Someone keeps replacing the phrase non-Jews with the racial slur goyim.
I removed " Eru is the name for God as omnipotent creator in a fictional language of some influence ( Quenya), meaning "the One". It is not associated with a particular faith." since J.R.R. Tolkien and The Silmarillion are not theologically significant. -- Henrygb 02:14, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
...but by no means is The Buddha considered to be divine.
What? Since when? Perhaps in very early forms of Buddhism, but ask almost any Buddhist in China, Korea or Japan, and of course they'll tell you they consider the Buddha divine. Most strains of the Mahayana consider the Buddha the foundation of all reality itself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.148.27 ( talk) 02:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Who are the people who keep adding this stuff about, "Jehovah"? It is utter rubbish and will give readers the wrong view on things.
We have a few, which are interesting, but it'd be great to have the name of God for every language that has a name for it.
The statement "All Christians believe in a divine Trinity" is not true. There are Christians who reject the idea of "three in one" and believe God in ONE ONLY. _______________________________________________________________________________________________
I 100% AGREE WITH you:
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
...There is only One God and He is Our Lord and Saviour and HIS name is YHWH. He came to earth in the Form of Jesus to pay the price for our sins. Direct link between the names of God.
ALL THESE REFERENCES ARE MADE TO JESUS.
The Tetragrammaton (Greek: τετραγράμματον word with four letters) is the usual reference to the Hebrew name for God, which is spelled (in Hebrew); י (yod) ה (heh) ו (vav) ה (heh) or יהוה (YHWH); it is the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
Of all the names of God, the one which occurs most frequently is the Tetragrammaton, appearing 6,823 times according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Biblia Hebraica and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia texts of the Hebrew Scriptures each contain the Tetragrammaton 6,828 times.
In Judaism, the Tetragrammaton is the ineffable name of God, and is not read aloud. In the reading aloud of the scripture or in prayer, it is replaced with Adonai ("my Lord"). Other written forms such as ד׳ or ה׳ are read as Hashem (the Name), for the same reason.
One theory regarding the disuse of the Tetragrammaton is that the Jewish taboo on its pronunciation was so strong that the original pronunciation may have been lost somewhere in the first millennium. Since then, many scholars (particularly Christians) have sought to reconstruct its original pronunciation.
For example, circa 1518 Christian theologians introduced the pronunciation Yehovah, which is generally held to be implausible, based on the written form יְהֹוָה (read normally, "Yehovah") that was used to indicate to the reader of the Bible in Hebrew to pronounce it "Adonai" (אֲדֹנָי). (Note that due to a rule of Hebrew grammar, the beginning E of the first transliteration is analogous to the beginning A of the second, although they are pronounced differently.)
This theory regarding the disuse of the Tetragrammaton is the result of an interpretation of the Third of the Ten Commandments.
The Jewish people stopped saying the Name by the 3rd century out of fear of violating the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHWH your God in vain" (Exodus 20:7).
It is possible that the practice was in effect prior to early Christian times as Jesus prayed to the Father "I have made your name known". (John 17:26)
Smith's " A Dictionary of the Bible" [published in 1863] notes that Wilhelm Gesenius, who is noted for being one of the greatest Hebrew and biblical scholars, punctuated YHWH as "יַהְוֶה". Many sacred name ministries who believe that YHWH consists of four vowels, pronounce these four vowels as "ee-ah-oo-eh" and believe that that indicates that God's name was "Yahweh".
In what may be a coincidence, the Greek name "ιαουε" would have been pronounced "ee-ah-oo-eh", using the same Greek pronunciation rules that James Strong used.
Yeshua
Yeshua is the late Hebrew of Yahshua (Yahshua in Strong's Concordance is #3091 which is defined as coming from #3068 - Yahweh, and from #3467 - yasha, which means "to save " Together Yahweh and yasha, or Yahshua, means Yahweh saves.)
This was how the late Hebrew/Aramaic 'Yeshua' became the Greek 'Iesous'.
Yeshua, in turn, was a syncopated variant or short form of the original Hebrew Yahshua.
Chronologically speaking then, the various transliterations can be charted as follows:
Language
Original rendition English transliteration
Early Hebrew -----------------------------------------------------------------Yahshua
Late Hebrew -------------------------------------------------------------------Yeshua
Greek-----------------------------Ιησους----------------------------------------Iesous
Late Latin------------------------Iesus-----------------------------------------Iesus
English----------------------------Jesus-----------------------------------------Jesus
[1]
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13:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Krislea Chandler....Yeshua El Shaddai Ministries, Australia 11:45pm 05/02/2006_----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I took out:
It seems very odd and has a few problems with it. First of all, it's not necessary to say that, since it's repeated in the respective sections. And secondly, the Bible and Qur'an (notice spelling) do not encompass the religious texts for all the Abrahamic religions. Jews would be horrified if you called their text the "old testament" of the Bible. Jews have texts which aren't included in the Bible, not to mention the Baha'i Faith, which is another issue.
I assume just leave this out. I also took out:
I have only heard this argument used by die-hard Christians who are desperately attacking Islam. It is not even correct and is not included in
Allah#History, which would be the appropriate place for you to add it, not here.
Cuñado
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Talk
17:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
"Allah" translates as "God" (God as the supreme being, with a cap G). The word for "god" as any god among many is "ilah" (Al-lah being the contraction of Al-ilah: the god, hence God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 ( talk) 18:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
my changes may not have been optimal, but I insist we cannot lump Ancient Egypt and Zoroastrianism under "other". Aten is extremely notable as the earliest sign of monotheism. Likewise, Zoroastrianism played a major role in the emergence of the concept. We do need a Zoroastrianism section, also including Yazidi/Gnostic concepts. Rastafarianism may be listed under "Abrahamic". There is nothing wrong with a section with a single entry (it's monotheism after all). dab (ᛏ) 18:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
There are some religious people who disagree that Allah is a name for God [2]. Secular mind 02:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
A monotheistic religion describes an entity, which is considered the supreme being, and claims that no other entity with similar characteristics exists. As there are several monotheistic religions, several such descriptions exist, which contradict each other.
This article claims with its very title, that all those different descriptions somehow mean the same entity. But this is only one point of view, there is also another point of view, namely, that different descriptions refer to different entities.
God is a generic English name and it is the translation of the generic Arabic name Allah. But only in the same sense as Steven is the translation of the German name Stefan. Secular mind 02:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the article is redundant, and everything in the other article that was valuble has been included into this article. Feel free to vote at the AfD here. -- Wikipedical 19:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I have studied the Bible and found a large collection of names for "God". These are all backed up with the Bible book, chapter and verses that state these common names for God.
http://www.christian-websource.com/other-names-for-god.html
I am sure they are of use to someone. May 28,2007
"Messianic Judaism" is not Judaism at all, but a form of evangelical Christianity. They believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Trinitarian G_d all of which is contrary to the teachings of Judaism. So it would be advisable to move the names of G_d as used in Messianic Judaism to the Christianity section.
I concur with the last commentator. As I see no dialogue about it here, I'll be bold and make the move. 89.100.179.51 00:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Umar F. Abd-Allah on the names "God" and "Allah" : One God, Many Names —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salleyye ( talk • contribs) 03:39, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
While some Bibles and religious publications use capitals in the third person to refer to God (and usually, at least among Christians, also to Jesus), some works go further and use capitals in the first and second persons: Me, My, You, Your, etc. (e.g., "Hallowed be Your Name"). Others avoid capitals altogether (except for I, of course), apparently considering their use pretentious or gratuitous.
I don't know if this should be included in the article, though I would recommend it if it could be sourced. 192.235.1.34 19:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Names of God → Names of the chief gods. The name of this article is not accurate as proven by the discussion in a vote for the article's deletion where not a single user argued the the "God" discussed are [notice the "are"] equal; that is, Allah=Yahweh=Brahman=Great Spirit= Jupiter (god)=Zeus= Amaterasu, et cetera. See also the discussion of the category "Names of God".-- Names of chief gods ( talk) 04:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Its an apparent socks proposal, without any merit. Wikidās ॐ 07:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.In summary, I suggest that the name of the article ('Names of God') be retained, but also that the article be used as an opportunity to collate and catalogue the various names, making clear those instances where the name is actually a personal name or cases where the word used is simply as an alternative word for 'god' i.e. essentially meaning 'the supreme one'. -- Lepton6 ( talk) 17:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone keeps replacing the phrase non-Jews with the racial slur goyim.
I removed " Eru is the name for God as omnipotent creator in a fictional language of some influence ( Quenya), meaning "the One". It is not associated with a particular faith." since J.R.R. Tolkien and The Silmarillion are not theologically significant. -- Henrygb 02:14, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
...but by no means is The Buddha considered to be divine.
What? Since when? Perhaps in very early forms of Buddhism, but ask almost any Buddhist in China, Korea or Japan, and of course they'll tell you they consider the Buddha divine. Most strains of the Mahayana consider the Buddha the foundation of all reality itself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.148.27 ( talk) 02:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Who are the people who keep adding this stuff about, "Jehovah"? It is utter rubbish and will give readers the wrong view on things.
We have a few, which are interesting, but it'd be great to have the name of God for every language that has a name for it.
The statement "All Christians believe in a divine Trinity" is not true. There are Christians who reject the idea of "three in one" and believe God in ONE ONLY. _______________________________________________________________________________________________
I 100% AGREE WITH you:
1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
...There is only One God and He is Our Lord and Saviour and HIS name is YHWH. He came to earth in the Form of Jesus to pay the price for our sins. Direct link between the names of God.
ALL THESE REFERENCES ARE MADE TO JESUS.
The Tetragrammaton (Greek: τετραγράμματον word with four letters) is the usual reference to the Hebrew name for God, which is spelled (in Hebrew); י (yod) ה (heh) ו (vav) ה (heh) or יהוה (YHWH); it is the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
Of all the names of God, the one which occurs most frequently is the Tetragrammaton, appearing 6,823 times according to the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Biblia Hebraica and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia texts of the Hebrew Scriptures each contain the Tetragrammaton 6,828 times.
In Judaism, the Tetragrammaton is the ineffable name of God, and is not read aloud. In the reading aloud of the scripture or in prayer, it is replaced with Adonai ("my Lord"). Other written forms such as ד׳ or ה׳ are read as Hashem (the Name), for the same reason.
One theory regarding the disuse of the Tetragrammaton is that the Jewish taboo on its pronunciation was so strong that the original pronunciation may have been lost somewhere in the first millennium. Since then, many scholars (particularly Christians) have sought to reconstruct its original pronunciation.
For example, circa 1518 Christian theologians introduced the pronunciation Yehovah, which is generally held to be implausible, based on the written form יְהֹוָה (read normally, "Yehovah") that was used to indicate to the reader of the Bible in Hebrew to pronounce it "Adonai" (אֲדֹנָי). (Note that due to a rule of Hebrew grammar, the beginning E of the first transliteration is analogous to the beginning A of the second, although they are pronounced differently.)
This theory regarding the disuse of the Tetragrammaton is the result of an interpretation of the Third of the Ten Commandments.
The Jewish people stopped saying the Name by the 3rd century out of fear of violating the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHWH your God in vain" (Exodus 20:7).
It is possible that the practice was in effect prior to early Christian times as Jesus prayed to the Father "I have made your name known". (John 17:26)
Smith's " A Dictionary of the Bible" [published in 1863] notes that Wilhelm Gesenius, who is noted for being one of the greatest Hebrew and biblical scholars, punctuated YHWH as "יַהְוֶה". Many sacred name ministries who believe that YHWH consists of four vowels, pronounce these four vowels as "ee-ah-oo-eh" and believe that that indicates that God's name was "Yahweh".
In what may be a coincidence, the Greek name "ιαουε" would have been pronounced "ee-ah-oo-eh", using the same Greek pronunciation rules that James Strong used.
Yeshua
Yeshua is the late Hebrew of Yahshua (Yahshua in Strong's Concordance is #3091 which is defined as coming from #3068 - Yahweh, and from #3467 - yasha, which means "to save " Together Yahweh and yasha, or Yahshua, means Yahweh saves.)
This was how the late Hebrew/Aramaic 'Yeshua' became the Greek 'Iesous'.
Yeshua, in turn, was a syncopated variant or short form of the original Hebrew Yahshua.
Chronologically speaking then, the various transliterations can be charted as follows:
Language
Original rendition English transliteration
Early Hebrew -----------------------------------------------------------------Yahshua
Late Hebrew -------------------------------------------------------------------Yeshua
Greek-----------------------------Ιησους----------------------------------------Iesous
Late Latin------------------------Iesus-----------------------------------------Iesus
English----------------------------Jesus-----------------------------------------Jesus
[1]
--
User:203.4.253.158--
13:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Krislea Chandler....Yeshua El Shaddai Ministries, Australia 11:45pm 05/02/2006_----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I took out:
It seems very odd and has a few problems with it. First of all, it's not necessary to say that, since it's repeated in the respective sections. And secondly, the Bible and Qur'an (notice spelling) do not encompass the religious texts for all the Abrahamic religions. Jews would be horrified if you called their text the "old testament" of the Bible. Jews have texts which aren't included in the Bible, not to mention the Baha'i Faith, which is another issue.
I assume just leave this out. I also took out:
I have only heard this argument used by die-hard Christians who are desperately attacking Islam. It is not even correct and is not included in
Allah#History, which would be the appropriate place for you to add it, not here.
Cuñado
-
Talk
17:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
"Allah" translates as "God" (God as the supreme being, with a cap G). The word for "god" as any god among many is "ilah" (Al-lah being the contraction of Al-ilah: the god, hence God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 ( talk) 18:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
my changes may not have been optimal, but I insist we cannot lump Ancient Egypt and Zoroastrianism under "other". Aten is extremely notable as the earliest sign of monotheism. Likewise, Zoroastrianism played a major role in the emergence of the concept. We do need a Zoroastrianism section, also including Yazidi/Gnostic concepts. Rastafarianism may be listed under "Abrahamic". There is nothing wrong with a section with a single entry (it's monotheism after all). dab (ᛏ) 18:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
There are some religious people who disagree that Allah is a name for God [2]. Secular mind 02:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
A monotheistic religion describes an entity, which is considered the supreme being, and claims that no other entity with similar characteristics exists. As there are several monotheistic religions, several such descriptions exist, which contradict each other.
This article claims with its very title, that all those different descriptions somehow mean the same entity. But this is only one point of view, there is also another point of view, namely, that different descriptions refer to different entities.
God is a generic English name and it is the translation of the generic Arabic name Allah. But only in the same sense as Steven is the translation of the German name Stefan. Secular mind 02:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the article is redundant, and everything in the other article that was valuble has been included into this article. Feel free to vote at the AfD here. -- Wikipedical 19:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I have studied the Bible and found a large collection of names for "God". These are all backed up with the Bible book, chapter and verses that state these common names for God.
http://www.christian-websource.com/other-names-for-god.html
I am sure they are of use to someone. May 28,2007
"Messianic Judaism" is not Judaism at all, but a form of evangelical Christianity. They believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Trinitarian G_d all of which is contrary to the teachings of Judaism. So it would be advisable to move the names of G_d as used in Messianic Judaism to the Christianity section.
I concur with the last commentator. As I see no dialogue about it here, I'll be bold and make the move. 89.100.179.51 00:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Dr. Umar F. Abd-Allah on the names "God" and "Allah" : One God, Many Names —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salleyye ( talk • contribs) 03:39, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
While some Bibles and religious publications use capitals in the third person to refer to God (and usually, at least among Christians, also to Jesus), some works go further and use capitals in the first and second persons: Me, My, You, Your, etc. (e.g., "Hallowed be Your Name"). Others avoid capitals altogether (except for I, of course), apparently considering their use pretentious or gratuitous.
I don't know if this should be included in the article, though I would recommend it if it could be sourced. 192.235.1.34 19:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Names of God → Names of the chief gods. The name of this article is not accurate as proven by the discussion in a vote for the article's deletion where not a single user argued the the "God" discussed are [notice the "are"] equal; that is, Allah=Yahweh=Brahman=Great Spirit= Jupiter (god)=Zeus= Amaterasu, et cetera. See also the discussion of the category "Names of God".-- Names of chief gods ( talk) 04:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Its an apparent socks proposal, without any merit. Wikidās ॐ 07:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.In summary, I suggest that the name of the article ('Names of God') be retained, but also that the article be used as an opportunity to collate and catalogue the various names, making clear those instances where the name is actually a personal name or cases where the word used is simply as an alternative word for 'god' i.e. essentially meaning 'the supreme one'. -- Lepton6 ( talk) 17:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)