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what about the giant wooden cock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1523:C33C:F5D6:3FBB:980D:55F5 ( talk) 20:15, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I think this page compares Nashi to HJ more than needed. Once is enough. It doesn't need to repeated as that makes it sound criticizing and not in line with NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.60.130 ( talk) 03:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
This reads WAY different than the Russian wiki article, which is pretty much all about how Nashi exists to support Putin and prevent a color revolution in Russia. This page needs updating. Dsol 22:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
But who is to say that the Russian version is correct? There is large debate about this Nashi group, just as many people think Nashi is Putin's Stormtroopers as there members think they are Russia's only future, and as even a large percentage of the Russian public doesn't support the group, i think it's only fair that a overall view is given on wiki about it instead of just a Nashi press statement. - Barry619
We do need colourful pictures on their marches and rallies, for instance that of their uniformed santa party in Moscow. It should also be noted that they are supported by the government - their actions are shown in national news and for their marches are allways allowed, unlike those of the opposition. Info about the structure and financial gain for the members wouldn't hurt. INTERNAZI 21:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Links to articles don't work www.nashi.su is a forbidden domain. Could someone fix this?
I quite agree. Nashi is an extremely controversial issue in Russia and its perception very much depends on where you stand and what you are. The Russian version merely presents the official creed of Nashi, whereas the English and the Dutch versions attempt to give a more balanced presentation.
Pierre
I have examined several videos of NASHI advertisments, the view of "stormtroopers" is absurd. I suspect that this is due to misundertandment. NASHI members do various activities in helping Russian communities. One such thing is some members work as "druzhiniki" very similar to UK Neighbourhood Watch. NASHI are also against racial disrimination. Now what really is controversial is - some people say the Russian Government ignores or maybe supports to some extent neo Nazi politicians, why would the Government take an entirely different stance on NASHI? I have also closely watched Russian television when I was staying in Russia, the media did mention suspisions on NASHI...in fact the media has programs for example in which debates between major politicians take place, some may be pro Putin some maybe against etc, ordinary citizens can vote on the outcome of the debate. Also the Government IS ofcourse criticized in the Russian media, I have found Russian media not biast in my view. I wonder if Western media has influenced people to take a negative view of Russia although ofcourse there some positive indications such as Russia's economic development.
Danil Sri Lanka
Oh Danil, so naive. Maybe you have forgotten he fact if you were in Russia, that there is no free media? The english version in Wiki is quite correct. The russian riots in Estonia in April 2007 showed that "Nashi" is Putin's tool even across the borders. In an interview with an Estonian Defence Police detective, was said that Putin is supporting them with billions, all their actions against countries that are not in cremlins favour are very smoothly organized and if usually OMON beats up allkind of protesters within minutes, then if "Nashi" was blocking Estonian embassy, the authorities were just watching, sayng that they do not have any orders to interrupt blockade against embassy. Also about Tallinn riots, main organizers of the russian terror were linked with "Nashi", one of them was even a "Nashi" commisary, it is no coincidence, that at the same time nashist were picketing with this kid pictures, saying that they demand liberation of an innocent schoolboy. Even police authorities and intelligence specialists have said, that "Nashi" is excactly like "Hitlerjugend" (please watch: - Stop Nashism!)
These idiots in Russia are the 21st century Hitlerjugend
Danil is right, the western media is doing everything it can to portray Russians as neonazi fascists, Nashi is probably a completely legitamate organisation. America supports rebel groups and funds color revolutions in countries it doesn't like. Why is it that the many patriotic youth groups in America are praised for loving their country, but if Russia has similar groups, everyone calls them fascists? Also, about the OMON and protests, what about the entirely peaceful Civil rights movement protest tha were brutally put down by American police? Or the murders of innocent black people that police refused to even investigate? I don't get why the west HATES Russia and Russians so much.. (PS Danil obviously personnaly saw the Russian media critisice the Kremlin, so whoever called him "naive" is in no position to tell him that he was wrong) QZXA2 00:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the western patriotic organizations arent fascist, because they do not have policy, that includes hatred against other sovereign and independent countries and slogans that say that actually those countries should belong to them and the people who live there are. ofcourse there are also faschist and/or nazi organizations, but those are not supported by government and also they do not name themselves "democratic" and "anti-fascist", because it is not true. There is a big difference between just showing respect to your country and people or being hostile to other nations and glorify violence. I agree that you can find critizism against Kremlin in Russian media, but it is like a drop in the sea and if the critizism is too objective then similar things happen like the case of Politovskaja and others. If anybody ever wants to compare russian press liability to others, first read thru the world press freedom index...
The recent attacks of Estonia are a joke created by Owrellian reinterpretations of the past. The Soviets never liberated Estonia, in fact they had already subujated it according to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Too bad I can't set up a common sense criticism section. 70.59.74.162 16:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
NASHI is ANTI facist, I will show you why. Nashi does not say that "other countries should belong to Russia" as the above user mentioned. There is absolutely no fact to support any similar statement. Yes NASHI sees the USSR in a less negative way as most Russians who have lived in the USSR and know what it was realistically and not through propaganda sources which poisons minds. The Molotov Ribbentrop pact is not something which Russia today hides, Putin used the very same pact to explain his answer to an Estonian journalist. In fact if the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is read it is DEFINETLY not some alliance, and looks very formal giving no sign of friendship between the Soviet Union and Germany whatsoever. Nashi also promotes cultural events where people of different nationalities can share there culture and also provides events in which Xenophobia or racial hatred is discouraged. I can cite more examples if necessary.
You are right, Nashi does not say that "other countries should belong to Russia", they think that all the independent countries that were held under eastern block, have always been russian areas and at the moment they are "colonies of USA" and should be "liberated" as for example the Baltics at WW2
Digwuren Nashi does not have "Eastern Bloc" or the like in it's manisfesto. Nashi are not facist and share no common ideology with facism. Rather, Nashi encourage multi cultural exchanges, they host fairs for example where different nationalities can take part and share their culture, they oppose xenophobia and promote events against racism. Nashi are patriotic, which is the correct word. Digwuren, I believe that it is NOT Russia to blame for her position on history, Western history books seem to give a much minor role to The Great Patriotic War fought by the Soviets. I have studied under the British syllabus and read Russian history books. I am not going to debate on this page, but it is a fact that the Red Army defeated the Germans (Germany's proportion of it's military machine was MOSTLY dedicated to the Eastern front that is USSR) and like Churchill himself said that the Red army tore the heart out of the German army.
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Interesting NPR piece here http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12277079
NickCT 20:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)NickCT
As I said Nashi is not facist, please read my notes above. Please give facts as to why use the word facist to Nashi which is an organisation opposing any ideology of facism.
More of the camp: [1] Digwuren 11:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
And more interesting revelations: [2], [3]. Digwuren 05:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC) [4] deserves reading, too. Digwuren 14:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[5]THIS ARTICLE IS SO BIASED. I can show countless of arguments against this article, which is Estonian propaganda made in Russian language. (www.epl.ee is an estonain website) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.221.20 ( talk) 17:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I don’t feel like jumping into the middle of an edit war, but the opening statement that Nashi is a “democratic anti-fascist youth movement” is clearly POV in the context of the controversial nature of its, er, nature. It is somewhat amusing that this form was introduced in an edit claiming to clean up POV.
The opening statement should be written without descriptive terms, and followed by a presentation of both perspectives, making it clear who says what. That is the NPOV way. - 83.252.213.196 ( talk) 13:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Done.-- Miyokan ( talk) 23:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This paragraph misquotes what I wrote. You can find the original article here http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/nashi-sex-camp-shock-horror-latest.html Edwardlucas ( talk) 00:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed someone reverted a series of edits last month which included this article [6], which says some pretty relevant things:
"The youth political movement Nashi (Ours) will be radically reorganized and will no longer function as a centralized federal project. There are no plans to liquidate the pro-Kremlin movement's brand, but Kremlin sources said Nashi will no longer be employed as a political rent-a-crowd. The movement will have only five regional offices left out of 50. "There is no longer an Orange Revolution threat, so we can give more attention to other things now."
"[President Vladimir] Putin was dissatisfied with how Nashi was faring, they were causing tensions with the West. [Dmitry] Medvedev positions himself as a friend of the West, and aggressive national patriotic support does not fit in with that image," political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky explained."
Krawndawg ( talk) 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The annual camp section should - in the way it is, be removed, as the statements made there are too grave to let them stand there based just on source, Edward Lucas from the Daily Mail tabloid. As he is also author of The New Cold War And How To Win It he surely would want to talk up his point to increase sales. I personally would call Lucas a biased source that. left standing alone, is of no value. At least one other quality source, not a tabloid or an op-ed, should be found in support of the statements. Oalexander-En ( talk) 00:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Today's Nashi picket in Sankt Peterburg consisted of a single person.( [7]) Reportedly, Nashi didn't manage to get a picket permit on time (!) Previously, Nashi hasn't had any trouble getting picket permits within a hour's notice if politically convenient.
Also, the militia has reportedly arrested a pair of girls for picketing together. Obviously, Nashi is falling out of favour with Russia's authorities. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 15:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Yesterday's Postimees quotes Yelizaveta Surnatchova of gazeta.ru as saying that Nashi can't be considered a movement because it doesn't have an ideology. Surnatchova also reports that due to the elections being over, Nashi has trouble with financing, leading towards some activists initiating unsanctioned actions and getting arrested over them. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 15:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Another step of decline: [8]. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 12:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any good reason why this article has this lone picture of a Helsinki event? Should this picture perhaps be accompanied with small section explaining that there were 3 activist from Russia, couple of well-known troublemakers from Estonia and whole "demonstration", which by the way was not very welcomed by locals, had overall less then 20 participants? Põhja Konn ( talk) 08:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I have seen several newspieces mentioning it consisted of 14 people. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 16:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Couple of sources:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Russian+nationalists+plan+Helsinki+protest+/1135244471088 (As I thought, Nashi was invited over). http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Hundreds+of+listeners+and+a+handful+of+protesters+attend+publication+of+book+on+Estonia/1135244564138
Source for Petri presence:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ostsee/3378664917/in/set-72157615803646316/ Suva Чего? 18:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
While Putinjugend most commonly refers to Nashi, it may also refer to Molodaya Gvardiya and Walking Together. How should we explain these additional meanings in the article's lead? Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 13:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Please explain your reason for mass removal of links from this article. Please do not simply refer to WP:LINKFARM. Explain why each link you removed was bad. Biophys ( talk) 14:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is a totalitarian organization known as Putinjugend. They attacked British embassy, assault people, and use dead animals to prove their point. These are facts. Let's not classify them as an "anti-fascist organization" even if they claim themselves such. Biophys ( talk) 11:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Offliner has inexplicably reverted my attempts edit the lede to bring it into conformity of Wikipedia:LEDE, which states " The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article". The article contains a section about criticisms, so the lede should mention it. Undoing revert. -- Martintg ( talk) 11:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
PasswordUsername ( talk) 17:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Editors should not make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article to reach conclusion C. This would be a synthesis of published material that advances a new position, and that constitutes original research.
I've added two more reliable, academic, sources to the lede. If there is some kind of problem with their reliability please bring it up at RSN. radek ( talk) 15:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
There's a "neutrality disputed" tag after the Anders Asland source [9] but no explanation given on talk. Is this another spurious tag? Needs to be removed if so. radek ( talk) 01:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
More specifically, if a piece of information/text is well sourced, it's inclusion in the lede depends on its notability - so you'd have to argue that the comparisons between Nashi and Komsomol and Hitler Youth are not notable. This is hard to swallow. Neutrality would be an issue if the actual text was hyperbolic. For example, if it said "Nashi is just as horrible as Hitler Youth" - but it doesn't say that, it just notes that the comparison has been made in reliable sources. This is simply an inappropriate tag (and really no tag belongs there anyway). radek ( talk) 22:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I recently cleaned up some links from this article's external links section that didn't meet our guidelines but nevertheless constitute reliable sources, so I'll place them here if anyone is interested in using them to cite the article.
I just edited the "New York Times Video: The Putin Generation" video link because it had an error ("," character at the end of the link). This was the reason behind non-working link so i removed the warning about it. Prof. Hubbert Fansworth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.41.121.239 ( talk) 06:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
A couple of years ago I studied Biology as part of my school diploma program. It wasn't my favourite subject, but I did manage to learn a few extremely advanced facts:
Some reports mention the use of the camp to improve Russia's demographics,[34] where twenty tents were set up in order to allow twenty newlyweds to sleep together.[35]
Twenty tents for twenty=newlyweds? I'm not quite sure how to put this. Dosen't it, as it were, take 'two to tango'? Isn't there a slight, erm, numerical issue here. Surely it would be ten tents for twenty-newly weds, if you... erm... are catching my drift. I think that casts some doubt on the reliability of the source, or the author's mathematical ability... that is unless the author is a totally pure cherub and is perhaps unaware of some of the more risque facts of human existence. Perhaps they think that an influx of sotrks will improve Russia's demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.165.62 ( talk) 23:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok :). Wouldn't that be original research though?-- 86.142.165.62 ( talk) 18:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
No mention of her whatsoever? 81.68.255.36 ( talk) 14:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
There's loads here about how there emails were hacked and internal messages uncovered detailing zakazukha, internet trolling, and other dodgy activity. Worth including. Malick78 ( talk) 22:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 13:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
offline? -- Cherubino ( talk) 04:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
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what about the giant wooden cock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1523:C33C:F5D6:3FBB:980D:55F5 ( talk) 20:15, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I think this page compares Nashi to HJ more than needed. Once is enough. It doesn't need to repeated as that makes it sound criticizing and not in line with NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.60.130 ( talk) 03:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
This reads WAY different than the Russian wiki article, which is pretty much all about how Nashi exists to support Putin and prevent a color revolution in Russia. This page needs updating. Dsol 22:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
But who is to say that the Russian version is correct? There is large debate about this Nashi group, just as many people think Nashi is Putin's Stormtroopers as there members think they are Russia's only future, and as even a large percentage of the Russian public doesn't support the group, i think it's only fair that a overall view is given on wiki about it instead of just a Nashi press statement. - Barry619
We do need colourful pictures on their marches and rallies, for instance that of their uniformed santa party in Moscow. It should also be noted that they are supported by the government - their actions are shown in national news and for their marches are allways allowed, unlike those of the opposition. Info about the structure and financial gain for the members wouldn't hurt. INTERNAZI 21:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Links to articles don't work www.nashi.su is a forbidden domain. Could someone fix this?
I quite agree. Nashi is an extremely controversial issue in Russia and its perception very much depends on where you stand and what you are. The Russian version merely presents the official creed of Nashi, whereas the English and the Dutch versions attempt to give a more balanced presentation.
Pierre
I have examined several videos of NASHI advertisments, the view of "stormtroopers" is absurd. I suspect that this is due to misundertandment. NASHI members do various activities in helping Russian communities. One such thing is some members work as "druzhiniki" very similar to UK Neighbourhood Watch. NASHI are also against racial disrimination. Now what really is controversial is - some people say the Russian Government ignores or maybe supports to some extent neo Nazi politicians, why would the Government take an entirely different stance on NASHI? I have also closely watched Russian television when I was staying in Russia, the media did mention suspisions on NASHI...in fact the media has programs for example in which debates between major politicians take place, some may be pro Putin some maybe against etc, ordinary citizens can vote on the outcome of the debate. Also the Government IS ofcourse criticized in the Russian media, I have found Russian media not biast in my view. I wonder if Western media has influenced people to take a negative view of Russia although ofcourse there some positive indications such as Russia's economic development.
Danil Sri Lanka
Oh Danil, so naive. Maybe you have forgotten he fact if you were in Russia, that there is no free media? The english version in Wiki is quite correct. The russian riots in Estonia in April 2007 showed that "Nashi" is Putin's tool even across the borders. In an interview with an Estonian Defence Police detective, was said that Putin is supporting them with billions, all their actions against countries that are not in cremlins favour are very smoothly organized and if usually OMON beats up allkind of protesters within minutes, then if "Nashi" was blocking Estonian embassy, the authorities were just watching, sayng that they do not have any orders to interrupt blockade against embassy. Also about Tallinn riots, main organizers of the russian terror were linked with "Nashi", one of them was even a "Nashi" commisary, it is no coincidence, that at the same time nashist were picketing with this kid pictures, saying that they demand liberation of an innocent schoolboy. Even police authorities and intelligence specialists have said, that "Nashi" is excactly like "Hitlerjugend" (please watch: - Stop Nashism!)
These idiots in Russia are the 21st century Hitlerjugend
Danil is right, the western media is doing everything it can to portray Russians as neonazi fascists, Nashi is probably a completely legitamate organisation. America supports rebel groups and funds color revolutions in countries it doesn't like. Why is it that the many patriotic youth groups in America are praised for loving their country, but if Russia has similar groups, everyone calls them fascists? Also, about the OMON and protests, what about the entirely peaceful Civil rights movement protest tha were brutally put down by American police? Or the murders of innocent black people that police refused to even investigate? I don't get why the west HATES Russia and Russians so much.. (PS Danil obviously personnaly saw the Russian media critisice the Kremlin, so whoever called him "naive" is in no position to tell him that he was wrong) QZXA2 00:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the western patriotic organizations arent fascist, because they do not have policy, that includes hatred against other sovereign and independent countries and slogans that say that actually those countries should belong to them and the people who live there are. ofcourse there are also faschist and/or nazi organizations, but those are not supported by government and also they do not name themselves "democratic" and "anti-fascist", because it is not true. There is a big difference between just showing respect to your country and people or being hostile to other nations and glorify violence. I agree that you can find critizism against Kremlin in Russian media, but it is like a drop in the sea and if the critizism is too objective then similar things happen like the case of Politovskaja and others. If anybody ever wants to compare russian press liability to others, first read thru the world press freedom index...
The recent attacks of Estonia are a joke created by Owrellian reinterpretations of the past. The Soviets never liberated Estonia, in fact they had already subujated it according to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Too bad I can't set up a common sense criticism section. 70.59.74.162 16:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
NASHI is ANTI facist, I will show you why. Nashi does not say that "other countries should belong to Russia" as the above user mentioned. There is absolutely no fact to support any similar statement. Yes NASHI sees the USSR in a less negative way as most Russians who have lived in the USSR and know what it was realistically and not through propaganda sources which poisons minds. The Molotov Ribbentrop pact is not something which Russia today hides, Putin used the very same pact to explain his answer to an Estonian journalist. In fact if the Molotov Ribbentrop pact is read it is DEFINETLY not some alliance, and looks very formal giving no sign of friendship between the Soviet Union and Germany whatsoever. Nashi also promotes cultural events where people of different nationalities can share there culture and also provides events in which Xenophobia or racial hatred is discouraged. I can cite more examples if necessary.
You are right, Nashi does not say that "other countries should belong to Russia", they think that all the independent countries that were held under eastern block, have always been russian areas and at the moment they are "colonies of USA" and should be "liberated" as for example the Baltics at WW2
Digwuren Nashi does not have "Eastern Bloc" or the like in it's manisfesto. Nashi are not facist and share no common ideology with facism. Rather, Nashi encourage multi cultural exchanges, they host fairs for example where different nationalities can take part and share their culture, they oppose xenophobia and promote events against racism. Nashi are patriotic, which is the correct word. Digwuren, I believe that it is NOT Russia to blame for her position on history, Western history books seem to give a much minor role to The Great Patriotic War fought by the Soviets. I have studied under the British syllabus and read Russian history books. I am not going to debate on this page, but it is a fact that the Red Army defeated the Germans (Germany's proportion of it's military machine was MOSTLY dedicated to the Eastern front that is USSR) and like Churchill himself said that the Red army tore the heart out of the German army.
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Interesting NPR piece here http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12277079
NickCT 20:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)NickCT
As I said Nashi is not facist, please read my notes above. Please give facts as to why use the word facist to Nashi which is an organisation opposing any ideology of facism.
More of the camp: [1] Digwuren 11:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
And more interesting revelations: [2], [3]. Digwuren 05:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC) [4] deserves reading, too. Digwuren 14:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[5]THIS ARTICLE IS SO BIASED. I can show countless of arguments against this article, which is Estonian propaganda made in Russian language. (www.epl.ee is an estonain website) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.221.20 ( talk) 17:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I don’t feel like jumping into the middle of an edit war, but the opening statement that Nashi is a “democratic anti-fascist youth movement” is clearly POV in the context of the controversial nature of its, er, nature. It is somewhat amusing that this form was introduced in an edit claiming to clean up POV.
The opening statement should be written without descriptive terms, and followed by a presentation of both perspectives, making it clear who says what. That is the NPOV way. - 83.252.213.196 ( talk) 13:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Done.-- Miyokan ( talk) 23:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This paragraph misquotes what I wrote. You can find the original article here http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/nashi-sex-camp-shock-horror-latest.html Edwardlucas ( talk) 00:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I noticed someone reverted a series of edits last month which included this article [6], which says some pretty relevant things:
"The youth political movement Nashi (Ours) will be radically reorganized and will no longer function as a centralized federal project. There are no plans to liquidate the pro-Kremlin movement's brand, but Kremlin sources said Nashi will no longer be employed as a political rent-a-crowd. The movement will have only five regional offices left out of 50. "There is no longer an Orange Revolution threat, so we can give more attention to other things now."
"[President Vladimir] Putin was dissatisfied with how Nashi was faring, they were causing tensions with the West. [Dmitry] Medvedev positions himself as a friend of the West, and aggressive national patriotic support does not fit in with that image," political analyst Stanislav Belkovsky explained."
Krawndawg ( talk) 07:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The annual camp section should - in the way it is, be removed, as the statements made there are too grave to let them stand there based just on source, Edward Lucas from the Daily Mail tabloid. As he is also author of The New Cold War And How To Win It he surely would want to talk up his point to increase sales. I personally would call Lucas a biased source that. left standing alone, is of no value. At least one other quality source, not a tabloid or an op-ed, should be found in support of the statements. Oalexander-En ( talk) 00:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Today's Nashi picket in Sankt Peterburg consisted of a single person.( [7]) Reportedly, Nashi didn't manage to get a picket permit on time (!) Previously, Nashi hasn't had any trouble getting picket permits within a hour's notice if politically convenient.
Also, the militia has reportedly arrested a pair of girls for picketing together. Obviously, Nashi is falling out of favour with Russia's authorities. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 15:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Yesterday's Postimees quotes Yelizaveta Surnatchova of gazeta.ru as saying that Nashi can't be considered a movement because it doesn't have an ideology. Surnatchova also reports that due to the elections being over, Nashi has trouble with financing, leading towards some activists initiating unsanctioned actions and getting arrested over them. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 15:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Another step of decline: [8]. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 12:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there any good reason why this article has this lone picture of a Helsinki event? Should this picture perhaps be accompanied with small section explaining that there were 3 activist from Russia, couple of well-known troublemakers from Estonia and whole "demonstration", which by the way was not very welcomed by locals, had overall less then 20 participants? Põhja Konn ( talk) 08:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I have seen several newspieces mentioning it consisted of 14 people. Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 16:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Couple of sources:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Russian+nationalists+plan+Helsinki+protest+/1135244471088 (As I thought, Nashi was invited over). http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Hundreds+of+listeners+and+a+handful+of+protesters+attend+publication+of+book+on+Estonia/1135244564138
Source for Petri presence:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ostsee/3378664917/in/set-72157615803646316/ Suva Чего? 18:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
While Putinjugend most commonly refers to Nashi, it may also refer to Molodaya Gvardiya and Walking Together. How should we explain these additional meanings in the article's lead? Διγουρεν Εμπρος! 13:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Please explain your reason for mass removal of links from this article. Please do not simply refer to WP:LINKFARM. Explain why each link you removed was bad. Biophys ( talk) 14:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is a totalitarian organization known as Putinjugend. They attacked British embassy, assault people, and use dead animals to prove their point. These are facts. Let's not classify them as an "anti-fascist organization" even if they claim themselves such. Biophys ( talk) 11:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Offliner has inexplicably reverted my attempts edit the lede to bring it into conformity of Wikipedia:LEDE, which states " The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article". The article contains a section about criticisms, so the lede should mention it. Undoing revert. -- Martintg ( talk) 11:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
PasswordUsername ( talk) 17:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Editors should not make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article to reach conclusion C. This would be a synthesis of published material that advances a new position, and that constitutes original research.
I've added two more reliable, academic, sources to the lede. If there is some kind of problem with their reliability please bring it up at RSN. radek ( talk) 15:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
There's a "neutrality disputed" tag after the Anders Asland source [9] but no explanation given on talk. Is this another spurious tag? Needs to be removed if so. radek ( talk) 01:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
More specifically, if a piece of information/text is well sourced, it's inclusion in the lede depends on its notability - so you'd have to argue that the comparisons between Nashi and Komsomol and Hitler Youth are not notable. This is hard to swallow. Neutrality would be an issue if the actual text was hyperbolic. For example, if it said "Nashi is just as horrible as Hitler Youth" - but it doesn't say that, it just notes that the comparison has been made in reliable sources. This is simply an inappropriate tag (and really no tag belongs there anyway). radek ( talk) 22:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I recently cleaned up some links from this article's external links section that didn't meet our guidelines but nevertheless constitute reliable sources, so I'll place them here if anyone is interested in using them to cite the article.
I just edited the "New York Times Video: The Putin Generation" video link because it had an error ("," character at the end of the link). This was the reason behind non-working link so i removed the warning about it. Prof. Hubbert Fansworth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.41.121.239 ( talk) 06:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
A couple of years ago I studied Biology as part of my school diploma program. It wasn't my favourite subject, but I did manage to learn a few extremely advanced facts:
Some reports mention the use of the camp to improve Russia's demographics,[34] where twenty tents were set up in order to allow twenty newlyweds to sleep together.[35]
Twenty tents for twenty=newlyweds? I'm not quite sure how to put this. Dosen't it, as it were, take 'two to tango'? Isn't there a slight, erm, numerical issue here. Surely it would be ten tents for twenty-newly weds, if you... erm... are catching my drift. I think that casts some doubt on the reliability of the source, or the author's mathematical ability... that is unless the author is a totally pure cherub and is perhaps unaware of some of the more risque facts of human existence. Perhaps they think that an influx of sotrks will improve Russia's demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.165.62 ( talk) 23:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok :). Wouldn't that be original research though?-- 86.142.165.62 ( talk) 18:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
No mention of her whatsoever? 81.68.255.36 ( talk) 14:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
There's loads here about how there emails were hacked and internal messages uncovered detailing zakazukha, internet trolling, and other dodgy activity. Worth including. Malick78 ( talk) 22:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 13:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
offline? -- Cherubino ( talk) 04:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
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This article's sources date back to 2012 and earlier. Does this organization still exist? If further news has been published, the article would benefit from its incorporation.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 23:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)