables (from weekly listings indexed at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm):
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Whiteside Theatre,
361 SW Madison Ave.,
Corvallis, 09000060,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Camp Arboretum Sign Shop,
8592-8399 NW Peavy Arboretum,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000544,
LISTED, 6/25/08
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Oregon State University Historic District,
Monroe and Orchard Ave., 30th St., Washington Wy., Jefferson Ave., 11th St.,
Corvallis, 08000546,
LISTED, 6/25/08
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Children's Farm Home School,
4455 US 20 NE.,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000254,
LISTED, 3/25/08
OREGON, CLACKAMAS COUNTY,
Canemah Historic District,
Roughly bounded by Willamette River, 5th Ave., Marshall and Paquet Sts.,
Oregon City, 78002279,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 2/25/09
OREGON, DESCHUTES COUNTY,
Wienecke, Emil and Ottilie, House,
1325 NW. Federal St.,
Bend, 08000472,
LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, JACKSON COUNTY,
Putnam-Neff House,
227 N. Berkeley Wy.,
Medford, 08000337,
LISTED, 4/25/08
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Boyer, Clarence and Ethel, House,
1138 E. 22nd Ave.,
Eugene, 09000061,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Willakenzie Grange Hall,
3055 Willakenzie Rd.,
Eugene, 08001368,
LISTED, 1/22/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Eugene Civic Stadium,
2077 Willamette St.,
Eugene, 08000183,
LISTED, 10/06/08
OREGON, LINCOLN COUNTY,
Ernest Bloch House,
116 NW. Gilbert Way,
Newport, 09000049,
DETERMINED ELIGIBLE, 2/09/09
OREGON, LINN COUNTY,
Albany Monteith Historic District (Boundary Increase),
Elm St. SW to Calapooia and 19th Ave. SW to 11th and 12th Aves. SW,
Albany, 08001017,
LISTED, 11/13/08
OREGON, MARION COUNTY,
Paris Woolen Mill,
535 E. Florence St.,
Stayton, 81000511,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Paul Bunyan Statue, SW corner of N. Denver Ave. and N. Interstate Ave., Portland, 08001393, LISTED, 1/28/09
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse, 2181 NW Nicolai St., Portland, 08001263, LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Bohnsen Cottages, 1918-1926 SW. Elm St. and 2412-2416 SW. Vista Ave., Portland, 08001182, LISTED, 12/04/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS BLUEBACK (submarine), 1945 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River, Portland, 08000947, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 12/03/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District, Roughly bounded by Harbor Dr., Everett, 3rd, and Oak Sts., Portland, 75001597, NHL ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/06/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS BLUEBACK (submarine), 1495 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River, Portland, 08000947, LISTED, 9/18/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House, 2643 SW. Buenavista Dr., Portland, 08000405, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 7/02/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Campbell Court Hotel, 1115 SW 11th Ave, Portland, 08000559, LISTED, 6/25/08 (Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS)
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS 64500893, ADDITIONAL COVER DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 6/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Mount Hood Masonic Temple, 5308 N. Commercial Ave., Portland, 08000473, LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House, 2643 SW. Buena Vista Dr., Portland, 08000405, LISTED, 5/15/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS LCI-713 (Landing Craft), 1401 N. Hayden Island Dr., Portland, 07000300, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 4/09/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House,
12050 NW Cornell Rd.,
Portland vicinity, 08001264,
LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Washington County Jail,
872 N.E. Twenty-eighth Ave.,
Hillsboro, 86002090,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Doriot-Rider Log House,
14850 132nd Terr, SW,
Tigard, 08000554,
LISTED, 6/25/08
(gone back through October weekly listings, more to add going back to April 2008)
doncram (
talk)
15:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Please don't delete or comment out editing notes that are in the article. These don't properly belong permanently there, i agree. If someone wants to move them here to this development section in the Talk page, that is fine also, but if doing so please do with care to identify exactly where/what section they refer to. I think it is easier to leave them in the article temporarily while it is under active development. Sorry if it seemed like I stopped developing by my being away from this for a couple days. I am not done, will address all those question marks and other notes (eventually by moving any unresolveable ones to Talk page). doncram ( talk) 16:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Counties not finished in "table-izing" are indicated by question marks.
County | # of Sites | |
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4 | 60 | |
10 | 44? | |
14 | 39 | |
17 | 57 | |
18 | 28 | |
19 | 16 | |
20 | 130 | |
22 | 65 | |
24 | ||
30 | 39 | |
31 | 19 | |
34 | 41 |
Other edit notes were about what is correct punctuation to use for George A. Wells, Jr. House in Polk County. Should it be George A. Wells, Jr., House or George A. Wells, Jr. House? Either way, can set up redirect from other.
And for Edward W. St. Pierre House, also in Polk County, listed in table now as being in vicinity of Salem, the listing did not appear in the table. Is it newer than 4/2008? No, it is now reported as listing February 21, 1989. Has it been delisted and that is not reported in Oregon state list, or is there an error in Federal NRIS to be reported?
I think then there are no remaining editor notes in the list-article, except for the old list info yet to be cross-checked vs. tables, for Klamath, Lake, and Union counties. doncram ( talk) 19:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem with several locations in Oregon is that cities like Salem are in two counties. (And "vicinity" listings are of course vague and don't always mean a structure is in the same county as the city in which it is listed.) Again, I don't know what source you are using, but often the "official" listings put listed structures in the wrong county--Salem locations often default to Marion County although the city is also in Polk County. Please see the above diff and the county subpages for the corrected locations of these structures. Please don't rely on the "official" listings, except for the Oregon SHPO list of January, which has everything in the right counties. So there's really no mystery--us locals have already worked out most of these issues. Check the old version of the page if something seems to be missing. Katr67 ( talk) 18:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Done for now, on basis that it appears most likely that the
River Mill Hydroelectric Project is not NRHP-listed, probably having an owner objection. So the wikipedia county-list article is excluding it from the main table and its total count. I put it down on the inquiries to go to the National Register and the state of Oregon, however.
doncram (
talk) 21:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC) Aargh. I went to create the article about the property, anyhow, and then paid more attention to
Ipoellet's mention that it appears in NRHP's 2001 weekly listings. I found it there, oddly with a different listing date than the date given in the NRIS database individual listing with DR status (and hence in all the NRIS mirror sites). Re-evaluating, it seems this is an NRIS error only. So i added a row for it into the Clackamas NRHP list-table. Now Wikipedia total = 78 = Oregon PDF total. Recording into
wp:NRIS info issues about NR status and about date. So, again, done for now, but differently.
doncram (
talk)
21:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
NRIS table in National Register of Historic Places listings in Clatsop County, Oregon has 60; Oregon PDF has 60. But
Glancing quickly i don't see either of these in the Oregon PDF list for Clatsop county. doncram ( talk) 22:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
(unindent)Why are you addressing me in the third person? I don't mean to be belligerent. I guess I should have spelled out more clearly that the typo is in the NRIS system (and since perpetuated by all those crappy NRHP mirror sites). But, as I've explained previously, several of us have worked hard to make the original list (pre-table) free of typos (I know not all states are like this). That's why the Ecola Point Site redirected to Ecola State Park. So to me it seemed clear that "Ecola" is the correct spelling of the locale, sorry if it didn't seem that way to you.
It's an honest question about Google. I work for the government, I've been paid to do research, I've worked as a fact-checker for newspapers, I've had the "inside scoop" on news reported in the paper, and I have maintained databases, and I can assure you that government sites (and newspapers, and databases!) are not the be-all-and-end-all of accuracy. It just seems odd to me that you are asking questions about things that I was easily able to cross-check with a quick Google (or whatever search engine) search in order to find a half-dozen sources that show the current name, status, etc. of these sites. Like I've noted elsewhere, it's frustrating to have to answer questions re: spelling, usage, current name of site that I felt have already been handled. I know you're not trying to reinvent the wheel, and I'm not wanting to come across as all WP:OWN about this, but since the Oregon folks have local knowledge that may trump the databases and lists, I was hoping you could make the assumption that the links, titles, locations, etc. in the original list were fairly accurate and that you could check out any discrepancies yourself and see that the corrections were...correct. I can see now that some of the corrections will need to be cited. I (and others) just quietly fixed things without tracking or citing how we arrived at the conclusions we did, but that doesn't help you very much, as you (and anyone else coming along) have no idea what our thought process and research into the matter were. I appreciate that you are going to point out some of these inaccuracies to the NRIS folks--that will help a lot.
I guess I need to know what your basic assumptions are about NRIS. Do you, until evidence is given to the contrary, assume that the NRIS database is correct? That's a fine assumption, of course. My basic assumption is that the NRIS database is a good place to start, but that local and updated knowledge trump the NRIS and that locals (at least locals who have proven research skills!) should be given "right-of-way", if you will, in correcting the NRIS listings as used in Wikipedia. I don't think that necessarily means we are working at cross-purposes, but it apparently has led to some conflict. I guess all I would ask is that you be somewhat more deferential to local knowledge. For my part, I need to realize that you are just trying to improve the encyclopedia and not trying to take over from the locals. Katr67 ( talk) 23:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) I apologize for getting testy. This really must be painful to watch, where i am effectively questioning a lot that was done perfectly well before, in terms of getting Wikipedia to show the right thing already in many cases. Although I want to do it, it is not everyone's bag to do excruciating reconciliations and then correspond with the National Register and Oregon state about discrepancies which might change what they show (and then also NRHP.com etc.), but not change what we show in wikipedia. Anyhow, with the Federal Register link and other evidence, it is clear to even me that Bcola is an NRIS error, should show Ecola. And it was my bad to call anything wp:OR, i should have said uncited. I will change it to Ecola in the county list-table and report it to NRIS to correct. The
USS LCI-713 (Landing Craft) one was in Astoria in the old list but is not in the Oregon PDF. Wikipedia has 60 and Oregon PDF has 60; no known differences in the detail, so call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
02:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The Oregon report gives 32; the NRIS-based table gives 34. The latest added in both is the Emil and Ottilie Wienecke House. The NRIS table includes an Old US Post Office, 745 NW Wall, in Bend, which is the Old US Post Office in the Oregon report.
Perhaps there are three other house mislocated by NRIS into this county? Note, NRIS system provides for county location separately than city/town and accomodates a place being in one county yet "in the vicinity of" a town in a different county. The county is not looked up by them, it comes identified in the NRHP application for a site.
So to reconcile between the totals there must be at least one more listed in the Oregon report not in the NRIS table. What is the missing one, and what is the correct treatment for all 6 discrepancies, are each of these NRHP-listed places in the county or not. doncram ( talk) 15:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to help clear any of this up, but I will point out that the state SHPO database is in Beta, and it has typos, so I think it should only be considered a reliable source when there is another source to back it up. It could certainly be missing items. For that matter, the State PDF list of January has typos too, so it also can't be considered the final word. Cheers. Oh and P.S.
Shevlin, Oregon is a
company town/
ghost town that had at least three locations, two in Klamath County and one in Deschutes. The Shevlin-Hixon stuff was probably related to it. The town was bascially moved around using the railroad, so I don't know for sure, but it's quite likely it has been demolished. Nevermind, I see the mill was in Bend.
Katr67 (
talk)
21:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The NRIS-based table at National Register of Historic Places listings in Douglas County, Oregon lists 44; the Oregon report gives 46. One difference is:
doncram ( talk) 21:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Wikipedia table count is 38. Oregon PDF is 36. Not compared in detail, so there could be other differences, too, but the 2 difference could be explained by:
doncram (
talk)
00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Call it done.
Done
Wikipedia has 148 vs. Oregon PDF has 149 total: 1 net discrepancy.
Sort wikipedia table by town to compare. Note, wikipedia has showing in Ashland 5 places: Ashland Municipal Powerhouse, and Buckhorn Mineral Springs Resort and Dutchman Peak Lookout, Mountain House, and Reginald Parsons Dead Indian Lodge, while Oregon PDF shows those all in Ashland vicinity. The NRIS-based tables strip out the "vicinity of". Same for 3 of the 6 Butte Falls ones, Wikipedia omits "vicinity of".
William Bybee House is listed in NRIS in Medford, while Oregon PDF lists it in Central Point. Both have entries in each town. Which is its location?
Carpenter, A.S.V., and Helen Bundy House is listed in NRIS/wikipedia in Central Point, lists it in Medford as Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House. Article name should perhaps then be Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House with others redirected to it. Which is its location?
Dead Indian Soda Springs Shelter is in Eagle Point in NRIS/wikipedia; appears in Jacksonville in Oregon PDF.
Antelope Creek Bridge is not in NRIS/wikipedia, appears in Oregon PDF in Eagle Point. It is not individually listed in the NRHP infobox system (Addendum: not if you search just on the name, but, with refnum from elsewhere, searching on refnum yields infobox, shows it has listing status "RN" which must mean removed). What's up with it? Oregon PDF reports listing date 11/29/1979, refnum 79002071. This Waymarking.Com page explains: the bridge was taken down, reassembled by volunteers in 1987 to cross a different creek. "The bridge was on the National Register of Historic Places but alterations (arched window cutouts) during the reconstruction caused the bridge to be removed from the register." So the error appears to be in the Oregon PDF. Creating stub article for it.
Those are differences through Eagle Point in the NRIS/wikipedia list, others not checked.
The 1 discrepancy may be just the Antelope Creek Bridge one. Assume that is the case, call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
16:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
2 discrepancies: NRIS/wikipedia 3 vs. Oregon PDF 5. Difference is 2 in Oregon PDF:
Done
NRIS/wikipedia shows 57; Oregon PDF shows 58. 1 discrepancy at least, to resolve.
Oregon PDF lists Old Placer Mine on Rockydale Rd. in Cave Junction area, not in NRIS/wikipedia. What's up with that? Is it in this county, is it indeed NRHP-listed, etc.? Using refnum from Oregon PDF, individual NRHP infobox serves up that it has listing status "DR" in NRIS. Will ask what DR means. But assuming that means it is not currently NRHP-listed, and that the code properly applies to this place, the error appears to be in Oregon PDF list. Stub article started.
No other differences obvious, in listings through Cave Junction in NRIS/wikipedia, others not checked.
Perhaps the Old Placer Mine one is the only discrepancy. Call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
16:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
NRIS/wikipedia shows 28; Oregon PDF shows 27; at least net 1 discrepancy to resolve.
Lower Klamath National Wildlife Refuge shown in wikipedia in Worden; shows as Address Restricted, no town given, in Oregon PDF. Isn't this a public place, shouldn't its location be shown in Oregon PDF? Included in both tho.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Honeymoon Creek Snow-Survey Cabin with Ashland, OR given as its nearest town. New stub article for it shows coordinates placing it in Klamath County. Hmm, ok, shows in Unincorporated area in the Oregon PDF list.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Crater Lake Lodge in or near Klamath Falls; Oregon PDF lists in Crater Lake. Note, both list Rim Drive Historic District and Rim Village Historic District in Crater Lake. Seems NRIS/wikipedia perhaps could list Crater Lake Lodge in Crater Lake, then, but it is not a clear error.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Winthrow-Melhase Block; Oregon PDF omits. New stub article shows Stevens Hotel alternative name (which doesn't appear in Oregon PDF either) and verifies that its coordinates place it in Klamath County. Call this an Oregon PDF omission error.
That explains the one net discrepancy; call this done for reconciliation purposes.
doncram (
talk)
16:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Oregon PDF reports 125; the NRIS table (+3 post 4/2008 additions) reports 130. Discrepancy of net 5 to explain.
doncram ( talk) 06:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
NRIS-based wikipedia shows 34; Oregon PDF shows 35: 1 net discrepancy to explain.
Call this done.
doncram (
talk)
17:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Oregon PDF lists 68 while NRIS table had 65. Manual counting verifies Oregon PDF shows 68 items. The difference includes:
Revised, current Wikipedia list has 67 vs. 68 in Oregon PDF list: At least one more difference, not identified. doncram ( talk) 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
1 discrepancy: check if is the Malheur listing on same day as River Mill in 2001. Yes, it was Moses and Mary Hart Stone House and Ranch Complex, on weekly listing then. Added to
wp:NRIS info issues. Row added to wikipedia table. So 16 in wikipedia = 16 in Oregon PDF now.
Done
The NRIS table report for the county generates 109 entries. The modified wikipedia table for
National Register of Historic Places listings in Marion County, Oregon lists 106 entries(since updated), while the Oregon PDF reports 103. What are the differences, can anyone else spot them please?
Also, in Stayton, Oregon, the old wikipedia list included Mt. Pleasant Presbyterian Church which does not appear in the NRIS table. It shows in an individual NRIS report, however, so it seems NRIS must have it recorded in a different county. At first glance I don't see it included in the Oregon PDF report for this county. doncram ( talk) 09:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
That brings to 103 rows in wikipedia table, same as 103 in Oregon PDF. Call this done.
doncram (
talk)
20:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Discrepancy of 3.
Oregon PDF list appears to omit Barlow Road, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah, and Wasco counties.
Here are 2 of the 3 Multnomah Co. discrepancies: Paul Bunyan Statue (North Portland) and Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse (Northwest Portland) are both in the Wiki tables, but are too new to show up yet in the PDF. Ipoellet ( talk) 07:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The wikipedia list now shows 27 while a new NRIS table would show 26; the Oregon PDF shows 27. The discrepancy was
Edward St. Pierre House, which is in West Salem neighborhood that is in Polk County not in the main part of Salem that is in Marion County. Fixed by Katr67 in wikipedia list; stub article created by me; already recorded into
wp:NRIS info issues to request for National Register to fix its county field for this one. Call this done.
Done
Wikipedia table and NRIS report 33; Oregon PDF reports 33. But, Oregon PDF omits two:
So, the Oregon PDF must include two others not yet identified. doncram ( talk) 01:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Discrepancy of 2. 40 vs. 42?
The current NRIS-based table now in the article includes 41 listings, while the Oregon PDF reports 40. The relatively recent addition of Doriot-Rider Log House and the delisting of Washington County Jail are reflected in both. The discrepancy could be explained by the recently added Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House being included in the NRIS based table. It is stated to be in the vicinity of Portland. Perhaps it appears in a different county in the Oregon list? Which county should it be included into?
doncram ( talk) 23:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
41 in wikipedia table, difference vs. 40 in Oregon PDF is the Young House one. Call this done.
Done
NRIS-table/wikipedia lists 79; Oregon PDF shows 78. Net discrepancy of 1.
Done
This compares tallies in the wikipedia tables, vs. Oregon PDF with its January 2009 cutoff. Note, the Oregon total reported turns out to be exactly the sum of its county subtotals, with no allowance for duplications. The wikipedia total is a moving target. If a wikipedia omission or other error is identified, it should just be fixed. So reconcilation here will tend to show only apparent errors in Oregon PDF, not wikipedia errors.
References
Reconciliation | |
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Oregon total | 1891 |
less duplications (sites spanning counties) shown in Oregon PDF, not accounted for in Ore total | (2) |
plus Oregon not yet showing new NRIS sites | 5 |
less Oregon misidentifications of sites as NRIS | (8) |
plus Oregon omitting to recognize other NRIS sites (including duplications) | 14 |
less duplications among those omissions | (4) |
Subtotal | 1896 |
less Wikipedia total | 1896 |
yet to be identified, net | 0 ! |
I've been doing a lot of disambiguation of NRHP articles recently and have come across a number of cases where an Oregon NRHP has been set up to have ndash in its title, such as for Buckler–Henry House which is currently a red-link, listed within National Register of Historic Places listings in Southeast Portland, Oregon. I think the ndash is technically correct, but in most or all other states, editors have not replaced hyphens in the NRHP list-articles. I come across it just now because i was developing Henry House disambiguation page, which should cover the Buckler-Henry House among others, and the approach i use tries a hyphen version first. And i've come across another Oregon one or two recently. It's appropriate, I believe, to set up a redirect from hyphenated Buckler-Henry House to ndashed Buckler–Henry House, so readers searching for it will find it. But such a redirect will get deleted by a bot if the target is a red-link. So I want to create a stub article for the place now, too, as part of fixing the situation permanently.
And in general to address these, what i'd like to do is run AWB to find the occurences of ndash in the Oregon NRHP list-articles, and to create stub articles for them, and to set up redirects from the hyphenated versions of the names. I wonder if Oregon editors are fine with that, or if anyone would prefer something different. I could also list the occurences here for Oregon editors to revisit, but don't want to bother if no one cares about the stubs being created. I'll watch here for comments. -- doncram ( talk) 15:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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...is how its primarly (and somewhat out of date) listing is at the NRHP. [1] aka "Tillamook Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangars" aka "US Naval Air Station Tillamook County". So we are talking about the actual hangar being the historic thing in question. Does the hanger=the air station, or were there more structures involved with the air station than just the hangar? I was thinking that the hanger in this article should redirect to the Tillamook Air Museum. If the museum is in the hangar (is the hangar), then perhaps we can cover the history of the remaining hangar in the museum article. I renamed your link back to reflect the NRHP designation, but left it pointing to the air station article for now. In any case, if we are pointing a national historic place link somewhere, that somewhere ought to have the best information about the structure in question. What do you think? (I hope that made sense.) Katr67 23:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I believe that pointing the link at the Naval Air Station Tillamook article is the best way to go. Perhaps there should be a redirect page for US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar B to Naval Air Station Tillamook(?), though I don't like that it doesn't specifically say Tillamook in the name of the link/article. Might there have been more than one US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar possibly named "B"? semifamous 18:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Search string "National Register of Historic Places" at the Salem Public Library Historic Photograph Collection Katr67 04:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
A discussion (and a bit of action) has been started about standardizing the tables for all the state's NRHP lists. Discussion can be found here. Input is encouraged! Murderbike ( talk) 06:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Katr67 ( talk) 22:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, i started developing this state list into a format that has seemed to work in some other state NRHP lists, with a leading summary table. I added more tables and then also started splitting out any counties with more than 40 or so NRHP listings, to keep file size down. Hope this is okay. doncram ( talk) 03:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Newer listings since tables' 4/2008 source may require new rows in tables. Following are new listings, to be struck out as added or verified covered in tables (from weekly listings indexed at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm):
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Whiteside Theatre,
361 SW Madison Ave.,
Corvallis, 09000060,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Camp Arboretum Sign Shop,
8592-8399 NW Peavy Arboretum,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000544,
LISTED, 6/25/08
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Oregon State University Historic District,
Monroe and Orchard Ave., 30th St., Washington Wy., Jefferson Ave., 11th St.,
Corvallis, 08000546,
LISTED, 6/25/08
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Children's Farm Home School,
4455 US 20 NE.,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000254,
LISTED, 3/25/08
OREGON, CLACKAMAS COUNTY,
Canemah Historic District,
Roughly bounded by Willamette River, 5th Ave., Marshall and Paquet Sts.,
Oregon City, 78002279,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 2/25/09
OREGON, DESCHUTES COUNTY,
Wienecke, Emil and Ottilie, House,
1325 NW. Federal St.,
Bend, 08000472,
LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, JACKSON COUNTY,
Putnam-Neff House,
227 N. Berkeley Wy.,
Medford, 08000337,
LISTED, 4/25/08
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Boyer, Clarence and Ethel, House,
1138 E. 22nd Ave.,
Eugene, 09000061,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Willakenzie Grange Hall,
3055 Willakenzie Rd.,
Eugene, 08001368,
LISTED, 1/22/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Eugene Civic Stadium,
2077 Willamette St.,
Eugene, 08000183,
LISTED, 10/06/08
OREGON, LINCOLN COUNTY,
Ernest Bloch House,
116 NW. Gilbert Way,
Newport, 09000049,
DETERMINED ELIGIBLE, 2/09/09
OREGON, LINN COUNTY,
Albany Monteith Historic District (Boundary Increase),
Elm St. SW to Calapooia and 19th Ave. SW to 11th and 12th Aves. SW,
Albany, 08001017,
LISTED, 11/13/08
OREGON, MARION COUNTY,
Paris Woolen Mill,
535 E. Florence St.,
Stayton, 81000511,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Paul Bunyan Statue, SW corner of N. Denver Ave. and N. Interstate Ave., Portland, 08001393, LISTED, 1/28/09
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse, 2181 NW Nicolai St., Portland, 08001263, LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Bohnsen Cottages, 1918-1926 SW. Elm St. and 2412-2416 SW. Vista Ave., Portland, 08001182, LISTED, 12/04/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS BLUEBACK (submarine), 1945 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River, Portland, 08000947, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 12/03/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District, Roughly bounded by Harbor Dr., Everett, 3rd, and Oak Sts., Portland, 75001597, NHL ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/06/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS BLUEBACK (submarine), 1495 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River, Portland, 08000947, LISTED, 9/18/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House, 2643 SW. Buenavista Dr., Portland, 08000405, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 7/02/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Campbell Court Hotel, 1115 SW 11th Ave, Portland, 08000559, LISTED, 6/25/08 (Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS)
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS 64500893, ADDITIONAL COVER DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 6/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Mount Hood Masonic Temple, 5308 N. Commercial Ave., Portland, 08000473, LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House, 2643 SW. Buena Vista Dr., Portland, 08000405, LISTED, 5/15/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, USS LCI-713 (Landing Craft), 1401 N. Hayden Island Dr., Portland, 07000300, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 4/09/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House,
12050 NW Cornell Rd.,
Portland vicinity, 08001264,
LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Washington County Jail,
872 N.E. Twenty-eighth Ave.,
Hillsboro, 86002090,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Doriot-Rider Log House,
14850 132nd Terr, SW,
Tigard, 08000554,
LISTED, 6/25/08
(gone back through October weekly listings, more to add going back to April 2008)
doncram (
talk)
15:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Please don't delete or comment out editing notes that are in the article. These don't properly belong permanently there, i agree. If someone wants to move them here to this development section in the Talk page, that is fine also, but if doing so please do with care to identify exactly where/what section they refer to. I think it is easier to leave them in the article temporarily while it is under active development. Sorry if it seemed like I stopped developing by my being away from this for a couple days. I am not done, will address all those question marks and other notes (eventually by moving any unresolveable ones to Talk page). doncram ( talk) 16:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Counties not finished in "table-izing" are indicated by question marks.
County | # of Sites | |
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4 | 60 | |
10 | 44? | |
14 | 39 | |
17 | 57 | |
18 | 28 | |
19 | 16 | |
20 | 130 | |
22 | 65 | |
24 | ||
30 | 39 | |
31 | 19 | |
34 | 41 |
Other edit notes were about what is correct punctuation to use for George A. Wells, Jr. House in Polk County. Should it be George A. Wells, Jr., House or George A. Wells, Jr. House? Either way, can set up redirect from other.
And for Edward W. St. Pierre House, also in Polk County, listed in table now as being in vicinity of Salem, the listing did not appear in the table. Is it newer than 4/2008? No, it is now reported as listing February 21, 1989. Has it been delisted and that is not reported in Oregon state list, or is there an error in Federal NRIS to be reported?
I think then there are no remaining editor notes in the list-article, except for the old list info yet to be cross-checked vs. tables, for Klamath, Lake, and Union counties. doncram ( talk) 19:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem with several locations in Oregon is that cities like Salem are in two counties. (And "vicinity" listings are of course vague and don't always mean a structure is in the same county as the city in which it is listed.) Again, I don't know what source you are using, but often the "official" listings put listed structures in the wrong county--Salem locations often default to Marion County although the city is also in Polk County. Please see the above diff and the county subpages for the corrected locations of these structures. Please don't rely on the "official" listings, except for the Oregon SHPO list of January, which has everything in the right counties. So there's really no mystery--us locals have already worked out most of these issues. Check the old version of the page if something seems to be missing. Katr67 ( talk) 18:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Done for now, on basis that it appears most likely that the
River Mill Hydroelectric Project is not NRHP-listed, probably having an owner objection. So the wikipedia county-list article is excluding it from the main table and its total count. I put it down on the inquiries to go to the National Register and the state of Oregon, however.
doncram (
talk) 21:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC) Aargh. I went to create the article about the property, anyhow, and then paid more attention to
Ipoellet's mention that it appears in NRHP's 2001 weekly listings. I found it there, oddly with a different listing date than the date given in the NRIS database individual listing with DR status (and hence in all the NRIS mirror sites). Re-evaluating, it seems this is an NRIS error only. So i added a row for it into the Clackamas NRHP list-table. Now Wikipedia total = 78 = Oregon PDF total. Recording into
wp:NRIS info issues about NR status and about date. So, again, done for now, but differently.
doncram (
talk)
21:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
NRIS table in National Register of Historic Places listings in Clatsop County, Oregon has 60; Oregon PDF has 60. But
Glancing quickly i don't see either of these in the Oregon PDF list for Clatsop county. doncram ( talk) 22:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
(unindent)Why are you addressing me in the third person? I don't mean to be belligerent. I guess I should have spelled out more clearly that the typo is in the NRIS system (and since perpetuated by all those crappy NRHP mirror sites). But, as I've explained previously, several of us have worked hard to make the original list (pre-table) free of typos (I know not all states are like this). That's why the Ecola Point Site redirected to Ecola State Park. So to me it seemed clear that "Ecola" is the correct spelling of the locale, sorry if it didn't seem that way to you.
It's an honest question about Google. I work for the government, I've been paid to do research, I've worked as a fact-checker for newspapers, I've had the "inside scoop" on news reported in the paper, and I have maintained databases, and I can assure you that government sites (and newspapers, and databases!) are not the be-all-and-end-all of accuracy. It just seems odd to me that you are asking questions about things that I was easily able to cross-check with a quick Google (or whatever search engine) search in order to find a half-dozen sources that show the current name, status, etc. of these sites. Like I've noted elsewhere, it's frustrating to have to answer questions re: spelling, usage, current name of site that I felt have already been handled. I know you're not trying to reinvent the wheel, and I'm not wanting to come across as all WP:OWN about this, but since the Oregon folks have local knowledge that may trump the databases and lists, I was hoping you could make the assumption that the links, titles, locations, etc. in the original list were fairly accurate and that you could check out any discrepancies yourself and see that the corrections were...correct. I can see now that some of the corrections will need to be cited. I (and others) just quietly fixed things without tracking or citing how we arrived at the conclusions we did, but that doesn't help you very much, as you (and anyone else coming along) have no idea what our thought process and research into the matter were. I appreciate that you are going to point out some of these inaccuracies to the NRIS folks--that will help a lot.
I guess I need to know what your basic assumptions are about NRIS. Do you, until evidence is given to the contrary, assume that the NRIS database is correct? That's a fine assumption, of course. My basic assumption is that the NRIS database is a good place to start, but that local and updated knowledge trump the NRIS and that locals (at least locals who have proven research skills!) should be given "right-of-way", if you will, in correcting the NRIS listings as used in Wikipedia. I don't think that necessarily means we are working at cross-purposes, but it apparently has led to some conflict. I guess all I would ask is that you be somewhat more deferential to local knowledge. For my part, I need to realize that you are just trying to improve the encyclopedia and not trying to take over from the locals. Katr67 ( talk) 23:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) I apologize for getting testy. This really must be painful to watch, where i am effectively questioning a lot that was done perfectly well before, in terms of getting Wikipedia to show the right thing already in many cases. Although I want to do it, it is not everyone's bag to do excruciating reconciliations and then correspond with the National Register and Oregon state about discrepancies which might change what they show (and then also NRHP.com etc.), but not change what we show in wikipedia. Anyhow, with the Federal Register link and other evidence, it is clear to even me that Bcola is an NRIS error, should show Ecola. And it was my bad to call anything wp:OR, i should have said uncited. I will change it to Ecola in the county list-table and report it to NRIS to correct. The
USS LCI-713 (Landing Craft) one was in Astoria in the old list but is not in the Oregon PDF. Wikipedia has 60 and Oregon PDF has 60; no known differences in the detail, so call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
02:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The Oregon report gives 32; the NRIS-based table gives 34. The latest added in both is the Emil and Ottilie Wienecke House. The NRIS table includes an Old US Post Office, 745 NW Wall, in Bend, which is the Old US Post Office in the Oregon report.
Perhaps there are three other house mislocated by NRIS into this county? Note, NRIS system provides for county location separately than city/town and accomodates a place being in one county yet "in the vicinity of" a town in a different county. The county is not looked up by them, it comes identified in the NRHP application for a site.
So to reconcile between the totals there must be at least one more listed in the Oregon report not in the NRIS table. What is the missing one, and what is the correct treatment for all 6 discrepancies, are each of these NRHP-listed places in the county or not. doncram ( talk) 15:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to help clear any of this up, but I will point out that the state SHPO database is in Beta, and it has typos, so I think it should only be considered a reliable source when there is another source to back it up. It could certainly be missing items. For that matter, the State PDF list of January has typos too, so it also can't be considered the final word. Cheers. Oh and P.S.
Shevlin, Oregon is a
company town/
ghost town that had at least three locations, two in Klamath County and one in Deschutes. The Shevlin-Hixon stuff was probably related to it. The town was bascially moved around using the railroad, so I don't know for sure, but it's quite likely it has been demolished. Nevermind, I see the mill was in Bend.
Katr67 (
talk)
21:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The NRIS-based table at National Register of Historic Places listings in Douglas County, Oregon lists 44; the Oregon report gives 46. One difference is:
doncram ( talk) 21:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Wikipedia table count is 38. Oregon PDF is 36. Not compared in detail, so there could be other differences, too, but the 2 difference could be explained by:
doncram (
talk)
00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Call it done.
Done
Wikipedia has 148 vs. Oregon PDF has 149 total: 1 net discrepancy.
Sort wikipedia table by town to compare. Note, wikipedia has showing in Ashland 5 places: Ashland Municipal Powerhouse, and Buckhorn Mineral Springs Resort and Dutchman Peak Lookout, Mountain House, and Reginald Parsons Dead Indian Lodge, while Oregon PDF shows those all in Ashland vicinity. The NRIS-based tables strip out the "vicinity of". Same for 3 of the 6 Butte Falls ones, Wikipedia omits "vicinity of".
William Bybee House is listed in NRIS in Medford, while Oregon PDF lists it in Central Point. Both have entries in each town. Which is its location?
Carpenter, A.S.V., and Helen Bundy House is listed in NRIS/wikipedia in Central Point, lists it in Medford as Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House. Article name should perhaps then be Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House with others redirected to it. Which is its location?
Dead Indian Soda Springs Shelter is in Eagle Point in NRIS/wikipedia; appears in Jacksonville in Oregon PDF.
Antelope Creek Bridge is not in NRIS/wikipedia, appears in Oregon PDF in Eagle Point. It is not individually listed in the NRHP infobox system (Addendum: not if you search just on the name, but, with refnum from elsewhere, searching on refnum yields infobox, shows it has listing status "RN" which must mean removed). What's up with it? Oregon PDF reports listing date 11/29/1979, refnum 79002071. This Waymarking.Com page explains: the bridge was taken down, reassembled by volunteers in 1987 to cross a different creek. "The bridge was on the National Register of Historic Places but alterations (arched window cutouts) during the reconstruction caused the bridge to be removed from the register." So the error appears to be in the Oregon PDF. Creating stub article for it.
Those are differences through Eagle Point in the NRIS/wikipedia list, others not checked.
The 1 discrepancy may be just the Antelope Creek Bridge one. Assume that is the case, call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
16:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
2 discrepancies: NRIS/wikipedia 3 vs. Oregon PDF 5. Difference is 2 in Oregon PDF:
Done
NRIS/wikipedia shows 57; Oregon PDF shows 58. 1 discrepancy at least, to resolve.
Oregon PDF lists Old Placer Mine on Rockydale Rd. in Cave Junction area, not in NRIS/wikipedia. What's up with that? Is it in this county, is it indeed NRHP-listed, etc.? Using refnum from Oregon PDF, individual NRHP infobox serves up that it has listing status "DR" in NRIS. Will ask what DR means. But assuming that means it is not currently NRHP-listed, and that the code properly applies to this place, the error appears to be in Oregon PDF list. Stub article started.
No other differences obvious, in listings through Cave Junction in NRIS/wikipedia, others not checked.
Perhaps the Old Placer Mine one is the only discrepancy. Call this county done.
doncram (
talk)
16:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
NRIS/wikipedia shows 28; Oregon PDF shows 27; at least net 1 discrepancy to resolve.
Lower Klamath National Wildlife Refuge shown in wikipedia in Worden; shows as Address Restricted, no town given, in Oregon PDF. Isn't this a public place, shouldn't its location be shown in Oregon PDF? Included in both tho.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Honeymoon Creek Snow-Survey Cabin with Ashland, OR given as its nearest town. New stub article for it shows coordinates placing it in Klamath County. Hmm, ok, shows in Unincorporated area in the Oregon PDF list.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Crater Lake Lodge in or near Klamath Falls; Oregon PDF lists in Crater Lake. Note, both list Rim Drive Historic District and Rim Village Historic District in Crater Lake. Seems NRIS/wikipedia perhaps could list Crater Lake Lodge in Crater Lake, then, but it is not a clear error.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Winthrow-Melhase Block; Oregon PDF omits. New stub article shows Stevens Hotel alternative name (which doesn't appear in Oregon PDF either) and verifies that its coordinates place it in Klamath County. Call this an Oregon PDF omission error.
That explains the one net discrepancy; call this done for reconciliation purposes.
doncram (
talk)
16:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Oregon PDF reports 125; the NRIS table (+3 post 4/2008 additions) reports 130. Discrepancy of net 5 to explain.
doncram ( talk) 06:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
NRIS-based wikipedia shows 34; Oregon PDF shows 35: 1 net discrepancy to explain.
Call this done.
doncram (
talk)
17:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Oregon PDF lists 68 while NRIS table had 65. Manual counting verifies Oregon PDF shows 68 items. The difference includes:
Revised, current Wikipedia list has 67 vs. 68 in Oregon PDF list: At least one more difference, not identified. doncram ( talk) 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
1 discrepancy: check if is the Malheur listing on same day as River Mill in 2001. Yes, it was Moses and Mary Hart Stone House and Ranch Complex, on weekly listing then. Added to
wp:NRIS info issues. Row added to wikipedia table. So 16 in wikipedia = 16 in Oregon PDF now.
Done
The NRIS table report for the county generates 109 entries. The modified wikipedia table for
National Register of Historic Places listings in Marion County, Oregon lists 106 entries(since updated), while the Oregon PDF reports 103. What are the differences, can anyone else spot them please?
Also, in Stayton, Oregon, the old wikipedia list included Mt. Pleasant Presbyterian Church which does not appear in the NRIS table. It shows in an individual NRIS report, however, so it seems NRIS must have it recorded in a different county. At first glance I don't see it included in the Oregon PDF report for this county. doncram ( talk) 09:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
That brings to 103 rows in wikipedia table, same as 103 in Oregon PDF. Call this done.
doncram (
talk)
20:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Discrepancy of 3.
Oregon PDF list appears to omit Barlow Road, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah, and Wasco counties.
Here are 2 of the 3 Multnomah Co. discrepancies: Paul Bunyan Statue (North Portland) and Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse (Northwest Portland) are both in the Wiki tables, but are too new to show up yet in the PDF. Ipoellet ( talk) 07:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
The wikipedia list now shows 27 while a new NRIS table would show 26; the Oregon PDF shows 27. The discrepancy was
Edward St. Pierre House, which is in West Salem neighborhood that is in Polk County not in the main part of Salem that is in Marion County. Fixed by Katr67 in wikipedia list; stub article created by me; already recorded into
wp:NRIS info issues to request for National Register to fix its county field for this one. Call this done.
Done
Wikipedia table and NRIS report 33; Oregon PDF reports 33. But, Oregon PDF omits two:
So, the Oregon PDF must include two others not yet identified. doncram ( talk) 01:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Done
Discrepancy of 2. 40 vs. 42?
The current NRIS-based table now in the article includes 41 listings, while the Oregon PDF reports 40. The relatively recent addition of Doriot-Rider Log House and the delisting of Washington County Jail are reflected in both. The discrepancy could be explained by the recently added Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House being included in the NRIS based table. It is stated to be in the vicinity of Portland. Perhaps it appears in a different county in the Oregon list? Which county should it be included into?
doncram ( talk) 23:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
41 in wikipedia table, difference vs. 40 in Oregon PDF is the Young House one. Call this done.
Done
NRIS-table/wikipedia lists 79; Oregon PDF shows 78. Net discrepancy of 1.
Done
This compares tallies in the wikipedia tables, vs. Oregon PDF with its January 2009 cutoff. Note, the Oregon total reported turns out to be exactly the sum of its county subtotals, with no allowance for duplications. The wikipedia total is a moving target. If a wikipedia omission or other error is identified, it should just be fixed. So reconcilation here will tend to show only apparent errors in Oregon PDF, not wikipedia errors.
References
Reconciliation | |
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Oregon total | 1891 |
less duplications (sites spanning counties) shown in Oregon PDF, not accounted for in Ore total | (2) |
plus Oregon not yet showing new NRIS sites | 5 |
less Oregon misidentifications of sites as NRIS | (8) |
plus Oregon omitting to recognize other NRIS sites (including duplications) | 14 |
less duplications among those omissions | (4) |
Subtotal | 1896 |
less Wikipedia total | 1896 |
yet to be identified, net | 0 ! |
I've been doing a lot of disambiguation of NRHP articles recently and have come across a number of cases where an Oregon NRHP has been set up to have ndash in its title, such as for Buckler–Henry House which is currently a red-link, listed within National Register of Historic Places listings in Southeast Portland, Oregon. I think the ndash is technically correct, but in most or all other states, editors have not replaced hyphens in the NRHP list-articles. I come across it just now because i was developing Henry House disambiguation page, which should cover the Buckler-Henry House among others, and the approach i use tries a hyphen version first. And i've come across another Oregon one or two recently. It's appropriate, I believe, to set up a redirect from hyphenated Buckler-Henry House to ndashed Buckler–Henry House, so readers searching for it will find it. But such a redirect will get deleted by a bot if the target is a red-link. So I want to create a stub article for the place now, too, as part of fixing the situation permanently.
And in general to address these, what i'd like to do is run AWB to find the occurences of ndash in the Oregon NRHP list-articles, and to create stub articles for them, and to set up redirects from the hyphenated versions of the names. I wonder if Oregon editors are fine with that, or if anyone would prefer something different. I could also list the occurences here for Oregon editors to revisit, but don't want to bother if no one cares about the stubs being created. I'll watch here for comments. -- doncram ( talk) 15:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)