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I felt that the article needed a better explanation on the makeup and possible causes of the fireballs.
I found this information:
"But, on the other hand, science has challenged folk belief in the fireballs and fired a controversy. It began with skepticism by one of Nong Khai’s own citizens, Dr. Manas Kanoksilpa, who for a decade has conducted scientific experiments to explain the fireball phenomenon. Dismissing a human hand in their creation (a charge initially levelled at the villagers), he says that the Bang Fai Phaya Nak are globules of methane and nitrogen formed from decomposed organic matter trapped in pools deep beneath the Mekong. When the balls break the water’s surface, they self-combust and remain alight until they eventually run out of fuel and fade. This is the explanation generally given for the formation of swamp gas and will-o’-the-wisp.
In 2002, the Ministry of Science and Technology appointed a committee of experts to study the issue. The team collected soil and water samples, developed a submarine robot to probe the riverbed, and set up eight gas-collecting and gas-monitoring stations in swamps and rivers where sightings had been reported. After a two-year study, they concurred with Dr. Manas that the fireballs are caused by the sun warming organic matter on the riverbed, causing it to decompose into flammable phosphine and methane gas and combust in the presence of ionised atomic oxygen. This explains why the fireballs are of uniform colour, do not emit flares, smoke or sound, and eventually dissipate without a trace."
more info here: http://www.tatnews.org/emagazine/2215.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.1.52 ( talk) 23:19, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Phaya Naga be merged with Nāga. I'm greatly in favor of a merger, even to include Naga fireballs, as it would help greatly in editing Rocket Festival and Funan. But then there's that paranormal tag.... I've been told by someone who has been there that the event is just a tourist draw on the Thai side, but on the Lao side, still an event imbued with religious awe, which should rate this article a Buddhist swastika. Lee 16:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
"While local adherents of the legend insist they have personally seen these fireballs or know others who have, scientific discussion of the phenomenon is frowned upon and can cause considerable anger."
I removed this line as the ending seemed quite odd for an encyclopedia. "can cause considerable anger." that seems a bit dodgy. What do you lot thing? Mishka Shaw ( talk) 22:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The film Mekhong Full Moon Party should be linked here. 85.179.244.59 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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It's called a festival in the text; not sure if that qualifies as a holiday, but added holiday banner to be on the safe side. Badbilltucker 23:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 00:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Currently, this article does not discuss the religious context of the beliefs associated with Nagas at the Mekong river, either Buddhist or animist. The article seems to push a skeptic POV, immediately jumping to debunk report, without discussing the religious and social context of the festival sufficiently.-- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 13:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Horus, I wonder who the "majority view" is, and who the "supporters" are. Anyway, fair enough, I have added another kind of tag.-- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 20:04, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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Did you know column on 5 August 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
I felt that the article needed a better explanation on the makeup and possible causes of the fireballs.
I found this information:
"But, on the other hand, science has challenged folk belief in the fireballs and fired a controversy. It began with skepticism by one of Nong Khai’s own citizens, Dr. Manas Kanoksilpa, who for a decade has conducted scientific experiments to explain the fireball phenomenon. Dismissing a human hand in their creation (a charge initially levelled at the villagers), he says that the Bang Fai Phaya Nak are globules of methane and nitrogen formed from decomposed organic matter trapped in pools deep beneath the Mekong. When the balls break the water’s surface, they self-combust and remain alight until they eventually run out of fuel and fade. This is the explanation generally given for the formation of swamp gas and will-o’-the-wisp.
In 2002, the Ministry of Science and Technology appointed a committee of experts to study the issue. The team collected soil and water samples, developed a submarine robot to probe the riverbed, and set up eight gas-collecting and gas-monitoring stations in swamps and rivers where sightings had been reported. After a two-year study, they concurred with Dr. Manas that the fireballs are caused by the sun warming organic matter on the riverbed, causing it to decompose into flammable phosphine and methane gas and combust in the presence of ionised atomic oxygen. This explains why the fireballs are of uniform colour, do not emit flares, smoke or sound, and eventually dissipate without a trace."
more info here: http://www.tatnews.org/emagazine/2215.asp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.1.52 ( talk) 23:19, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
It has been proposed that Phaya Naga be merged with Nāga. I'm greatly in favor of a merger, even to include Naga fireballs, as it would help greatly in editing Rocket Festival and Funan. But then there's that paranormal tag.... I've been told by someone who has been there that the event is just a tourist draw on the Thai side, but on the Lao side, still an event imbued with religious awe, which should rate this article a Buddhist swastika. Lee 16:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
"While local adherents of the legend insist they have personally seen these fireballs or know others who have, scientific discussion of the phenomenon is frowned upon and can cause considerable anger."
I removed this line as the ending seemed quite odd for an encyclopedia. "can cause considerable anger." that seems a bit dodgy. What do you lot thing? Mishka Shaw ( talk) 22:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The film Mekhong Full Moon Party should be linked here. 85.179.244.59 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Naga fireball/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
It's called a festival in the text; not sure if that qualifies as a holiday, but added holiday banner to be on the safe side. Badbilltucker 23:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 01:41, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 00:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Currently, this article does not discuss the religious context of the beliefs associated with Nagas at the Mekong river, either Buddhist or animist. The article seems to push a skeptic POV, immediately jumping to debunk report, without discussing the religious and social context of the festival sufficiently.-- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 13:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Horus, I wonder who the "majority view" is, and who the "supporters" are. Anyway, fair enough, I have added another kind of tag.-- Farang Rak Tham ( talk) 20:04, 23 August 2017 (UTC)