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I request for Category:World War II crimes to be removed from the External Links and replaced with Category:Second Sino-Japanese War crimes instead, given the fact that the Nanking Massacre took place in the Second Sino-Japanese War and not World War II. 95.151.194.20 ( talk) 21:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Partly done: Added Category:Second Sino-Japanese War crimes.
Did not remove Category:World War II because per
World_War_II#Start_and_end_dates: Dates for the beginning of the Pacific War include the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War on 7 July 1937,[3][4] or the earlier Japanese invasion of Manchuria, on 19 September 1931.[5][6] Others follow the British historian A. J. P. Taylor, who held that the Sino-Japanese War and war in Europe and its colonies occurred simultaneously, and the two wars became World War II in 1941.[7]
Xan747 ( talk) 22:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I request the removal of citation John Rabe Archived 2013-07-22 at the Wayback Machine, moreorless.
The statements in that article are not cited and the author of that blog (Bruce Harris) does not have credibility as a known historian or otherwise trustworthy source. In fact, in the about page the author writes:
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I request for the Category:Genocidal massacres to be added to the External Links, since I do think the Nanjing Massacre fits the definition of a Genocidal massacre. 186.96.212.124 ( talk) 11:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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11:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)In the lede, readers will find "The massacre has remained a wedge issue between modern China and Japan. Historical revisionists and nationalists in Japan have been accused of minimizing or denying the massacre." and "This accusation has even been made towards the Japanese version of this Wikipedia article (南京事件), which has for several years been described as lacking pictures and expressing skepticism in the first paragraph of the introduction."
WP:GOODLEDE - doesn't satisfy "Broad in its coverage". Is info about activities on japanese wikipedia really neccesary, as readers can find more infomation about revisionists and denialist behavior from different people in the body of the article, including activities on japanese wikipedia? unlike the first sentence, info is very specific instead of being broad. info can be found here under the header "Denials of the massacre in Japan". the same user posted the info in the body ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nanjing_Massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1167999774) and then in the lede ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nanjing_Massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1168340073)
"This accusation has even been made towards the Japanese version of this Wikipedia article (南京事件), which has for several years been described as lacking pictures and expressing skepticism in the first paragraph of the introduction." should be removed from the lede, as info is not broad and can be found in body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilAhok ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Category:Human rights abuses in Japan to be removed and replaced with Category:Terrorist incidents in China in the External Links, since the event took place in China and not Japan. Also I request for the Category:Genocidal massacres to be added to the External Links. 186.96.212.9 ( talk) 17:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The seventh paragraph in the Nanjing Massacre#Japan section contains a translated excerpt from a Japanese textbook describing the event. However, it lacks identification of the specific textbook being quoted (both in the paragraph and in the source), and there is an identical paragraph in the cited The Straits Times article, suggesting that it's a direct copy-paste without much effort put into it. The quoted account of the event itself is reasonably neutral/accurate, not particularly controversial, and the paragraph seems to have little encyclopedic value to merit inclusion here. First Comet ( talk) 10:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:World War II crimes to be removed because the massacre happened two years before World War II started and also the Category:Second Sino-Japanese War is now under the Category:World War II crimes. 95.147.63.116 ( talk) 18:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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There is an instance of 'Kuomanting' that should be changed to 'Kuomintang' under Massacre->Causes. Blityc ( talk) 12:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
For native or near speakers of Japanese, who well understand Japan's situation on this topic. I am making suggestions for improving notorious Japanese Wikipedia, so I would like your cooperation in the discussion at ja:ノート:南京事件. If you could, I would like you to have a calm discussion instead of getting angry and labeling them as historical revisionism. -- Xefon ( talk) 18:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Debate in Japan", hyperlink the wikipedia article for Akira Suzuki (writer) when he is mentioned to avoid confusion with the famous chemist Akira Suzuki. Spungebubby ( talk) 00:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Port Arthur massacre (China) to be added to the See Also section. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 18:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Changjiao massacre and Panjiayu Massacre to be added to the See Also section. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 19:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the World War II template in the External Links to be removed and replaced with a Second Sino-Japanese War template because World War II started in 1939 and the Nanjing Massacre happened in 1937. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 17:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:Prisoner of war massacres to be added to External Links. 31.124.97.149 ( talk) 22:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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I request for where it says "The perpetrators also committed other war crimes such as mass rape, looting, and arson" to be changed to "The perpetrators also committed other war crimes such as mass rape, torture, looting, and arson". Also I request for in the section of the infobox called Attack type where it says " Mass murder, wartime rape, looting, arson" to be changed to " Mass murder, wartime rape, torture, looting, arson". 31.124.97.149 ( talk) 21:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
P2, "The speed of the army's advance was likely due to commanders allowing looting and rape along the way." imho requires either a citation or removal. The event itself is truly horrific, but I don't know how a link could be established between rape and the speed of a military's advance.
Looting is perhaps a different story as a reasonable link can be made between that and not needing a supply chain. But still a reference is preferable to a bald assertion. Born-in-nude ( talk) 17:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
The Japanese Wikipedia version of this article is undergoing a significant upheaval right now. It has leaned (according to non Japanese scholars) fringe and excessively denialist for around 10+ years now. A few weeks ago, a few users managed to make a significant rewrite more in line with the international consensus that managed to stay up for a week or two. It's since been reverted and they've been defending their version ever since, but they're a minority.
I encourage you to keep watching how they change the article in future. This has been one of the most significant pushes ever to fix the article. It'd be a shame if it doesn't stick. toobigtokale ( talk) 12:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The article says the capital was relocated several times, but not to where. Elcalebo ( talk) 23:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the section called 'Matsui's reaction to the massacre', I request for where it says "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" to "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, torture, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" please. 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 13:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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I request for where It says "Rape and looting was widespread" to "Rape, torture, and looting was widespread". 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 21:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there everyone! I want to argue that the image of the person stabed in their genitals is unnecessary and does not enough for the article to warrent such an extreme image. I guess its purpose is to depict the extremes of the massacre. As much as I get that I though want to ask if that is necessary? (similarly with some other close images of single corpses, mostly children) Nsae Comp ( talk) 22:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the subdivision of the Massacre section called 'Nanking Safety Zone and the role of the foreigners', I request for where it says "By February 45, 1938, the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone had forwarded to the Japanese embassy a total if 450 cases of murder, rape, and general disorder by Japanese soldiers that had been reported after the American, British, and German diplomats had returned to their embassies" to "By February 45, 1938, the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone had forwarded to the Japanese embassy a total of 450 cases of murder, torture, rape, and general disorder by Japanese soldiers that had been reported after the American, British, and German diplomats had returned to their embassies" please. 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 15:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the section called 'Approach of the Imperial Japanese Army', I request for where it says "Numerous atrocities were committed by the Japanese army advanced from Shanghai to Nanjing including but not limited to rape, arson, and murder" to "Numerous atrocities were committed by the Japanese army advanced from Shanghai to Nanjing including but not limited to rape, torture, arson, and murder". 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 15:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
No mention of the pre-war population. Not even a rough estimate. What was the pre-war population and population directly before the massacre? The article just says, "Half of the population had fled Nanjing before the Japanese arrived.", but that doesn't tell you anything numerical. Alexysun ( talk) 16:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
The picture of sodomy of the corpse is not appropriate and can be considered gore pornography that you would find on a gore sight. Please remove if you would. Please don’t leave it there for educational purposes. The acts explain and describe themselves. A middle school child doing homework does not need to see this. 2600:6C67:487F:7EEA:5454:B811:75CB:CA5 ( talk) 21:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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I request for Category:World War II crimes to be removed from the External Links and replaced with Category:Second Sino-Japanese War crimes instead, given the fact that the Nanking Massacre took place in the Second Sino-Japanese War and not World War II. 95.151.194.20 ( talk) 21:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Partly done: Added Category:Second Sino-Japanese War crimes.
Did not remove Category:World War II because per
World_War_II#Start_and_end_dates: Dates for the beginning of the Pacific War include the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War on 7 July 1937,[3][4] or the earlier Japanese invasion of Manchuria, on 19 September 1931.[5][6] Others follow the British historian A. J. P. Taylor, who held that the Sino-Japanese War and war in Europe and its colonies occurred simultaneously, and the two wars became World War II in 1941.[7]
Xan747 ( talk) 22:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
I request the removal of citation John Rabe Archived 2013-07-22 at the Wayback Machine, moreorless.
The statements in that article are not cited and the author of that blog (Bruce Harris) does not have credibility as a known historian or otherwise trustworthy source. In fact, in the about page the author writes:
Although every care has been taken to provide links to suitable material from this site, the nature of the internet prevents any guarantee of the suitability, completeness or accuracy of any of the material that this site may be linked to.
Consequently, this site can accept no responsibility for unsuitable or inaccurate material that may be encountered. Also, there is no guarantee that any of the sites listed will be available at any particular time.
All of the material published on this site is for global distribution. However, the site cannot guarantee that the material is complete or correct. The site therefore takes no responsibility for outcomes that may arise from the use, quotation or reference to the facts, comments and opinions contained within..
— Bruce Harris, Archived 2013-07-15
2600:1700:590:10C0:BC03:EAAD:26F0:6770 ( talk) 23:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:Genocidal massacres to be added to the External Links, since I do think the Nanjing Massacre fits the definition of a Genocidal massacre. 186.96.212.124 ( talk) 11:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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11:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)In the lede, readers will find "The massacre has remained a wedge issue between modern China and Japan. Historical revisionists and nationalists in Japan have been accused of minimizing or denying the massacre." and "This accusation has even been made towards the Japanese version of this Wikipedia article (南京事件), which has for several years been described as lacking pictures and expressing skepticism in the first paragraph of the introduction."
WP:GOODLEDE - doesn't satisfy "Broad in its coverage". Is info about activities on japanese wikipedia really neccesary, as readers can find more infomation about revisionists and denialist behavior from different people in the body of the article, including activities on japanese wikipedia? unlike the first sentence, info is very specific instead of being broad. info can be found here under the header "Denials of the massacre in Japan". the same user posted the info in the body ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nanjing_Massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1167999774) and then in the lede ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nanjing_Massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1168340073)
"This accusation has even been made towards the Japanese version of this Wikipedia article (南京事件), which has for several years been described as lacking pictures and expressing skepticism in the first paragraph of the introduction." should be removed from the lede, as info is not broad and can be found in body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilAhok ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Category:Human rights abuses in Japan to be removed and replaced with Category:Terrorist incidents in China in the External Links, since the event took place in China and not Japan. Also I request for the Category:Genocidal massacres to be added to the External Links. 186.96.212.9 ( talk) 17:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The seventh paragraph in the Nanjing Massacre#Japan section contains a translated excerpt from a Japanese textbook describing the event. However, it lacks identification of the specific textbook being quoted (both in the paragraph and in the source), and there is an identical paragraph in the cited The Straits Times article, suggesting that it's a direct copy-paste without much effort put into it. The quoted account of the event itself is reasonably neutral/accurate, not particularly controversial, and the paragraph seems to have little encyclopedic value to merit inclusion here. First Comet ( talk) 10:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:World War II crimes to be removed because the massacre happened two years before World War II started and also the Category:Second Sino-Japanese War is now under the Category:World War II crimes. 95.147.63.116 ( talk) 18:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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There is an instance of 'Kuomanting' that should be changed to 'Kuomintang' under Massacre->Causes. Blityc ( talk) 12:14, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
For native or near speakers of Japanese, who well understand Japan's situation on this topic. I am making suggestions for improving notorious Japanese Wikipedia, so I would like your cooperation in the discussion at ja:ノート:南京事件. If you could, I would like you to have a calm discussion instead of getting angry and labeling them as historical revisionism. -- Xefon ( talk) 18:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Debate in Japan", hyperlink the wikipedia article for Akira Suzuki (writer) when he is mentioned to avoid confusion with the famous chemist Akira Suzuki. Spungebubby ( talk) 00:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Port Arthur massacre (China) to be added to the See Also section. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 18:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for Changjiao massacre and Panjiayu Massacre to be added to the See Also section. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 19:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the World War II template in the External Links to be removed and replaced with a Second Sino-Japanese War template because World War II started in 1939 and the Nanjing Massacre happened in 1937. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 17:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:Prisoner of war massacres to be added to External Links. 31.124.97.149 ( talk) 22:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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I request for where it says "The perpetrators also committed other war crimes such as mass rape, looting, and arson" to be changed to "The perpetrators also committed other war crimes such as mass rape, torture, looting, and arson". Also I request for in the section of the infobox called Attack type where it says " Mass murder, wartime rape, looting, arson" to be changed to " Mass murder, wartime rape, torture, looting, arson". 31.124.97.149 ( talk) 21:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
P2, "The speed of the army's advance was likely due to commanders allowing looting and rape along the way." imho requires either a citation or removal. The event itself is truly horrific, but I don't know how a link could be established between rape and the speed of a military's advance.
Looting is perhaps a different story as a reasonable link can be made between that and not needing a supply chain. But still a reference is preferable to a bald assertion. Born-in-nude ( talk) 17:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
The Japanese Wikipedia version of this article is undergoing a significant upheaval right now. It has leaned (according to non Japanese scholars) fringe and excessively denialist for around 10+ years now. A few weeks ago, a few users managed to make a significant rewrite more in line with the international consensus that managed to stay up for a week or two. It's since been reverted and they've been defending their version ever since, but they're a minority.
I encourage you to keep watching how they change the article in future. This has been one of the most significant pushes ever to fix the article. It'd be a shame if it doesn't stick. toobigtokale ( talk) 12:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The article says the capital was relocated several times, but not to where. Elcalebo ( talk) 23:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the section called 'Matsui's reaction to the massacre', I request for where it says "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" to "On December 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, torture, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed" please. 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 13:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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I request for where It says "Rape and looting was widespread" to "Rape, torture, and looting was widespread". 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 21:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi there everyone! I want to argue that the image of the person stabed in their genitals is unnecessary and does not enough for the article to warrent such an extreme image. I guess its purpose is to depict the extremes of the massacre. As much as I get that I though want to ask if that is necessary? (similarly with some other close images of single corpses, mostly children) Nsae Comp ( talk) 22:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the subdivision of the Massacre section called 'Nanking Safety Zone and the role of the foreigners', I request for where it says "By February 45, 1938, the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone had forwarded to the Japanese embassy a total if 450 cases of murder, rape, and general disorder by Japanese soldiers that had been reported after the American, British, and German diplomats had returned to their embassies" to "By February 45, 1938, the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone had forwarded to the Japanese embassy a total of 450 cases of murder, torture, rape, and general disorder by Japanese soldiers that had been reported after the American, British, and German diplomats had returned to their embassies" please. 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 15:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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In the section called 'Approach of the Imperial Japanese Army', I request for where it says "Numerous atrocities were committed by the Japanese army advanced from Shanghai to Nanjing including but not limited to rape, arson, and murder" to "Numerous atrocities were committed by the Japanese army advanced from Shanghai to Nanjing including but not limited to rape, torture, arson, and murder". 95.147.145.134 ( talk) 15:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
No mention of the pre-war population. Not even a rough estimate. What was the pre-war population and population directly before the massacre? The article just says, "Half of the population had fled Nanjing before the Japanese arrived.", but that doesn't tell you anything numerical. Alexysun ( talk) 16:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
The picture of sodomy of the corpse is not appropriate and can be considered gore pornography that you would find on a gore sight. Please remove if you would. Please don’t leave it there for educational purposes. The acts explain and describe themselves. A middle school child doing homework does not need to see this. 2600:6C67:487F:7EEA:5454:B811:75CB:CA5 ( talk) 21:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)