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"A Naraka differs from the hells of Abrahamic religions in two respects. First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment; second, the length of a being's stay in a Naraka is not eternal, though it is usually very long."
I don't understand why this article is being asked to double as an article about the Jain concept of Naraka, which, I am sure, differs from the Buddhist concept in both details and in general cosmological principles. There is plenty of room for an article on Naraka (Jainism) if someone can be found who's qualified to write it. RandomCritic 17:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I really think we should emphasize the length of the suffering, with the word very at least twice "...the length of suffering is very very long." -Unsigned
"First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment" Most Buddhist sects that actually give a shit about the Chinese-derived concept of Narakas do believe that beings are sent there as the result of divine judgment. Namely, the judgment of Lord Yama. Not to mention that the concept of karma itself is a form of divine judgment. -- 75.49.222.55 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Were these hells actually part of Buddhism from the beginning? I'm beginning to suspect that these were folk beliefs that were pasted onto Buddhist dharma. If they were, can we include that in the article? Can we also include how many contemporary Buddhists (don't) believe in Naraka? Of all the Buddhists I run into (mostly Anglophone Buddhists), I find very few who actually think that bad people are punished in grotesque ways from 1,620,000,000,000 to 3,397,386,240,000,000,000 years. Lothar76 ( talk) 15:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Western budhists are hippy vegans who won't never understand budhist. They just take trendy buddhist things and re-interpret them with their (not very) own beliefs. So, of course, hedonists hippy don't WANT to believe in hell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E56:B5D0:2D1E:5182:53AC:4BA8 ( talk) 10:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
-- 174.7.56.10 ( talk) 00:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Ouch. Vitriolic: "Give a Shit..." One might be inclined to consider that those who follow the Dharma as taught by the Buddha very quickly became (arguably) the worlds' proselytes,as it occured to them that, "this thing has giant benefit for all, and the compassion it inspires compels me to spread the teaching to those beings in whom the thread runs (which is, of course, all beings).
I had followed this link to find what I believe is the most important information about the "hell realms," which is the "sins" for which the inhabitants of those realms have come to be in them (Hungry Ghost, Animal, Demi-God, God...etc).
I cannot speak to the nomenclature here, as my only other language is French (though I maintain "ainsi, soit-il" is the most Dharma-conscious phrase in all of occidental thinking).
Perhaps this article would be better served by the explanation of such an "important" aspect of what the hell-realms (in which we walk daily, moving from one-to-the-other each minute of each day) actual entail and the "karmic sins" which bring one into those states of being.
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This article gives a decent, basic summary of the hell realms. However, it's not comprehensive. I've come across other hells besides the major ones (8 hot, 8 cold) which are not covered here. In particular, there's the ussada niraya, the neighboring/minor hells, which are adjacent to the major hells, and include a variety of punishments, such as the razor forest. Sources state that there are either 4 or 5 arranged on each side of a major hell, for a total of 16 or 20 (all together: 128 + 8 = 136, or 160 + 8 = 168).
One source [1] lists them as follows: (1) Gutha-niraya or the Filth Hell, (2) Kukkula-niraya or the Ember Hell, (3) Simpalivana-niraya or the Silk-cotton-tree Hell, (4) Asipattavana-niraya or the Sword-leafed-forest Hell; and (5) Vettarani-niraya or the Caustic River Hell.
Then there's the Lokantaras or Lokantarikas, or inter-world hells, which are described as walled-off, dark, empty, in-between places in the worlds of Buddhist cosmology. There may be 10 of these with 100s of millions of smaller hells attached, or they may be infinite (since world-systems are said to be infinite). This is not to be confused with the 8 dark "vivifying" hells (500 years in each one, then reborn in the next), or with the 84,000 miscellaneous/frontier hells, which are confusingly called "small lokantarika hells", and are divided into mountain/water/desert. [2] [3]
This should be seen as preliminary/rough notes on this topic. As you might gather, it's rather difficult to pull all this together from disparate sources, especially when there's the Chinese tradition of Diyu muddying the waters, which I don't believe is strictly Buddhist; the stuff about the pool of blood, 18 hells & 10 courts, Yama as judge, etc all seem to be from Chinese folklore. Hopefully this post & its sources can be a useful starting point. Xcalibur ( talk) 05:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
"moreporks, known as kravyāda" in the text for Mahāraurava links to Morepork, which are inoffensive small owls from Australia and New Zealand, so presumably not the same thing. Tslumley ( talk) 02:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
already covered in the article Naraka (Buddhism). Redtigerxyz Talk 16:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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"A Naraka differs from the hells of Abrahamic religions in two respects. First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment; second, the length of a being's stay in a Naraka is not eternal, though it is usually very long."
I don't understand why this article is being asked to double as an article about the Jain concept of Naraka, which, I am sure, differs from the Buddhist concept in both details and in general cosmological principles. There is plenty of room for an article on Naraka (Jainism) if someone can be found who's qualified to write it. RandomCritic 17:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I really think we should emphasize the length of the suffering, with the word very at least twice "...the length of suffering is very very long." -Unsigned
"First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment" Most Buddhist sects that actually give a shit about the Chinese-derived concept of Narakas do believe that beings are sent there as the result of divine judgment. Namely, the judgment of Lord Yama. Not to mention that the concept of karma itself is a form of divine judgment. -- 75.49.222.55 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Were these hells actually part of Buddhism from the beginning? I'm beginning to suspect that these were folk beliefs that were pasted onto Buddhist dharma. If they were, can we include that in the article? Can we also include how many contemporary Buddhists (don't) believe in Naraka? Of all the Buddhists I run into (mostly Anglophone Buddhists), I find very few who actually think that bad people are punished in grotesque ways from 1,620,000,000,000 to 3,397,386,240,000,000,000 years. Lothar76 ( talk) 15:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Western budhists are hippy vegans who won't never understand budhist. They just take trendy buddhist things and re-interpret them with their (not very) own beliefs. So, of course, hedonists hippy don't WANT to believe in hell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E56:B5D0:2D1E:5182:53AC:4BA8 ( talk) 10:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
-- 174.7.56.10 ( talk) 00:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Ouch. Vitriolic: "Give a Shit..." One might be inclined to consider that those who follow the Dharma as taught by the Buddha very quickly became (arguably) the worlds' proselytes,as it occured to them that, "this thing has giant benefit for all, and the compassion it inspires compels me to spread the teaching to those beings in whom the thread runs (which is, of course, all beings).
I had followed this link to find what I believe is the most important information about the "hell realms," which is the "sins" for which the inhabitants of those realms have come to be in them (Hungry Ghost, Animal, Demi-God, God...etc).
I cannot speak to the nomenclature here, as my only other language is French (though I maintain "ainsi, soit-il" is the most Dharma-conscious phrase in all of occidental thinking).
Perhaps this article would be better served by the explanation of such an "important" aspect of what the hell-realms (in which we walk daily, moving from one-to-the-other each minute of each day) actual entail and the "karmic sins" which bring one into those states of being.
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This article gives a decent, basic summary of the hell realms. However, it's not comprehensive. I've come across other hells besides the major ones (8 hot, 8 cold) which are not covered here. In particular, there's the ussada niraya, the neighboring/minor hells, which are adjacent to the major hells, and include a variety of punishments, such as the razor forest. Sources state that there are either 4 or 5 arranged on each side of a major hell, for a total of 16 or 20 (all together: 128 + 8 = 136, or 160 + 8 = 168).
One source [1] lists them as follows: (1) Gutha-niraya or the Filth Hell, (2) Kukkula-niraya or the Ember Hell, (3) Simpalivana-niraya or the Silk-cotton-tree Hell, (4) Asipattavana-niraya or the Sword-leafed-forest Hell; and (5) Vettarani-niraya or the Caustic River Hell.
Then there's the Lokantaras or Lokantarikas, or inter-world hells, which are described as walled-off, dark, empty, in-between places in the worlds of Buddhist cosmology. There may be 10 of these with 100s of millions of smaller hells attached, or they may be infinite (since world-systems are said to be infinite). This is not to be confused with the 8 dark "vivifying" hells (500 years in each one, then reborn in the next), or with the 84,000 miscellaneous/frontier hells, which are confusingly called "small lokantarika hells", and are divided into mountain/water/desert. [2] [3]
This should be seen as preliminary/rough notes on this topic. As you might gather, it's rather difficult to pull all this together from disparate sources, especially when there's the Chinese tradition of Diyu muddying the waters, which I don't believe is strictly Buddhist; the stuff about the pool of blood, 18 hells & 10 courts, Yama as judge, etc all seem to be from Chinese folklore. Hopefully this post & its sources can be a useful starting point. Xcalibur ( talk) 05:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
"moreporks, known as kravyāda" in the text for Mahāraurava links to Morepork, which are inoffensive small owls from Australia and New Zealand, so presumably not the same thing. Tslumley ( talk) 02:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
already covered in the article Naraka (Buddhism). Redtigerxyz Talk 16:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)