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A museum advertises by providing information about its exhibits. Incidentally, this is also the information relevant to a Wikipedia entry about a museum. The dividing line between an advertisement and objective information is whether that information is being endorsed as especially interesting or significant. I removed two sections of this article: a quote from a Supreme Court Judge praising the Constitution center, and a bulleted list of the "exhibitions features" which read like it was straight from a museum pamphlet. With these two removed I think the article is mostly free from bias. Thoughts? FlavoredSpace ( talk) 22:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Any news on the new Exec Dir?--!!!! Joseph Torsella. Spikebrennan 04:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
-- This entire article reads like a press release from the entity under examination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.222.165.65 ( talk) 12:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm originally from Philly and I remember when they were redeveloping Independence Mall, there was some controversy over building on land that the state had once condemned because of the need for more greenspace in Center City (also taken away for the visitor center and the huge new Liberty Bell pavilion)
Also, I've been at the NCC a few times and I personally think its exhibitions far oversimplify complex political and legal issues for fear of patronizing the relatively constitutionally uninformed masses. The result is a pretty juvenile museum. Does anyone know of any sourceable criticism of the Center along these lines? 24.207.160.25 07:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Far as I can tell, the coords are correct, yet the pushpin appears across the river in Gloucester County. Any idea what went wrong? Jim.henderson ( talk) 12:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Switch to use {Location_map/simple}: On 20 September 2012, I inserted a separate mapper template below the infobox, as {{
Location_map/simple}}, to correctly display the map marker within Pennsylvania, rather than further south in New Jersey, across the river. There had been problems for months with {{
Location_map}} used by the infobox, and attempts were made to fix the marker location by adding internal "line-height:0" in the marker's div-section style. Some users thought the marker shift was caused by using
HTML 5 (triggered by tag "<!DOCTYPE html>"), but the marker shift had also occurred before the switch to HTML 5. Later, it was discovered that some other browsers also shifted the marker slightly, and on 11 April 2014, the markup in {Location_map/simple} was rewritten to reduce the map shift and retain the marker location within the Pennsylvania borders. At this point, various versions of
MSIE (such as
IE7) need to be tested at several user sites, and document which product versions seem to shift the marker low when the infobox map is activated. Meanwhile, other pages with maps noted in 2012 seem to have been fixed by changes to {Location_map}, but this map case (with Pennsylvania) had remained untested. See related 2012 discussion:
• "
WP:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_103#HTML 5 snafu - pushpin points moved south".
Below is another example where {Location_map} had shifted the marker dot too low (to the "other side of the river") in a map of
Manhattan. Compare New York maps:
Other factors considered were the CSS class names, but div-tag class="thumbinner" was found to have no effect in shifting the marker. - Wikid77 ( talk) 14:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
People have reported how Template:Infobox_NRHP was improved by the 2012 fixes to show the correct marker spot in " 170-176 John Street Building", but it sets "caption=" empty in {{ Location map}}. However, Template:Infobox_museum had been showing the marker with a lower "south" shift, while using {Location_map} with a caption(?). Compare maps, with 2nd omitting the caption:
With {Location map/simple} |
With {Location map} - no caption |
So, what happens when the "caption=" is not empty (and shifts the marker lower), where the caption div-section could shift the relative placement of the marker+label, and is this related to a "line-height:0" problem in the caption portion of the map? I am too busy to do much more this hour, but perhaps could compare generated HTML several hours from now. We need people to run more tests with IE7 and IE8. - Wikid77 ( talk) 19:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Template:Location map | Template:Location map/simple | |
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Thanks for posting those. I look forward to hearing the reasoning behind those odd scale factors.
I restored the map to the infobox a short while ago. The only reason I could see for using a separate map was the missing map label and that was easily added. I'm unsure whether it needs a map label + caption, or what they should both be, but they're easy to change if anyone has a better idea.
I note Wikid77 you post here "evidence is growing" that older browsers shift the map marker down, but you've yet to provide any evidence. Please provide screenshots - if you don't have access to a machine with such browsers there are many sites you can use.-- JohnBlackburne words deeds 21:02, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I couldn't see major differences between other browsers and IE7. But when there is a caption, there is a 1px gray border on the position frame that holds the image. If you know about CSS boxmodel, you will realize that any image with a caption will thus have 2 px short on the width of frame (the 720px big images above only get 718px frame), skewing the percentage and the position of the marker. DON'T put borders on the position frame that holds the image and the markers. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the reply section below for more information about this request. |
I work for the National Constitution Center and I'd like to make some updates to the page. There are currently inaccuracies and out-of-date information and I'd love to help improve the page. Should I post suggested edits here, in the talk page? Housefinch1787 ( talk) 19:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housefinch1787 ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Below are the edits I'd like to suggest for the National Constitution Center Page:
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Edit 1: Delete “houses the Annenberg Center for Education and Outreach, which” In the first paragraph. The new sentence should read: The center offers civic learning resources onsite and online. The reason for this edit is because the Annenberg center doesn’t exist anymore. Edit 2: Add citation to Background section: citation should go after the sentence, “The Center shall disseminate information about the United States Constitution on a non-partisan basis in order to increase the awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.” [1] Edit 3: Add Bill Clinton in Leadership section: George H. W. Bush was chairman from 2007-2009 (not 2013) Bill Clinton was chairman from 2009-2012 [2] Edit 4: Combine Main Exhibition and Featured Exhibition Sections: The information in these sections is very out of date, and contains misinformation. The new combined section, titled “Main exhibition” should read as follows: The museum’s original components include Freedom Rising, The Story of We the People, and Signer’s Hall. Freedom Rising is the 17-minute, 360° theatrical production in the Sidney Kimmel Theater tracing the American quest for freedom. The Story of We the People exhibit in the Richard and Helen DeVos Exhibition Hall is an interactive exhibition highlighting the history of the Constitution with over 100 hands-on and multimedia exhibits. The Signers' Hall is a stylized evocation of the Assembly Room in the Pennsylvania State House (now known as Independence Hall), where the signers of the Constitution met on September 17, 1787. The room has life-sized, bronze statues. [3] Since 2014, the center has also featured Constituting Liberty: From the Declaration to the Bill of Rights, which includes displays of a first edition Stone Engraving of the Declaration of Independence, a rare copy of the first public printing of the U.S. Constitution, and one of the 12 surviving copies of the Bill of Rights in the George H.W. Bush Gallery. [4] In 2017, the center added American Treasures: Documenting the Nation’s Founding in the rare document gallery, featuring five drafts of the U.S. Constitution, including Pennsylvania delegate James Wilson's own handwritten drafts. [5] In 2019, the center opened Civil War and Reconstruction: The Battle for Freedom and Equality, a permanent exhibit which includes over 100 artifacts such as original copies of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. [6] Edit 5: Update Civic Education Section: The wording of this section needs to change because the Annenberg center doesn’t exist anymore. It also needs to be updated to reflect the ongoing efforts of the Center to provide a platform for civic education. The section should read: Originally through its Annenberg Center for Education and Outreach, the center has offered onsite and online civic-education programs and develops and distributes teaching tools, lesson plans and resources. [7] In September 2006 the center helped launch Constitution High School, a college-preparatory, citywide magnet school and "the only Philadelphia School District high school whose theme is [sic] Law, Democracy, and History." [8] In 2015, the center launched the Interactive Constitution, a platform which brings together the top conservative and liberal legal scholars in America to discuss areas of agreement and disagreement about every clause of the Constitution. [9] Edit 6: Update Public Engagement Section: The listing of people who have been guests of the NCC is out of date George W. Bush should be added to the presidents section, and Anthony M. Kennedy and Samuel A. Alito should be added to the list of supreme court justices. Section should read as follows: As a national town hall, the center has welcomed former presidents, Supreme Court justices, journalists, pundits, scholars and entertainers at political discussions and book events. Guests include Presidents Barack Obama, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Vice President Dick Cheney; First Lady Laura Bush; Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Anthony M. Kennedy, Samuel A. Alito, and Sonia Sotomayor; Newt Gingrich; Karl Rove; Donna Brazile, and journalists Tavis Smiley, Gwen Ifill, Tina Brown, Andrea Mitchell and Tom Brokaw. The center has hosted several debates, including a 2008 Democratic presidential primary debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama [10] a town hall meeting with Senator John McCain, [11] and a 2006 Pennsylvania Senatorial debate between Republican incumbent Rick Santorum and Democratic challenger Bob Casey. [12] Edit 7: Update Liberty Medal Section: Liberty medal section currently doesn't have anyone named that has won it in the past few years. Update this section to name the most recent ten winners. Section should read: In 2006 the center became home to the Liberty Medal, an annual award established in 1988 to recognize "men and women of courage and conviction who strive to secure the blessings of liberty to people around the globe." [13] Recent Liberty Medal recipients have included George W. Bush and Laura Bush, Senator John McCain, John Lewis, the Dalai Lama, Hillary Clinton, Muhammad Ali, Robert Gates, Tony Blair, and Steven Spielberg. [14] Edit 8: Remove Jeffrey Rosen from the Presidential involvement section: The section should read: Former President George H. W. Bush became chairman of the center's board of trustees in 2007. His successor as chair, Bill Clinton, served from 2009 to 2012. On March 18, 2008, while campaigning for the presidency, Senator Barack Obama delivered a speech on racial issues (" A More Perfect Union") at the center. The center hosted Senators Obama and Hillary Clinton for their Pennsylvania presidential-primary debate on April 16 of that year. [15] Edit 9: The Artifacts Section does not reflect the artifacts that the NCC currently has: Section should read: Two days after the Constitution was signed its text was printed in the Pennsylvania Packet and Daily Advertiser, a local newspaper. A rare copy of this first publication is housed at the center in the George H. W. Bush Gallery adjacent to Signers' Hall. The center received its copy on September 11, 2001. Additionally in the George H.W. Bush Gallery, the center has on display a first edition Stone Engraving of the Declaration of Independence and a reproduction of one of the 12 surviving copies of the Bill of Rights. [16] Civil War and Reconstruction features over 100 artifacts, including original copies of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, Dred Scott’s signed petition for freedom, a pike purchased by John Brown for the armed raid at Harper’s Ferry to incite a revolt against slavery, a fragment of the flag that Abraham Lincoln raised at Independence Hall in Philadelphia in 1861, and a ballot box marked “colored” from Virginia’s first statewide election that allowed black men to vote in 1867. [17] References
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A museum advertises by providing information about its exhibits. Incidentally, this is also the information relevant to a Wikipedia entry about a museum. The dividing line between an advertisement and objective information is whether that information is being endorsed as especially interesting or significant. I removed two sections of this article: a quote from a Supreme Court Judge praising the Constitution center, and a bulleted list of the "exhibitions features" which read like it was straight from a museum pamphlet. With these two removed I think the article is mostly free from bias. Thoughts? FlavoredSpace ( talk) 22:42, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Any news on the new Exec Dir?--!!!! Joseph Torsella. Spikebrennan 04:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
-- This entire article reads like a press release from the entity under examination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.222.165.65 ( talk) 12:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm originally from Philly and I remember when they were redeveloping Independence Mall, there was some controversy over building on land that the state had once condemned because of the need for more greenspace in Center City (also taken away for the visitor center and the huge new Liberty Bell pavilion)
Also, I've been at the NCC a few times and I personally think its exhibitions far oversimplify complex political and legal issues for fear of patronizing the relatively constitutionally uninformed masses. The result is a pretty juvenile museum. Does anyone know of any sourceable criticism of the Center along these lines? 24.207.160.25 07:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Far as I can tell, the coords are correct, yet the pushpin appears across the river in Gloucester County. Any idea what went wrong? Jim.henderson ( talk) 12:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Switch to use {Location_map/simple}: On 20 September 2012, I inserted a separate mapper template below the infobox, as {{
Location_map/simple}}, to correctly display the map marker within Pennsylvania, rather than further south in New Jersey, across the river. There had been problems for months with {{
Location_map}} used by the infobox, and attempts were made to fix the marker location by adding internal "line-height:0" in the marker's div-section style. Some users thought the marker shift was caused by using
HTML 5 (triggered by tag "<!DOCTYPE html>"), but the marker shift had also occurred before the switch to HTML 5. Later, it was discovered that some other browsers also shifted the marker slightly, and on 11 April 2014, the markup in {Location_map/simple} was rewritten to reduce the map shift and retain the marker location within the Pennsylvania borders. At this point, various versions of
MSIE (such as
IE7) need to be tested at several user sites, and document which product versions seem to shift the marker low when the infobox map is activated. Meanwhile, other pages with maps noted in 2012 seem to have been fixed by changes to {Location_map}, but this map case (with Pennsylvania) had remained untested. See related 2012 discussion:
• "
WP:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_103#HTML 5 snafu - pushpin points moved south".
Below is another example where {Location_map} had shifted the marker dot too low (to the "other side of the river") in a map of
Manhattan. Compare New York maps:
Other factors considered were the CSS class names, but div-tag class="thumbinner" was found to have no effect in shifting the marker. - Wikid77 ( talk) 14:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
People have reported how Template:Infobox_NRHP was improved by the 2012 fixes to show the correct marker spot in " 170-176 John Street Building", but it sets "caption=" empty in {{ Location map}}. However, Template:Infobox_museum had been showing the marker with a lower "south" shift, while using {Location_map} with a caption(?). Compare maps, with 2nd omitting the caption:
With {Location map/simple} |
With {Location map} - no caption |
So, what happens when the "caption=" is not empty (and shifts the marker lower), where the caption div-section could shift the relative placement of the marker+label, and is this related to a "line-height:0" problem in the caption portion of the map? I am too busy to do much more this hour, but perhaps could compare generated HTML several hours from now. We need people to run more tests with IE7 and IE8. - Wikid77 ( talk) 19:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Template:Location map | Template:Location map/simple | |
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With caption | ||
Without caption |
Really big templates
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Thanks for posting those. I look forward to hearing the reasoning behind those odd scale factors.
I restored the map to the infobox a short while ago. The only reason I could see for using a separate map was the missing map label and that was easily added. I'm unsure whether it needs a map label + caption, or what they should both be, but they're easy to change if anyone has a better idea.
I note Wikid77 you post here "evidence is growing" that older browsers shift the map marker down, but you've yet to provide any evidence. Please provide screenshots - if you don't have access to a machine with such browsers there are many sites you can use.-- JohnBlackburne words deeds 21:02, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I couldn't see major differences between other browsers and IE7. But when there is a caption, there is a 1px gray border on the position frame that holds the image. If you know about CSS boxmodel, you will realize that any image with a caption will thus have 2 px short on the width of frame (the 720px big images above only get 718px frame), skewing the percentage and the position of the marker. DON'T put borders on the position frame that holds the image and the markers. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the reply section below for more information about this request. |
I work for the National Constitution Center and I'd like to make some updates to the page. There are currently inaccuracies and out-of-date information and I'd love to help improve the page. Should I post suggested edits here, in the talk page? Housefinch1787 ( talk) 19:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Housefinch1787 ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Below are the edits I'd like to suggest for the National Constitution Center Page:
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Edit 1: Delete “houses the Annenberg Center for Education and Outreach, which” In the first paragraph. The new sentence should read: The center offers civic learning resources onsite and online. The reason for this edit is because the Annenberg center doesn’t exist anymore. Edit 2: Add citation to Background section: citation should go after the sentence, “The Center shall disseminate information about the United States Constitution on a non-partisan basis in order to increase the awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.” [1] Edit 3: Add Bill Clinton in Leadership section: George H. W. Bush was chairman from 2007-2009 (not 2013) Bill Clinton was chairman from 2009-2012 [2] Edit 4: Combine Main Exhibition and Featured Exhibition Sections: The information in these sections is very out of date, and contains misinformation. The new combined section, titled “Main exhibition” should read as follows: The museum’s original components include Freedom Rising, The Story of We the People, and Signer’s Hall. Freedom Rising is the 17-minute, 360° theatrical production in the Sidney Kimmel Theater tracing the American quest for freedom. The Story of We the People exhibit in the Richard and Helen DeVos Exhibition Hall is an interactive exhibition highlighting the history of the Constitution with over 100 hands-on and multimedia exhibits. The Signers' Hall is a stylized evocation of the Assembly Room in the Pennsylvania State House (now known as Independence Hall), where the signers of the Constitution met on September 17, 1787. The room has life-sized, bronze statues. [3] Since 2014, the center has also featured Constituting Liberty: From the Declaration to the Bill of Rights, which includes displays of a first edition Stone Engraving of the Declaration of Independence, a rare copy of the first public printing of the U.S. Constitution, and one of the 12 surviving copies of the Bill of Rights in the George H.W. Bush Gallery. [4] In 2017, the center added American Treasures: Documenting the Nation’s Founding in the rare document gallery, featuring five drafts of the U.S. Constitution, including Pennsylvania delegate James Wilson's own handwritten drafts. [5] In 2019, the center opened Civil War and Reconstruction: The Battle for Freedom and Equality, a permanent exhibit which includes over 100 artifacts such as original copies of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. [6] Edit 5: Update Civic Education Section: The wording of this section needs to change because the Annenberg center doesn’t exist anymore. It also needs to be updated to reflect the ongoing efforts of the Center to provide a platform for civic education. The section should read: Originally through its Annenberg Center for Education and Outreach, the center has offered onsite and online civic-education programs and develops and distributes teaching tools, lesson plans and resources. [7] In September 2006 the center helped launch Constitution High School, a college-preparatory, citywide magnet school and "the only Philadelphia School District high school whose theme is [sic] Law, Democracy, and History." [8] In 2015, the center launched the Interactive Constitution, a platform which brings together the top conservative and liberal legal scholars in America to discuss areas of agreement and disagreement about every clause of the Constitution. [9] Edit 6: Update Public Engagement Section: The listing of people who have been guests of the NCC is out of date George W. Bush should be added to the presidents section, and Anthony M. Kennedy and Samuel A. Alito should be added to the list of supreme court justices. Section should read as follows: As a national town hall, the center has welcomed former presidents, Supreme Court justices, journalists, pundits, scholars and entertainers at political discussions and book events. Guests include Presidents Barack Obama, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton; Vice President Dick Cheney; First Lady Laura Bush; Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Anthony M. Kennedy, Samuel A. Alito, and Sonia Sotomayor; Newt Gingrich; Karl Rove; Donna Brazile, and journalists Tavis Smiley, Gwen Ifill, Tina Brown, Andrea Mitchell and Tom Brokaw. The center has hosted several debates, including a 2008 Democratic presidential primary debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama [10] a town hall meeting with Senator John McCain, [11] and a 2006 Pennsylvania Senatorial debate between Republican incumbent Rick Santorum and Democratic challenger Bob Casey. [12] Edit 7: Update Liberty Medal Section: Liberty medal section currently doesn't have anyone named that has won it in the past few years. Update this section to name the most recent ten winners. Section should read: In 2006 the center became home to the Liberty Medal, an annual award established in 1988 to recognize "men and women of courage and conviction who strive to secure the blessings of liberty to people around the globe." [13] Recent Liberty Medal recipients have included George W. Bush and Laura Bush, Senator John McCain, John Lewis, the Dalai Lama, Hillary Clinton, Muhammad Ali, Robert Gates, Tony Blair, and Steven Spielberg. [14] Edit 8: Remove Jeffrey Rosen from the Presidential involvement section: The section should read: Former President George H. W. Bush became chairman of the center's board of trustees in 2007. His successor as chair, Bill Clinton, served from 2009 to 2012. On March 18, 2008, while campaigning for the presidency, Senator Barack Obama delivered a speech on racial issues (" A More Perfect Union") at the center. The center hosted Senators Obama and Hillary Clinton for their Pennsylvania presidential-primary debate on April 16 of that year. [15] Edit 9: The Artifacts Section does not reflect the artifacts that the NCC currently has: Section should read: Two days after the Constitution was signed its text was printed in the Pennsylvania Packet and Daily Advertiser, a local newspaper. A rare copy of this first publication is housed at the center in the George H. W. Bush Gallery adjacent to Signers' Hall. The center received its copy on September 11, 2001. Additionally in the George H.W. Bush Gallery, the center has on display a first edition Stone Engraving of the Declaration of Independence and a reproduction of one of the 12 surviving copies of the Bill of Rights. [16] Civil War and Reconstruction features over 100 artifacts, including original copies of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, Dred Scott’s signed petition for freedom, a pike purchased by John Brown for the armed raid at Harper’s Ferry to incite a revolt against slavery, a fragment of the flag that Abraham Lincoln raised at Independence Hall in Philadelphia in 1861, and a ballot box marked “colored” from Virginia’s first statewide election that allowed black men to vote in 1867. [17] References
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Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.
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Proposal review 27-JUL-2019
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