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From 26/10/03 to 13/11/07 is at the NatWest redirect page.
Chrisieboy
14:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Some minor things - leave a note on my talk page when you're done. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
— Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the following sentence:
"The District, National Provincial, and Westminster Bank were fully integrated in the new firm's structure, while Coutts & Co. private bankers (a 1920 National Provincial acquisition, established 1692), Ulster Bank in Northern Ireland (a 1917 Westminster acquisition, established 1836) and the Isle of Man Bank (a 1961 National Provincial acquisition, established 1865) continued as separate operations."
should be slightly amended:
"The District, National Provincial, and Westminster Bank were fully integrated in the new firm's structure, while Coutts & Co. private bankers (a 1920 National Provincial acquisition, established 1692), Ulster Bank in Northern Ireland (a 1917 Westminster acquisition, established 1836) and the Isle of Man Bank (a 1961 National Provincial acquisition, established 1865) continued with their own branch networks and branding."
The reason I propose this change is the article at present does not really represent the truth; the operations were only separate in the eye of the customer. Myredroom ( talk) 14:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I think the following sentence (cut-and-paste from the BBC website by User:Veracitycounts) is unnecessary and makes the prose read like gibberish:
BBC News Channel - "Derek Wanless was ousted as chief executive of NatWest bank in October 1999, after the once-mighty bank fell prey to a number of hostile takeover attempts from much smaller firms."
Please let me know if there is any compelling reason why it should not be removed. There is (at the moment) no consensus for inclusion. Chrisieboy ( talk) 00:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Chrisieboy has an unhealthy preoccupation for this edit !
Chrisieboy states : in relation to a factual edit 'is unnecessary and makes the prose read like gibberish' where I had incorporated a quote from the BBC's News archive. I am sorry, although my focus is predominantly substance before style. The NatWest page chapter in question, relates to the fatal weakening of NatWest's stock value in 1999, and the subsequent hostile predatory bids that were received. The CEO, Derek Wanless, was (and still is) widely reported to have brought NatWest to its knees in 1999, as a consequence of costly mismanaged mergers, and imprudent forays into investment banking. The Board of NatWest ousted Wanless in October 1999, as they considered this would strengthen the bank's value, and receive City support. The Derek Wanless ingredient was absolutely critical to the NatWest takeover scenario in 1999. For Chrisieboy to have to seek 'compelling evidence' for its inclusion shows a poor grasp of the machinations in the City. To those who have a broader understanding of NatWest's history, it is like asking for a compelling reason to include reference to Roger Bannister when giving an historical precis about the 4 minute mile. As for the 'prose being gibberish'. Well - I agree that the style is gauche, although that is not a reason to remove highly pertinent facts. Wikepedia is more about facts than style. If the prose is not sufficiently stylish, then please reformat it. I simply ask that the stylists do not alter the substance. ( Veracitycounts ( talk) 14:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC))
Chrisieboy if this comment "Derek Wanless was ousted as chief executive of NatWest bank in October 1999, after the once-mighty bank fell prey to a number of hostile takeover attempts from much smaller firms." was put together by Veracitycounts then you would have grounds for arguing it was WP:SYN but it has been done in an article, it has been done by someone external in a reliable source not directly connected to the issue. This was not a minor also ran bank. Until the County Natwest fiasco this was the biggest bank in the UK. As the big swing dick Wanless is where the buck has to stop. If anything the sentence is not strong enough. Now I came here from WP:THIRD and I have given a third opinion. Chrisieboy you are now in a minority position. I suggest that the sentence is put back into the article and if you Chrisieboy do not agree with it, that you use the dispute resolution process and escalate it to voluntary mediation. -- PBS ( talk) 00:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Image:Natwestnewlogo.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 23:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
From 26/10/03 to 13/11/07 is at the NatWest redirect page.
Chrisieboy
14:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Some minor things - leave a note on my talk page when you're done. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
— Dihydrogen Monoxide 22:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the following sentence:
"The District, National Provincial, and Westminster Bank were fully integrated in the new firm's structure, while Coutts & Co. private bankers (a 1920 National Provincial acquisition, established 1692), Ulster Bank in Northern Ireland (a 1917 Westminster acquisition, established 1836) and the Isle of Man Bank (a 1961 National Provincial acquisition, established 1865) continued as separate operations."
should be slightly amended:
"The District, National Provincial, and Westminster Bank were fully integrated in the new firm's structure, while Coutts & Co. private bankers (a 1920 National Provincial acquisition, established 1692), Ulster Bank in Northern Ireland (a 1917 Westminster acquisition, established 1836) and the Isle of Man Bank (a 1961 National Provincial acquisition, established 1865) continued with their own branch networks and branding."
The reason I propose this change is the article at present does not really represent the truth; the operations were only separate in the eye of the customer. Myredroom ( talk) 14:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I think the following sentence (cut-and-paste from the BBC website by User:Veracitycounts) is unnecessary and makes the prose read like gibberish:
BBC News Channel - "Derek Wanless was ousted as chief executive of NatWest bank in October 1999, after the once-mighty bank fell prey to a number of hostile takeover attempts from much smaller firms."
Please let me know if there is any compelling reason why it should not be removed. There is (at the moment) no consensus for inclusion. Chrisieboy ( talk) 00:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Chrisieboy has an unhealthy preoccupation for this edit !
Chrisieboy states : in relation to a factual edit 'is unnecessary and makes the prose read like gibberish' where I had incorporated a quote from the BBC's News archive. I am sorry, although my focus is predominantly substance before style. The NatWest page chapter in question, relates to the fatal weakening of NatWest's stock value in 1999, and the subsequent hostile predatory bids that were received. The CEO, Derek Wanless, was (and still is) widely reported to have brought NatWest to its knees in 1999, as a consequence of costly mismanaged mergers, and imprudent forays into investment banking. The Board of NatWest ousted Wanless in October 1999, as they considered this would strengthen the bank's value, and receive City support. The Derek Wanless ingredient was absolutely critical to the NatWest takeover scenario in 1999. For Chrisieboy to have to seek 'compelling evidence' for its inclusion shows a poor grasp of the machinations in the City. To those who have a broader understanding of NatWest's history, it is like asking for a compelling reason to include reference to Roger Bannister when giving an historical precis about the 4 minute mile. As for the 'prose being gibberish'. Well - I agree that the style is gauche, although that is not a reason to remove highly pertinent facts. Wikepedia is more about facts than style. If the prose is not sufficiently stylish, then please reformat it. I simply ask that the stylists do not alter the substance. ( Veracitycounts ( talk) 14:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC))
Chrisieboy if this comment "Derek Wanless was ousted as chief executive of NatWest bank in October 1999, after the once-mighty bank fell prey to a number of hostile takeover attempts from much smaller firms." was put together by Veracitycounts then you would have grounds for arguing it was WP:SYN but it has been done in an article, it has been done by someone external in a reliable source not directly connected to the issue. This was not a minor also ran bank. Until the County Natwest fiasco this was the biggest bank in the UK. As the big swing dick Wanless is where the buck has to stop. If anything the sentence is not strong enough. Now I came here from WP:THIRD and I have given a third opinion. Chrisieboy you are now in a minority position. I suggest that the sentence is put back into the article and if you Chrisieboy do not agree with it, that you use the dispute resolution process and escalate it to voluntary mediation. -- PBS ( talk) 00:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)