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Isnt the whole idea of a "Latino" only organization racist? Jmlk17 08:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps if such a group actually limits its membership to Latinos. In no instance do these fraternities state that they are exclusively for Latinos, though they are obviously interested in promoting a "Latino" identity. In any event, I think few "Latinos" can agree on a solid definition of Latino in the first place. Are Filipinos, Brazilians, European Spaniards and Portuguese, or people with partial or distant "Latin ancestry" Latinos? Who knows, but I'm sure they would be included. 24.28.188.162
Almost all of the article pages are poorly written and have absolutely no sources. Furthermore, they are almost all blatant advertisements. They need to either be deleted (not a good option), or cleaned up and completely overhauled. Jmlk17 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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I deleted a comment by Greektruthmovement. Sigma Lambda Beta's withdrawal from NALFO was due to several reasons, not only the reason proposed by the user. Moreover, the reasons for each organization's leaving NALFO are not presented. There is no reason to show favoritism (or bias) for some organizations by exposing reasons for two and not for others.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 06:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes my source can be found at http://www.eliluminador.com/2010/03/06/lbcast-episode-7-ibod-meeting-re-cap/ about 13 minutes in. So you as a member of the organization knows the truth. Your welcome and good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greektruthmovement ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
There are reasons for some of the orgs leaving NALFO that may be in everybody's mouth, but that doesn't make them true. There is need for true references. The sources given for ARL, SLS, BLD and SDA (the minutes of past meetings) are true references as you can read the votes on their expulsions, but there is nothing in any of the minutes for the leaving of NAK, ODPhi, SLB or SLG. The closest thing could be the voting history, but that is not a real reference, as nowhere it states they left due to those reasons. True references need to be presented. For the time being, I'll leave the reason for SLB's as explain in the secondary source given, but delete NAK, ODPhi and SLG.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 03:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll try to be more explicit as to which dates to look for the references of ARL, SLS, BLD and SDA. I'll take some time.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 03:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand when I have referenced the Audio of the President of Sigma Lambda Beta stating the ban on first semester freshman was the reason. he alludes to other reasons but he mentions nothing. Greektruthmovement ( talk) 04:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
As it is an anonymous blog anyone can write on there and use any name they like. Now, that I have included all reasons can we please come to a compromise. All reasons mentioned by the President of Sigma Lambda Beta are mentioned. Thank You Greektruthmovement ( talk) 14:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
YAY, compromise. Now I can stop reverting things. Naraht ( talk) 17:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
While in some cases "Rushing" is restricted to First Semester Freshman, I think it more commonly is *not* restricted in that way. However, just as there are terms that are used differently in the NPHC (such as pledging), there may be some which are used differently in the Hispanic Greek Community. If this is so, then it should be explained. Naraht ( talk) 13:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Both organizations mentioned the regulatory nature of NALFO (SLB in the Audio). The only regulatory policy NALFO has is per insurance, semester of intake, and minimum GPA requirement. Basic standards were set to become effective the spring of 2010 when both organizations withdrew the only thing NALFO regulated was its standards that were set to increase the semester both organizations withdrew. The "regulatory nature" that is suggested is a general increase in their minimum standards of intake. I am simply clarifying that.As it is currently read it is easy to draw the inference that the actions were in reverse. Elche75 ( talk) 17:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
SLG’s press release states a “need for autonomy” as well as a multicultural membership. This connects directly to regulation. At the time regulations passed 4 years previous to the withdrawal was about to start being enforced. Elche75 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
The inference you can draw from the way it is stated currently is that NALFO was in lowering their standards when in fact they were raising their standards. NALFO had always had minimum standards and always acted as a regulatory body. The issue of regulation did not come into play until the minimum standards were raised. I do not see anything wrong with the fact of SLB leaving do to not wanting to raise standards as an organization that it is their choice. However as it is written it seems purposely misleading. Although your opinion is valued, I respectfully disagree as to the inference that can be drawn from the current language. The change offers a simple clarification, and puts into context the situation at withdrawal. It does not debase SLB or SLG in anyway but simply adds context. Elche75 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok. On SLG, unless another reference is given, wording shouldn't change as current wording is a direct quote from the statement. On SLB, let's read some more of the audio: "… the increasingly regulatory nature of NALFO namely ONE OF THE ISSUES... the restriction of not allowing of 1st semester freshman to pledge and SOME of those different THINGS have really been areas where THEY ARE REGULATING WHAT WE DO and IS VERY RESTRICTIVE and OUR ORGANIZATION REALLY SHOULD HAVE THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO DECIDE how or if we want to do intake of 1st semester freshmen OR OTHER POLICIES THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY IMPOSE IN THE FUTURE..." If you jump to minute 14:44, in addition to the 1st semester restriction "...they had proposals on increasing GPA, changing membership criteria... that were voted down by our (SLB) undergraduates," and in minute 15:20 "is just one example". The audio later mentions other benefits of leaving NALFO. Like I have said in the past, my problem is that the issue of 1st semester freshmen intake restriction was one issue, might be the main issue, but one of the issues SLB had with NALFO; it was the detonator, the drop that spilled an already filled glass. There were other NALFO regulations that were voted down by SLB undergrads, such as GPA requirements and membership criteria (there are others issues that I know as a member of SLB, but are not in the audio so they don't count for this). Additionally, the audio, although public, is oriented mainly at SLB brothers. It is not the official statement from SLB as to their NALFO withdrawal. The official statement is reference #7, which states:
This should be the main reference, not the audio. The reasons given are: a. Concerns on how NALFO's direction and policies have affected SLB; b. NALFO currently acting as a governing body (which negatively impact SLB); c. Financial resources, time, talent, and energy of the brothers taken by NALFO business as an external partner. Quoting last sentence "Based on these factors, we (SLB) do not feel that our relationship with NALFO is mutually beneficial at the time." SLB left due to several reasons and standards or 1st semester freshmen intake is only one reason, which falls only under one of the three reasons given (b), which at the same time doesn't mention it explicitly and includes others implicitly. What do you think of one of these?
What is being used as a reference for the founding members of NALFO? Is it one of the minutes on the NALFO web page, and if so, which one from 1998 or 1999? I can't find anything on the NALFO website which indicates which groups were founding groups. :( Naraht ( talk) 14:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
If only 3 of 19 shields/crests can be used due to copyrights, and if nobody has a problem, I'll go ahead and delete the column to have uniformity among all NALFO members. Still, I liked the idea of having them there.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 20:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
In the table under Member organizations, the column labeled University lists all the universities where the founding chapters were located. All of the university names are written in italics except one. Is there a reason for this? If not, I would like to change all the names to regular type. Freddiem ( talk) 23:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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Isnt the whole idea of a "Latino" only organization racist? Jmlk17 08:38, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps if such a group actually limits its membership to Latinos. In no instance do these fraternities state that they are exclusively for Latinos, though they are obviously interested in promoting a "Latino" identity. In any event, I think few "Latinos" can agree on a solid definition of Latino in the first place. Are Filipinos, Brazilians, European Spaniards and Portuguese, or people with partial or distant "Latin ancestry" Latinos? Who knows, but I'm sure they would be included. 24.28.188.162
Almost all of the article pages are poorly written and have absolutely no sources. Furthermore, they are almost all blatant advertisements. They need to either be deleted (not a good option), or cleaned up and completely overhauled. Jmlk17 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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I deleted a comment by Greektruthmovement. Sigma Lambda Beta's withdrawal from NALFO was due to several reasons, not only the reason proposed by the user. Moreover, the reasons for each organization's leaving NALFO are not presented. There is no reason to show favoritism (or bias) for some organizations by exposing reasons for two and not for others.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 06:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes my source can be found at http://www.eliluminador.com/2010/03/06/lbcast-episode-7-ibod-meeting-re-cap/ about 13 minutes in. So you as a member of the organization knows the truth. Your welcome and good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greektruthmovement ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
There are reasons for some of the orgs leaving NALFO that may be in everybody's mouth, but that doesn't make them true. There is need for true references. The sources given for ARL, SLS, BLD and SDA (the minutes of past meetings) are true references as you can read the votes on their expulsions, but there is nothing in any of the minutes for the leaving of NAK, ODPhi, SLB or SLG. The closest thing could be the voting history, but that is not a real reference, as nowhere it states they left due to those reasons. True references need to be presented. For the time being, I'll leave the reason for SLB's as explain in the secondary source given, but delete NAK, ODPhi and SLG.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 03:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll try to be more explicit as to which dates to look for the references of ARL, SLS, BLD and SDA. I'll take some time.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 03:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand when I have referenced the Audio of the President of Sigma Lambda Beta stating the ban on first semester freshman was the reason. he alludes to other reasons but he mentions nothing. Greektruthmovement ( talk) 04:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
As it is an anonymous blog anyone can write on there and use any name they like. Now, that I have included all reasons can we please come to a compromise. All reasons mentioned by the President of Sigma Lambda Beta are mentioned. Thank You Greektruthmovement ( talk) 14:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
YAY, compromise. Now I can stop reverting things. Naraht ( talk) 17:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
While in some cases "Rushing" is restricted to First Semester Freshman, I think it more commonly is *not* restricted in that way. However, just as there are terms that are used differently in the NPHC (such as pledging), there may be some which are used differently in the Hispanic Greek Community. If this is so, then it should be explained. Naraht ( talk) 13:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Both organizations mentioned the regulatory nature of NALFO (SLB in the Audio). The only regulatory policy NALFO has is per insurance, semester of intake, and minimum GPA requirement. Basic standards were set to become effective the spring of 2010 when both organizations withdrew the only thing NALFO regulated was its standards that were set to increase the semester both organizations withdrew. The "regulatory nature" that is suggested is a general increase in their minimum standards of intake. I am simply clarifying that.As it is currently read it is easy to draw the inference that the actions were in reverse. Elche75 ( talk) 17:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
SLG’s press release states a “need for autonomy” as well as a multicultural membership. This connects directly to regulation. At the time regulations passed 4 years previous to the withdrawal was about to start being enforced. Elche75 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
The inference you can draw from the way it is stated currently is that NALFO was in lowering their standards when in fact they were raising their standards. NALFO had always had minimum standards and always acted as a regulatory body. The issue of regulation did not come into play until the minimum standards were raised. I do not see anything wrong with the fact of SLB leaving do to not wanting to raise standards as an organization that it is their choice. However as it is written it seems purposely misleading. Although your opinion is valued, I respectfully disagree as to the inference that can be drawn from the current language. The change offers a simple clarification, and puts into context the situation at withdrawal. It does not debase SLB or SLG in anyway but simply adds context. Elche75 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok. On SLG, unless another reference is given, wording shouldn't change as current wording is a direct quote from the statement. On SLB, let's read some more of the audio: "… the increasingly regulatory nature of NALFO namely ONE OF THE ISSUES... the restriction of not allowing of 1st semester freshman to pledge and SOME of those different THINGS have really been areas where THEY ARE REGULATING WHAT WE DO and IS VERY RESTRICTIVE and OUR ORGANIZATION REALLY SHOULD HAVE THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO DECIDE how or if we want to do intake of 1st semester freshmen OR OTHER POLICIES THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY IMPOSE IN THE FUTURE..." If you jump to minute 14:44, in addition to the 1st semester restriction "...they had proposals on increasing GPA, changing membership criteria... that were voted down by our (SLB) undergraduates," and in minute 15:20 "is just one example". The audio later mentions other benefits of leaving NALFO. Like I have said in the past, my problem is that the issue of 1st semester freshmen intake restriction was one issue, might be the main issue, but one of the issues SLB had with NALFO; it was the detonator, the drop that spilled an already filled glass. There were other NALFO regulations that were voted down by SLB undergrads, such as GPA requirements and membership criteria (there are others issues that I know as a member of SLB, but are not in the audio so they don't count for this). Additionally, the audio, although public, is oriented mainly at SLB brothers. It is not the official statement from SLB as to their NALFO withdrawal. The official statement is reference #7, which states:
This should be the main reference, not the audio. The reasons given are: a. Concerns on how NALFO's direction and policies have affected SLB; b. NALFO currently acting as a governing body (which negatively impact SLB); c. Financial resources, time, talent, and energy of the brothers taken by NALFO business as an external partner. Quoting last sentence "Based on these factors, we (SLB) do not feel that our relationship with NALFO is mutually beneficial at the time." SLB left due to several reasons and standards or 1st semester freshmen intake is only one reason, which falls only under one of the three reasons given (b), which at the same time doesn't mention it explicitly and includes others implicitly. What do you think of one of these?
What is being used as a reference for the founding members of NALFO? Is it one of the minutes on the NALFO web page, and if so, which one from 1998 or 1999? I can't find anything on the NALFO website which indicates which groups were founding groups. :( Naraht ( talk) 14:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
If only 3 of 19 shields/crests can be used due to copyrights, and if nobody has a problem, I'll go ahead and delete the column to have uniformity among all NALFO members. Still, I liked the idea of having them there.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 20:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
In the table under Member organizations, the column labeled University lists all the universities where the founding chapters were located. All of the university names are written in italics except one. Is there a reason for this? If not, I would like to change all the names to regular type. Freddiem ( talk) 23:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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