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Hi, regarding the cites at the above article, please have a look at WP:CITENEEDREMOVE. You may feel that the tags are unnecessary, but the policy at WP:V requires that citations be provided for material which is challenged. By challenging this material with a {{ cn}} tag, I am requesting that someone provide a cite. If the material is all cited in the main article, then it shouldn't be too difficult to use the same cites at this article, but citing things in other pages is never a substitute - articles are expected to be standalone, if only because content can change in other articles. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 21:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Wuerzele ( talk) 21:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I think this article needs to account better for the fact that the NIF itself proposed this "scientific breakeven" measure, and that getting more energy than the lasers put in is not equivalent to getting more energy than was put into the lasers. Tangle10 ( talk) 16:34, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a nice description of the "early days" at https://www.llnl.gov/archives/1970s#event-laser-program-established. I think the current article is not quite right in asserting that the Livermore Lab initially decided to focus on "glass" (Nd-YAG) lasers. This was cetainly the focus of Emmett (who had worked on ND-YAG systems at the Naval Research Laboratory, if memory serves me correctly) and Krupke, but others, such as Yu Li Pan (phonetic), were working on high powered carbon dioxide lasers. There were other significant players as well - Lowell Wood and Edward Teller. Teller was head of the Physics Department at Livermore at the time, and Lowell worked with him on special projects. These comments reflect my perceptions, based on working for Lowell within project Y in the summer of 1972. I am not going to start editing on this subject, but perhaps this will be food for thought for other people. Y-project, by the way, was not strictly fusion at that time, but nevertheless was the home for what would evolve into that effort. 2601:151:4680:3990:34B2:9DFE:BFDB:7797 ( talk) 22:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Our article currently says that the NIF achieved "scientific breakeven on December 5, 2022, with an experiment producing 3.15 megajoules of energy". It then says "The feat required the use of [blah blah blah], yielding 3.88 MJ, an 89% surplus." So which is it? 3.15 MJ or 3.88 MJ? Nosferattus ( talk) 19:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, regarding the cites at the above article, please have a look at WP:CITENEEDREMOVE. You may feel that the tags are unnecessary, but the policy at WP:V requires that citations be provided for material which is challenged. By challenging this material with a {{ cn}} tag, I am requesting that someone provide a cite. If the material is all cited in the main article, then it shouldn't be too difficult to use the same cites at this article, but citing things in other pages is never a substitute - articles are expected to be standalone, if only because content can change in other articles. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 21:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Wuerzele ( talk) 21:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
I think this article needs to account better for the fact that the NIF itself proposed this "scientific breakeven" measure, and that getting more energy than the lasers put in is not equivalent to getting more energy than was put into the lasers. Tangle10 ( talk) 16:34, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
There is a nice description of the "early days" at https://www.llnl.gov/archives/1970s#event-laser-program-established. I think the current article is not quite right in asserting that the Livermore Lab initially decided to focus on "glass" (Nd-YAG) lasers. This was cetainly the focus of Emmett (who had worked on ND-YAG systems at the Naval Research Laboratory, if memory serves me correctly) and Krupke, but others, such as Yu Li Pan (phonetic), were working on high powered carbon dioxide lasers. There were other significant players as well - Lowell Wood and Edward Teller. Teller was head of the Physics Department at Livermore at the time, and Lowell worked with him on special projects. These comments reflect my perceptions, based on working for Lowell within project Y in the summer of 1972. I am not going to start editing on this subject, but perhaps this will be food for thought for other people. Y-project, by the way, was not strictly fusion at that time, but nevertheless was the home for what would evolve into that effort. 2601:151:4680:3990:34B2:9DFE:BFDB:7797 ( talk) 22:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Our article currently says that the NIF achieved "scientific breakeven on December 5, 2022, with an experiment producing 3.15 megajoules of energy". It then says "The feat required the use of [blah blah blah], yielding 3.88 MJ, an 89% surplus." So which is it? 3.15 MJ or 3.88 MJ? Nosferattus ( talk) 19:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)