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The article, apart from being a stub, is very bitty, with lists, bullet points, notes — it needs to be rewritten to make it a proper, English-prose article. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 13:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
You haven't given a compelling argument, or offered any evidence, as to why "district" is a proper name here. I thought that I'd made clear, in correct English, that that was the issue. What the article was originally named is irrelevant to that. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 18:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I take it that you didn't read any of what I said? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 17:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh good grief; either you genuinely are unable to grasp my point, or you're pretending not to. In either case, there seems little point in continuing, but I'll try once more.
No, the onus is on you to give sources for your change. Nor did I say that I was unclear; I'm uncertain, as the evidence is at best equivocal (it leans more towards "district" not being part of the proper name in fact). If you could drop the incessant and wearying sarcasm and the (deliberate?) misreading (when you don't ignore it completely) of what I say, we might get somewhere. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 11:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
As an editor I have responsibility to follow and uphold Wikipdia's policies, such as WP:CITE; as an administrator I have extra responsibilities to do that. Our policy is that the onus is on the person who changes an article to provide sources for the change. Neverthless, I have indicated evidence against the change — the sources that you provide. Your questions regarding the sources you've actually given here have been answered above; without seeing Britannica or the Imperial Gazetteer I can't comment, though I'd want to know what their capitalisation rules are (some Manuals of Style involve the capitalisation of every noun, not just proper names). I agree that this and the other articles might need to be renamed (I'd favour the style "Nashik (district)" if it does turn out that "District" isn't part of the name), but it would be foolish to start on that until the question has been resolved here. Before you conyinue to use terms like "self-serving", even leaving aside its bewildering misuse, please read WP:CIVIL.
It's not that I'm ignoring what you have said, I just can't follow the argument, as it slithers around quite a bit. You first argued that the edits didn't conform with the article title, but when I pointed out that the page had been moved from the original "Nashik District", you found that irrelevant. You have argued that you are simply reverting unsourced edits, ignoring the fact that the edits you are reverting are sourced (although you admit above that you have not checked those sources). You later admitted that proper nouns in English were capitalized, but now seem to be arguing that Nashik District is not a proper noun. Is your point that a proper noun must be an official name? If, say, the official name of the United Kindgom is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", would you argue that one should use the lowercase "united kindgom"? Or if an official UK website were to use "United Kingdom" or "UK" in its website text, that it would mean that "united kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is proper? Or that sloppy capitalization on the Nashik District web site justifies sloppy capitalization here? In any case, Nashik is the name of a municipality, a taluk, a subdivision, and a district; it is not impossible that they are all officially called simply "Nashik", although it would be quite deliberately confusing to do so. The British used the simple "x Taluk", "x District" etc.; you may be arguing that these distinguishing designations have been dropped more recently, but there is no evidence of that. And in any case, the Wikipedia naming convention is "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature". You also seem to admit that if the Imperial Gazetteer consistently capitalized Nasik District, but did not capitalize every noun, that it might be convincing; the Imperial Gazetteer is available online, and the page numbers are provided on the article page, and should you deign to check them, you will find that it does indeed capitalize Nasik District consistently, but does not capitalize every noun. Enjoy your research! Tom Radulovich 00:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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The article, apart from being a stub, is very bitty, with lists, bullet points, notes — it needs to be rewritten to make it a proper, English-prose article. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 13:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
You haven't given a compelling argument, or offered any evidence, as to why "district" is a proper name here. I thought that I'd made clear, in correct English, that that was the issue. What the article was originally named is irrelevant to that. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 18:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I take it that you didn't read any of what I said? -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 17:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh good grief; either you genuinely are unable to grasp my point, or you're pretending not to. In either case, there seems little point in continuing, but I'll try once more.
No, the onus is on you to give sources for your change. Nor did I say that I was unclear; I'm uncertain, as the evidence is at best equivocal (it leans more towards "district" not being part of the proper name in fact). If you could drop the incessant and wearying sarcasm and the (deliberate?) misreading (when you don't ignore it completely) of what I say, we might get somewhere. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 11:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
As an editor I have responsibility to follow and uphold Wikipdia's policies, such as WP:CITE; as an administrator I have extra responsibilities to do that. Our policy is that the onus is on the person who changes an article to provide sources for the change. Neverthless, I have indicated evidence against the change — the sources that you provide. Your questions regarding the sources you've actually given here have been answered above; without seeing Britannica or the Imperial Gazetteer I can't comment, though I'd want to know what their capitalisation rules are (some Manuals of Style involve the capitalisation of every noun, not just proper names). I agree that this and the other articles might need to be renamed (I'd favour the style "Nashik (district)" if it does turn out that "District" isn't part of the name), but it would be foolish to start on that until the question has been resolved here. Before you conyinue to use terms like "self-serving", even leaving aside its bewildering misuse, please read WP:CIVIL.
It's not that I'm ignoring what you have said, I just can't follow the argument, as it slithers around quite a bit. You first argued that the edits didn't conform with the article title, but when I pointed out that the page had been moved from the original "Nashik District", you found that irrelevant. You have argued that you are simply reverting unsourced edits, ignoring the fact that the edits you are reverting are sourced (although you admit above that you have not checked those sources). You later admitted that proper nouns in English were capitalized, but now seem to be arguing that Nashik District is not a proper noun. Is your point that a proper noun must be an official name? If, say, the official name of the United Kindgom is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", would you argue that one should use the lowercase "united kindgom"? Or if an official UK website were to use "United Kingdom" or "UK" in its website text, that it would mean that "united kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is proper? Or that sloppy capitalization on the Nashik District web site justifies sloppy capitalization here? In any case, Nashik is the name of a municipality, a taluk, a subdivision, and a district; it is not impossible that they are all officially called simply "Nashik", although it would be quite deliberately confusing to do so. The British used the simple "x Taluk", "x District" etc.; you may be arguing that these distinguishing designations have been dropped more recently, but there is no evidence of that. And in any case, the Wikipedia naming convention is "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature". You also seem to admit that if the Imperial Gazetteer consistently capitalized Nasik District, but did not capitalize every noun, that it might be convincing; the Imperial Gazetteer is available online, and the page numbers are provided on the article page, and should you deign to check them, you will find that it does indeed capitalize Nasik District consistently, but does not capitalize every noun. Enjoy your research! Tom Radulovich 00:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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