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This does not sound "encyclopedic," and instead sounds a bit like a sales brochure. I think perhaps the authors should try to limit themselves to neutrally describing the region and salient related issues, and leave their travel preferences for another article. Dxco 04:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
How come there's no mention of the missionaries causing agitation?-- Dangerous-Boy 09:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
What kind of agitations?
-- Phileofish 04:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)this article, as it is now written, has a subtle bias which is factually inaccurate. To my knowledge, there is no such thing as Indo-Mongolian. The Nagas are from Mongolian stock and do not share the ethnicity of Assamese, or the majority of Indians. Nagaland, as an entity only came into being in 1963. Before that time it was a district in Assam. Before Indian independence in 1947 approximately half of what is today Nagaland was under British India. The other half was an un-administered territory. The British annexed the Naga territory in the 1800's. Nagaland or the Naga territory was never a part of present day Manipur. It should be mentioned that terrible human rights violations have occurred when the Indian army invaded the Naga territories. Presently, Nagaland would probably have to be considered a disputed territory.
-- Phileofish 04:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)there has been no evidence to support the notion that western missionaries in any way stirred up the Nagas to separate from India. As far as Christianity goes, the Nagas started to convert to Christianity in the 1850's long before Indian independence. The claim of missionary agitation is an often heard allegation made mostly by pro-Hindu nationalists. It has no basis in fact.
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Seems to me the Nagaland history section suffers from the same problem as the Manipur history. Its even worse. Here is one example : reference to "Nagaland" is found in Mahabharata? An English word in the Mahabharata? First there is the usual problem of historical authenticity of a religious text, and discussion of characters from such a book in the history of Nagaland. Second, how do we know Nagas were always called as such in antiquity, and identifying the Nagas of today with the Nagas mentioned in Mahabharata.
What is the geographical boundary of this "Nagaland" mentioned in Mahabharata? It is a fact that the present boundary is a relatively modern one, and whom outsiders call Nagas are divided into various tribes without a common national boundary until recently. Using a religious text to support historical fact is not warranted. On its own it does not add anything to the early history of Nagaland or the Naga people. Cosmicstring ( talk) 18:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
The brief overview of the History of Nagaland is insubstantial and clearly lacks neutrality. The Naga political struggle is a highly sensitive ongoing issue and therefore any effort to highlight its ‘nationalist activities’ should be treated with utmost consideration and reflect the events that led to its genesis. It is extremely important to understand that the Nagas’ call for a separate nation and self determination didn’t suddenly emerge on the wake of India’s independence. Officially it can be traced back to the memorandum of 1929 submitted by the Naga Club to Simon Commission stating that the Nagas should be left alone to determine their political future when the British decide to leave India.
In accordance with the memorandum, the Government of India Act 1935 was passed which declared the Naga Hills to be an “Excluded Area”, leaving the Nagas outside the framework and jurisdiction of Indian policy. In July 1947, when a delegation of Naga National Council (NNC) met Mahatma Gandhi, he is quoted to have said that the Nagas have every right to be independent if they did not wish to join the Indian Union .Unfortunately, Gandhi was assassinated the following year, leaving the fate of the Nagas at the mercy of the new leaders of independent India.
It is equally important to take note of the Plebiscite of 1951 where an overwhelming 99 % of the Naga population opted for independence. Naturally such verdict didn’t go down well with the Indian leaders and the Plebiscite stood nullified. Interestingly, on hearing the verdict of the plebiscite, Nehru exploded and quoted his infamous words,“Whether Heaven falls or India goes to pieces and blood runs red in the country, I don’t care whether I am here or for that matter any other body comes in, I don’t care. Nagas will not be allowed to become independent.”
Such is the irony that this very same man had earlier in 1946 stated that,” The tribal areas are defined as being those long frontiers of India which are neither part of India nor Burma, nor of Indian states nor any foreign power”. The history account fails to highlight the gross violation of human rights committed by the Indian Army in the Naga soil. Various Acts such as The Assam Maintenance of Public Order (Autonomous District) Act 1953 and The Assam Disturbed Area Act 1955 were passed in the Indian parliament in the name of ‘maintaining law and order’ which curbed the freedom of expression of the Naga people. The controversial Armed Forces (Special Powers) Regulation of 1958 bestowed unimaginable rights to the Indian army personnel even down to the level of low ranked officers to shoot, kill and arrest without warrant any individuals coming under suspicion of ‘unlawful activities’. The reign of terror that subsequently followed is nothing short of pure aggression.
The reason why am providing this background is because Wikipedia is one of the most popular source for reference worldwide and hence such one sided perspective can be very misleading. The point that I am trying to make here is that the usage of terms such as ‘restore order’ and various references to attacks on the ‘Indians’ (read second paragraph of history) are highly debatable and indicates bias. What about the attacks on the Nagas and the innumerable casualties suffered by them who were obviously outnumbered and had every right to defend their homeland? In keeping with the neutrality policy of Wikipedia I suggest that the history content be reconstructed in a manner that is truly ‘neutral’ or leave out the political issue altogether. Proudhighlander ( talk) 15:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
What does Morung mean? I see no reference to it on the newspaper's webpage, nor in this article. A Wikipedia search for the term yields nothing, and a Google search yields primarily links regarding the newspaper, not any other (original) meaning of the term. Just out of curiosity, 15:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Morung is a term for Men's only dormitory (or hostel). Commonly used in the past olden days. Not practiced nowadays.
Check the current census of the Nagaland (2011) for current detail information. Check the state government websites. Nagas are culturally & in tradition 100% different from any other communities of India. We (Nagas) are strong, determined & aggressive bunch of people & we're proud of our roots. Visit Nagaland, we welcome u all people of the world. (sammy z)
Will update the census for the State. R N Zhasa — Preceding unsigned comment added by R N Zhasa ( talk • contribs) 09:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The statitical information provided are largely from 2001 Census. The current census results 2011 need to be included at the earliest.
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There is very little information on Nagaland posted though there are a lot of sources. We must find more information and get the page on our state up-to-date and at par with the similar pages on other States. So, please contribute more.
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I noticed the article is missing a section about education (I believe all other states has one). I don't have the knowledge to write one though. -- Muhandes ( talk) 07:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Removed State name in Hindi, as official language of the State is English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhvintri ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Nagaland before the arrival of the British was part of Manipur under the Manipuri administration as Thibomei and Thimbong districts etc. The word Naga is perhaps a misnomer derived from Bengaly meaning naked as most people were semi naked when the British explored this hill districts of Manipur. The people were originally referred to as Chingmee (Hill People) or Hao (Tribes) in the history of Manipur. With the permission of Manipuri king Britain explored deep inside the naga hills in search of trade route etc.
Who's writing this stuff? I must confess that I have never before known that Nagaland used to be a part of Manipur. This is patently untrue and is absolutely unverifiable. And what of the nugget of info that in the *history of Manipur*, the Nagas used to be known by such-and-such names? How in heaven's name is this of any relevance to the *history of Nagaland*?
155.212.77.138 00:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Kardu
I think that it is largely irrelevant since the term Naga is rather well established. If the author could verify and provide a source of information as to the origin of the collective terms of the Naga people then fine from a historical perspective. 160.44.230.210 ( talk) 11:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
@ J4joeyrod: - The content in "Road to statehood" needs better, stable (non-dead link) reliable citations. The content needs to be arranged chronologically. Some text is repetitive, which is unnecessary.
For example, the following is stated twice, "In June 1946, the Naga National Council submitted a four point memorandum to officials discussing the independence of India from British colonial rule. The memorandum strongly protested against the grouping of Assam with Bengal and asserted that Naga Hills should be constitutionally included in an autonomous Assam, in a free India, with local autonomy, due safeguards and separate electorate for the Naga tribes." This is listed again later under June 1946 four point memorandum. Such repetitions are inappropriate, see wikipedia's style guideline. Please remove one of the duplicates. Rsangma ( talk) 12:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
While Kohima/Imphal battles were important to WWII history, particularly from British Army's POV, but its mention in this article must be done where due and with neutral point of view. Off topic and coatracking weakens this article. Nagaland has a rich and long history that deserves due respect and emphasis, because this article is about Nagaland. I have added a pertinent summary on World War II in memorial section. There is no need for two sections on World War II. If needed, I suggest we discuss and develop a consensus on it on this talk page, in light of wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Rsangma ( talk) 23:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Your attribution is fringe and I do not see WP:RS. Naga has been used by Indic speakers for like at least 4000 years to refer to people they consider "savages". You're quoting British Raj-era fringe stuff, engaging in WP:SYNTH, and generally not providing Wikipedic level material. Ogress 19:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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i am starting this talk page to draw the attention of those concerned with Nagaland.
in the Nagaland page Wikipedia, there is a line in the second paragraph under Antiquity which is as follows, "The ancient name of Nagaland is 'Naganchi', derived from the Naga language." Nagaland i believe this is a misrepresentation because there is no such word in Naga language (read Nagamese- i speak Nagamese and any person speaking this language can attest to this). The thing is that Nagaland is a modern origin; a mixture of the word "Naga" and "Land" and there is no record that states otherwise. The citation given is for the subsequent line that talks about some political party demanding to the change the name and has nothing to do with the origin or 'ancient name' of Nagaland. as such it is my humble opinion that we either provide a source or remove that line.
Thank You H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: rightly observed "...especially when it is a recent politically motivated demand"
Thank You! for the additional info and source. H.S.Naga ( talk) 19:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: highly appreciated! Thank You. H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: Hello! i have removed the 'ancient name of' from the heading as i want to start another talk but i am assuming that instead of starting a new talk we can continue here...
i want to bring to your attention, and all, if any, those who are reading this, that in the 2nd paragraph there is this line:
"The state has experienced insurgency, as well as an inter-ethnic conflict, since the 1950s"
it is a fact and we can find abundant source regarding the 'insurgency' since 1950s however regarding the inter-ethnic conflict it is the rather the other way around: Prior to the advent of the British India, the Nagas were 'headhunters' and war between village, clans, tribes (ethnic, inter-ethnic) was rampant, even as late as 1890 and even in 1900 internecine wars were common but there was a steep decline after the experience of WW1 and WW2 and in fact 'inter-ethnic' conflict disappeared around 1950s when the movement for sovereignty brought various tribes together... as for the conflicts around and after 1980s is not inter-ethnic because it is between various factions for political issue and not based on ethnicity (and each factions usually consist of every tribe/ethnic) H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
...armed conflict in the 1950s, page 246, which was politically motivated. So IMO, the "inter-ethnic" part can be removed when mentioned with "1950s". - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 18:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Greetings! i am starting a new topic here, although Sumi Naga has its own page, i do not know where/whom to address the talk and since Sumi Tribe falls under Nagas and Nagaland so i am posting here. i hope this is acceptable. @ Fylindfotberserk: hello i am tagging you as your intervention is required, i hope it does not inconvenience you.
i would like bring your attention to the following points: The the content titled "Clan system" is not appropriate because the Clan system should cover various clans such as Ayemi, Awomi, Achumi, Chophimi, Kinimi, Jimomi, and Yepthomi etc., that makes up Sumi Tribe and not with the origin or migration of the Sumis.
Just like the origin of the word Naga, even the origin of the word Sumi is contentious. for example Sumi were referred to as Sema up until 1960s-70s, a word given by outsiders and popularized by J.H.Hutton's book The Sema Nagas. as such the following line under the "Clan system",
the Sumi tribe has its origin name from Seo and at no point of time is the Sumi tribe name derived from tree or wood.
seems to be an attempt to assert only particular view(seo-that of three brothers origin) and subsequently suppress other views (that of originating from rituals associated with trees and stone/rock), because in literature (Jimomi, Inavi (2018), "SUMI NAGA: The Origin and Migration of the Sumi Naga", Dimapur, Heritage Publishing House, ISBN 978-93-87837-10-2) as well as in oral stories we find plenty of origin stories so i request those concerned to kindly look into the issue and change the title as well remove the above following line so that we can add a more neutral and helpful information and facts rather than assertion of biased views,
thank you H.S.Naga ( talk) 17:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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What is meant by "Indo-Mongoloid"? Does this term have any scientific validity? Shorne 00:40, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This page should be unprotected now; I just replaced the map with one that I hope Simonides will accept. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk)]] 06:13, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
I see it, finally, but I've temporarily removed the image till we've sorted it out completely. This is a big step in the right direction, in that dotting/shading etc is precisely what I requested; but a quick look at other maps of India, such as on this site, will show you that the current map on this page has an odd angular distortion, ie the state of J&K looks like it was drawn from the side (maybe the map from which the J&K was copied was using a diff. projection from this one), so it is not geographically accurate, though it is a lot more politically correct.
Now, any way to correct this distortion? Does the copyright allow some image editing? And if we want to use the general outlines of this map to replace all other offending maps from now on, how does one go about it - search up every possible page with an India map on it and paste over the image source? Not very clear about that. A policy informing new Wikipedians about uploading India maps would also be nice. -- Simonides 13:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I agree that the page should now be unprotected. As a sysop I have the power, but not the moral right, to do that, as I myself have been quite involved with this page as of late. As I wrote almost half of the text, I don't think it would be right for to exercise sysop powers here, at least not without consensus. If another sysop is willing to unprotect the page, that would be very much appreciated. I hope Simonides is happy with the new map. David Cannon 10:13, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If we're going to discuss how to deal with Kashmir on Indian maps, this is the wrong place, as it has nothing particularly to do with Nagaland. Simonides seems to try to use this obscure place to get his way by stealth, while others who would be interested in the Kashmir question don't see it. Unless this is discussed - and a consensus to change the maps (i.e. all Indian maps) reached - on an appropriate place, I will revert this article. Gzornenplatz 19:26, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
Howdy, folks. It's awful to see this much heat over an article, but I'm glad to see the temperature lowering a bit. If I understand the dispute correctly, the issue is over the map of India used by this and other India-related articles. I have no particular qualifications for knowing whether the often-used map is good or bad, but I hope that those who maintain that it is incorrect can find an alternative. I think that the people who have been wanting unprotection have not objected, essentially, to replacing the map they were using with another. I certainly agree that it is a very serious thing for us to have a bad map. For every map we use that shows too much India, a Pakhistani will be offended, and for every map that shows too little, an Indian will be. It seems to me that we would do well to have a map that indicates contested areas with a key that indicates such and that these areas be including in both national thumbnail maps. That's just an idea. In the meantime, I hope that Simonides will replace the bad map with a good one, and I will unprotect the article so that editing of text can go forward while better maps be found. Geogre 02:49, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
topic: crops grown in nagaland ( Name of crops , their growing seasons , soil type , nutrients used for growth etc . Also paste pictures of crops . write for minimum 5 crops . ) 2409:4043:4E91:A940:53BD:88B0:F2AD:C6A4 ( talk) 11:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Nagaland is now a state which was originally the state of Assam; i.e. Nagaland is a part of old Assam. Assamese is widely spoken in Nagaland; but why it is not mentioned in Wikipedia? 117.99.215.152 ( talk) 18:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
.. 2409:4043:4E0D:811C:FEE9:B260:CFEC:B159 ( talk) 09:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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This does not sound "encyclopedic," and instead sounds a bit like a sales brochure. I think perhaps the authors should try to limit themselves to neutrally describing the region and salient related issues, and leave their travel preferences for another article. Dxco 04:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
How come there's no mention of the missionaries causing agitation?-- Dangerous-Boy 09:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
What kind of agitations?
-- Phileofish 04:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)this article, as it is now written, has a subtle bias which is factually inaccurate. To my knowledge, there is no such thing as Indo-Mongolian. The Nagas are from Mongolian stock and do not share the ethnicity of Assamese, or the majority of Indians. Nagaland, as an entity only came into being in 1963. Before that time it was a district in Assam. Before Indian independence in 1947 approximately half of what is today Nagaland was under British India. The other half was an un-administered territory. The British annexed the Naga territory in the 1800's. Nagaland or the Naga territory was never a part of present day Manipur. It should be mentioned that terrible human rights violations have occurred when the Indian army invaded the Naga territories. Presently, Nagaland would probably have to be considered a disputed territory.
-- Phileofish 04:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)there has been no evidence to support the notion that western missionaries in any way stirred up the Nagas to separate from India. As far as Christianity goes, the Nagas started to convert to Christianity in the 1850's long before Indian independence. The claim of missionary agitation is an often heard allegation made mostly by pro-Hindu nationalists. It has no basis in fact.
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Seems to me the Nagaland history section suffers from the same problem as the Manipur history. Its even worse. Here is one example : reference to "Nagaland" is found in Mahabharata? An English word in the Mahabharata? First there is the usual problem of historical authenticity of a religious text, and discussion of characters from such a book in the history of Nagaland. Second, how do we know Nagas were always called as such in antiquity, and identifying the Nagas of today with the Nagas mentioned in Mahabharata.
What is the geographical boundary of this "Nagaland" mentioned in Mahabharata? It is a fact that the present boundary is a relatively modern one, and whom outsiders call Nagas are divided into various tribes without a common national boundary until recently. Using a religious text to support historical fact is not warranted. On its own it does not add anything to the early history of Nagaland or the Naga people. Cosmicstring ( talk) 18:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
The brief overview of the History of Nagaland is insubstantial and clearly lacks neutrality. The Naga political struggle is a highly sensitive ongoing issue and therefore any effort to highlight its ‘nationalist activities’ should be treated with utmost consideration and reflect the events that led to its genesis. It is extremely important to understand that the Nagas’ call for a separate nation and self determination didn’t suddenly emerge on the wake of India’s independence. Officially it can be traced back to the memorandum of 1929 submitted by the Naga Club to Simon Commission stating that the Nagas should be left alone to determine their political future when the British decide to leave India.
In accordance with the memorandum, the Government of India Act 1935 was passed which declared the Naga Hills to be an “Excluded Area”, leaving the Nagas outside the framework and jurisdiction of Indian policy. In July 1947, when a delegation of Naga National Council (NNC) met Mahatma Gandhi, he is quoted to have said that the Nagas have every right to be independent if they did not wish to join the Indian Union .Unfortunately, Gandhi was assassinated the following year, leaving the fate of the Nagas at the mercy of the new leaders of independent India.
It is equally important to take note of the Plebiscite of 1951 where an overwhelming 99 % of the Naga population opted for independence. Naturally such verdict didn’t go down well with the Indian leaders and the Plebiscite stood nullified. Interestingly, on hearing the verdict of the plebiscite, Nehru exploded and quoted his infamous words,“Whether Heaven falls or India goes to pieces and blood runs red in the country, I don’t care whether I am here or for that matter any other body comes in, I don’t care. Nagas will not be allowed to become independent.”
Such is the irony that this very same man had earlier in 1946 stated that,” The tribal areas are defined as being those long frontiers of India which are neither part of India nor Burma, nor of Indian states nor any foreign power”. The history account fails to highlight the gross violation of human rights committed by the Indian Army in the Naga soil. Various Acts such as The Assam Maintenance of Public Order (Autonomous District) Act 1953 and The Assam Disturbed Area Act 1955 were passed in the Indian parliament in the name of ‘maintaining law and order’ which curbed the freedom of expression of the Naga people. The controversial Armed Forces (Special Powers) Regulation of 1958 bestowed unimaginable rights to the Indian army personnel even down to the level of low ranked officers to shoot, kill and arrest without warrant any individuals coming under suspicion of ‘unlawful activities’. The reign of terror that subsequently followed is nothing short of pure aggression.
The reason why am providing this background is because Wikipedia is one of the most popular source for reference worldwide and hence such one sided perspective can be very misleading. The point that I am trying to make here is that the usage of terms such as ‘restore order’ and various references to attacks on the ‘Indians’ (read second paragraph of history) are highly debatable and indicates bias. What about the attacks on the Nagas and the innumerable casualties suffered by them who were obviously outnumbered and had every right to defend their homeland? In keeping with the neutrality policy of Wikipedia I suggest that the history content be reconstructed in a manner that is truly ‘neutral’ or leave out the political issue altogether. Proudhighlander ( talk) 15:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
What does Morung mean? I see no reference to it on the newspaper's webpage, nor in this article. A Wikipedia search for the term yields nothing, and a Google search yields primarily links regarding the newspaper, not any other (original) meaning of the term. Just out of curiosity, 15:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Morung is a term for Men's only dormitory (or hostel). Commonly used in the past olden days. Not practiced nowadays.
Check the current census of the Nagaland (2011) for current detail information. Check the state government websites. Nagas are culturally & in tradition 100% different from any other communities of India. We (Nagas) are strong, determined & aggressive bunch of people & we're proud of our roots. Visit Nagaland, we welcome u all people of the world. (sammy z)
Will update the census for the State. R N Zhasa — Preceding unsigned comment added by R N Zhasa ( talk • contribs) 09:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
The statitical information provided are largely from 2001 Census. The current census results 2011 need to be included at the earliest.
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There is very little information on Nagaland posted though there are a lot of sources. We must find more information and get the page on our state up-to-date and at par with the similar pages on other States. So, please contribute more.
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I noticed the article is missing a section about education (I believe all other states has one). I don't have the knowledge to write one though. -- Muhandes ( talk) 07:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Removed State name in Hindi, as official language of the State is English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhvintri ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Nagaland before the arrival of the British was part of Manipur under the Manipuri administration as Thibomei and Thimbong districts etc. The word Naga is perhaps a misnomer derived from Bengaly meaning naked as most people were semi naked when the British explored this hill districts of Manipur. The people were originally referred to as Chingmee (Hill People) or Hao (Tribes) in the history of Manipur. With the permission of Manipuri king Britain explored deep inside the naga hills in search of trade route etc.
Who's writing this stuff? I must confess that I have never before known that Nagaland used to be a part of Manipur. This is patently untrue and is absolutely unverifiable. And what of the nugget of info that in the *history of Manipur*, the Nagas used to be known by such-and-such names? How in heaven's name is this of any relevance to the *history of Nagaland*?
155.212.77.138 00:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Kardu
I think that it is largely irrelevant since the term Naga is rather well established. If the author could verify and provide a source of information as to the origin of the collective terms of the Naga people then fine from a historical perspective. 160.44.230.210 ( talk) 11:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
@ J4joeyrod: - The content in "Road to statehood" needs better, stable (non-dead link) reliable citations. The content needs to be arranged chronologically. Some text is repetitive, which is unnecessary.
For example, the following is stated twice, "In June 1946, the Naga National Council submitted a four point memorandum to officials discussing the independence of India from British colonial rule. The memorandum strongly protested against the grouping of Assam with Bengal and asserted that Naga Hills should be constitutionally included in an autonomous Assam, in a free India, with local autonomy, due safeguards and separate electorate for the Naga tribes." This is listed again later under June 1946 four point memorandum. Such repetitions are inappropriate, see wikipedia's style guideline. Please remove one of the duplicates. Rsangma ( talk) 12:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
While Kohima/Imphal battles were important to WWII history, particularly from British Army's POV, but its mention in this article must be done where due and with neutral point of view. Off topic and coatracking weakens this article. Nagaland has a rich and long history that deserves due respect and emphasis, because this article is about Nagaland. I have added a pertinent summary on World War II in memorial section. There is no need for two sections on World War II. If needed, I suggest we discuss and develop a consensus on it on this talk page, in light of wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Rsangma ( talk) 23:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Your attribution is fringe and I do not see WP:RS. Naga has been used by Indic speakers for like at least 4000 years to refer to people they consider "savages". You're quoting British Raj-era fringe stuff, engaging in WP:SYNTH, and generally not providing Wikipedic level material. Ogress 19:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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i am starting this talk page to draw the attention of those concerned with Nagaland.
in the Nagaland page Wikipedia, there is a line in the second paragraph under Antiquity which is as follows, "The ancient name of Nagaland is 'Naganchi', derived from the Naga language." Nagaland i believe this is a misrepresentation because there is no such word in Naga language (read Nagamese- i speak Nagamese and any person speaking this language can attest to this). The thing is that Nagaland is a modern origin; a mixture of the word "Naga" and "Land" and there is no record that states otherwise. The citation given is for the subsequent line that talks about some political party demanding to the change the name and has nothing to do with the origin or 'ancient name' of Nagaland. as such it is my humble opinion that we either provide a source or remove that line.
Thank You H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: rightly observed "...especially when it is a recent politically motivated demand"
Thank You! for the additional info and source. H.S.Naga ( talk) 19:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: highly appreciated! Thank You. H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: Hello! i have removed the 'ancient name of' from the heading as i want to start another talk but i am assuming that instead of starting a new talk we can continue here...
i want to bring to your attention, and all, if any, those who are reading this, that in the 2nd paragraph there is this line:
"The state has experienced insurgency, as well as an inter-ethnic conflict, since the 1950s"
it is a fact and we can find abundant source regarding the 'insurgency' since 1950s however regarding the inter-ethnic conflict it is the rather the other way around: Prior to the advent of the British India, the Nagas were 'headhunters' and war between village, clans, tribes (ethnic, inter-ethnic) was rampant, even as late as 1890 and even in 1900 internecine wars were common but there was a steep decline after the experience of WW1 and WW2 and in fact 'inter-ethnic' conflict disappeared around 1950s when the movement for sovereignty brought various tribes together... as for the conflicts around and after 1980s is not inter-ethnic because it is between various factions for political issue and not based on ethnicity (and each factions usually consist of every tribe/ethnic) H.S.Naga ( talk) 18:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
...armed conflict in the 1950s, page 246, which was politically motivated. So IMO, the "inter-ethnic" part can be removed when mentioned with "1950s". - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 18:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Greetings! i am starting a new topic here, although Sumi Naga has its own page, i do not know where/whom to address the talk and since Sumi Tribe falls under Nagas and Nagaland so i am posting here. i hope this is acceptable. @ Fylindfotberserk: hello i am tagging you as your intervention is required, i hope it does not inconvenience you.
i would like bring your attention to the following points: The the content titled "Clan system" is not appropriate because the Clan system should cover various clans such as Ayemi, Awomi, Achumi, Chophimi, Kinimi, Jimomi, and Yepthomi etc., that makes up Sumi Tribe and not with the origin or migration of the Sumis.
Just like the origin of the word Naga, even the origin of the word Sumi is contentious. for example Sumi were referred to as Sema up until 1960s-70s, a word given by outsiders and popularized by J.H.Hutton's book The Sema Nagas. as such the following line under the "Clan system",
the Sumi tribe has its origin name from Seo and at no point of time is the Sumi tribe name derived from tree or wood.
seems to be an attempt to assert only particular view(seo-that of three brothers origin) and subsequently suppress other views (that of originating from rituals associated with trees and stone/rock), because in literature (Jimomi, Inavi (2018), "SUMI NAGA: The Origin and Migration of the Sumi Naga", Dimapur, Heritage Publishing House, ISBN 978-93-87837-10-2) as well as in oral stories we find plenty of origin stories so i request those concerned to kindly look into the issue and change the title as well remove the above following line so that we can add a more neutral and helpful information and facts rather than assertion of biased views,
thank you H.S.Naga ( talk) 17:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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This page should be unprotected now; I just replaced the map with one that I hope Simonides will accept. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk)]] 06:13, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
I see it, finally, but I've temporarily removed the image till we've sorted it out completely. This is a big step in the right direction, in that dotting/shading etc is precisely what I requested; but a quick look at other maps of India, such as on this site, will show you that the current map on this page has an odd angular distortion, ie the state of J&K looks like it was drawn from the side (maybe the map from which the J&K was copied was using a diff. projection from this one), so it is not geographically accurate, though it is a lot more politically correct.
Now, any way to correct this distortion? Does the copyright allow some image editing? And if we want to use the general outlines of this map to replace all other offending maps from now on, how does one go about it - search up every possible page with an India map on it and paste over the image source? Not very clear about that. A policy informing new Wikipedians about uploading India maps would also be nice. -- Simonides 13:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I agree that the page should now be unprotected. As a sysop I have the power, but not the moral right, to do that, as I myself have been quite involved with this page as of late. As I wrote almost half of the text, I don't think it would be right for to exercise sysop powers here, at least not without consensus. If another sysop is willing to unprotect the page, that would be very much appreciated. I hope Simonides is happy with the new map. David Cannon 10:13, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If we're going to discuss how to deal with Kashmir on Indian maps, this is the wrong place, as it has nothing particularly to do with Nagaland. Simonides seems to try to use this obscure place to get his way by stealth, while others who would be interested in the Kashmir question don't see it. Unless this is discussed - and a consensus to change the maps (i.e. all Indian maps) reached - on an appropriate place, I will revert this article. Gzornenplatz 19:26, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
Howdy, folks. It's awful to see this much heat over an article, but I'm glad to see the temperature lowering a bit. If I understand the dispute correctly, the issue is over the map of India used by this and other India-related articles. I have no particular qualifications for knowing whether the often-used map is good or bad, but I hope that those who maintain that it is incorrect can find an alternative. I think that the people who have been wanting unprotection have not objected, essentially, to replacing the map they were using with another. I certainly agree that it is a very serious thing for us to have a bad map. For every map we use that shows too much India, a Pakhistani will be offended, and for every map that shows too little, an Indian will be. It seems to me that we would do well to have a map that indicates contested areas with a key that indicates such and that these areas be including in both national thumbnail maps. That's just an idea. In the meantime, I hope that Simonides will replace the bad map with a good one, and I will unprotect the article so that editing of text can go forward while better maps be found. Geogre 02:49, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
topic: crops grown in nagaland ( Name of crops , their growing seasons , soil type , nutrients used for growth etc . Also paste pictures of crops . write for minimum 5 crops . ) 2409:4043:4E91:A940:53BD:88B0:F2AD:C6A4 ( talk) 11:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Nagaland is now a state which was originally the state of Assam; i.e. Nagaland is a part of old Assam. Assamese is widely spoken in Nagaland; but why it is not mentioned in Wikipedia? 117.99.215.152 ( talk) 18:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
.. 2409:4043:4E0D:811C:FEE9:B260:CFEC:B159 ( talk) 09:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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