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"They might have long been a bulwark between Rome and the wild hordes of the desert but for the short-sighted cupidity of Trajan..."
This seems a bit opinionated. After all, if neither the Romans or the Sassanids could resist the eventual Arab invasions that destroyed both, what are the chances that an independent Nabataean kingdom could've? Kuralyov 03:35, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A note to Kuratowski's Ghost: Your edit summary: "Josephus mentions both Nebaioth and Nabatene but does not claim anything about the origin of the latter name." Could you work the Latin phrases and translations into the text, so that we can see what "Nebaioth" looks like in Josephus' Latin context. Or just give me the ref. to the passage and I'll do it. -- Wetman 14:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Do you think it would be relevant to add to this article that Nabatea was the first place for Paul to preach? Altough not mentioned in Acts, it's shortly mentioned in Galateans 1:17 and 2.Cor 11:32. According to 2.Cor 11:32 he wasn't very succesful :-)
It's worth noting that while the building in the photograph is indeed in Petra, it was built by the Romans, and not Nabataeans. It may be worth distinguishing between the two. Seastreet 18:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Petra certainly was built and carved by the Nabataeans. Most of the building took place during the firs century BC and the first century AD. The Romans didn't annex the nabataeans until 106 AD. Petra became the city (that reached up to around 30.000 inhabitants IIRC) due to the Nabataeans. While it's true that there were already some signs of settling from before the nabataeans, this was pretty limited. The real and major mistake in this article is that it mistakes ancient Edomite Sela with early Petra. The famous attacks on the Nabataeans from 312 BC (though more likely actually 311 BC) were in fact on Khirbet es-Sela' which is rather more to the north. Sela and Petra were often mistakenly connected with each other, but they are not. See for example 'Nabataeans in History', WENNING, The world of the Nabataeans : volume 2 of the International Conference The World of the Herods and the Nabataeans held at the British Museum, 17-19 april 2001, Stuttgart, 2007. Online avaible here: http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/propylaeumdok/volltexte/2010/628/pdf/Wenning_Nabataeans_in_history_2007.pdf My two cents. Titirius ( talk) 14:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
sent two expeditions against the Nabataeans, the first under the command of Demetrios, the second under Athenaios," as Diodorus clearly places Athenaeus first). The references can be found in Anson, E. 2006. ‘The Chronology of the Third Diadoch War,’ Phoenix 60(3/4): 226-235. and Errington, R.M. 1977. ‘Diodorus Siculus and the Chronology of the Early Diadochoi, 320-311 B.C.,’ Hermes 105(4): 478-504. I propose that the article should read 312/11 BC as the chronology in Diodorus has not yet been firmly established for the first contact under Athenaeus and that the Sela/Petra dispute can be resolved in a similar way. 130.102.158.15 ( talk) 03:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi while I could imagine that the date might still be somewhat under discussion, I think the academic world is rather set on the fact that Petra is not Sela and that it most likely was the latter that was under the attack of the Hellenes. It was indeed first Athenaios who was send though. Just a little mistake probably. Who doesn't make those. For the date I think your suggestion is good. I remember reading other books/articles who support the stronghold most likely being Sela', I'll have a look at those again and others and see if there are indeed more recent works who claim the opposite when I have some time. So that we can find the correct solution. Titirius ( talk) 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
If I had my notes and bibliography with me I could anwser. The changing of Sela as the ancient capital of Edom makes the article less well structured I noticed. Perhaps we should add a sentence on how Petra/Rekem became the capital of the Nabataeans, as it pops up out of nowhere later in the article. Which means less informed readers need to read the article on Petra first, to be able to follow well. Perhaps more attention to this discussion should go into the article of Petra as well. Either way I'll try doing some rereading when I have time and respond again. Titirius ( talk) 00:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
What kingship article are you talking about? Do you mean the article The Nabataean kingdom? Actually alot of what we are discussing here is not included in that article while it's more in line with the subject than this. This one should be focussed more on ethnicity, culture,... I think both articles should be edited together, so that they can each have their place. Titirius ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
" Nabataeans became the Arabic name for Aramaeans, whether in Syria or Iraq, a fact which has been incorrectly held to prove that the Nabataeans were originally Aramaean immigrants from Babylonia."
This statement is not true. Nabataens is not the arabic name from the Aramaen, whose arabic name is the same as in english آرامي / آراميون -آراميين. Nabataens in arabic is exactly that; Nabataen, although "Al Anbat" الأنباط is much more commonly used (both Al Nabataen and Al Anbat are correct plural forms).
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Reading through this entire section results in confusion and apparently conflicting statements. It should be cleared up with better facts & references, which I cannot do myself because I know nothing about the subject :) -- 216.145.103.90 ( talk) 18:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
the nabataeans also had ceramic pipeline irrgation, also mention Jacob Blaustein Institute which also conducts research to nabataeans irrigation techniques see http://www.hackwriters.com/Nabataeans.htm http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/pdf/petra_guide.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.180.114 ( talk) 18:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I suggest a move to make this article more in line with other articles on population groups (often refered as ... people)
Khmer people was added as link as they were people as skilled in building waterways, structures as the nabataeans
I wanted to ask what do you think about the ancestory of the nabateans. Are they the descendents of Nebajot and Ishmael? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.22.169.155 ( talk) 18:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Why is Wikipedia extremely biased against Arabs? Nabataeans are one of the groups the form ancient arabs... even the names of the kings are still used among Arabs and have an Arabic meaning.... Aretas حارثة malichus مالك Obodas عبادة Gamilath جميلة
It is funny how the www.Jewishvirtuallibrary.com has a monopoly over editing or writing anything about the Arabs.... Jews are by their very nature anti-arabs, and should not be allowed to play and mess with our history.... we have a lot of sources in Arabic that most people in Wikipedia consider un-reliable simply for the fact that they come from Arabs.... I can believe how a small group of people from the middle east decide and revise the history of this part of the world.....
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Mamshit (Israel) is yet another big and important city, somehow missing in the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.112.12 ( talk) 04:11, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
i noticed that there are some wrong statements with no references in the Article, some people seem to be insisting on pushing those statements down the reader's throat
Wikipedia should be a Neutral source of Information for everyone, not a tool to re-write history
take the statement of "Nabateans is a name of Arameans", this claim holds no water, and gives no scholarly source, but still it still exists in the article
i can see the true reason of this try to make such a claim, the reason why some people want to delete any reference to Arabs from the history of the Ancient Middle East, Especially Palestine
like many other people in the area.that dosnt make them 'arab' even if they do came from somewher in or around the arabian peninsula,and even that is not sure. at the end the best definition for "arab" is by language and with the fact that they and their language merged and replaced with the arabic in the islamic era(that even writen her in the article and in the article about their language)obviously means that they weren't arabs.
dont you think that writing her that they are arabs and than in the same article write that they merged with the arabs in the islamic era it is just confusing contradiction? how arabs merged with arabs? it is just another way to say that they are not arabs.the article should talk about them when they existed and not in their last days when they merged with the arabs. so i think someone (mybe me)should rewrite the beginning atleast,people should pay attention to what they call "arab" it is very confusing definition somtimes especialy with the fact that many people's merged with the arabs. -- 79.181.124.38 ( talk) 09:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
they had arab names, arab gods. arab kings. arabic were not written language at that time they used aramaic language at writing the official language of the middle east at that time but written language changed into arabic. their origin is unknown (the nabt mesopotamian tribe) in the bible nabt is the son of ismail. they are probably a mixture of arabs and syrians . may be the first arabized nation before islam but their descendants today see themselves as arabs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hshamalsahra ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
They were Arabs, case closed. They spoke Aramaic since it was the lingua franca of the middle east at the time but they still saw themselves as arabs. And Nabateans come from Ishamael who is one of the ancestors of Arab people, particularly the Adnanite Arabs. Honestly, this whole "Arabization" crap is not true and just offensive. Most people in the Levant are not Arabized and see themselves as arabs, including petra bedouins so why bother to decide who people are? Akmal94 ( talk) 16:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
In trade, in coming into contact with traders/travelers, they needed to be able to talk to them; bilingual, multilingual; just like the modern "B'doul" who live near Petra and work as guides.
The peoples inhabiting the Arabian Peninsula should more accurately be referred to as Arabians, not as Arabs. Why bother? Because Arabs and Arabians are two different things. Arabian is simply a place name and therefore a neutral, precise designation. In the ancient world, the Akkadian word "Arab" denoted an outsider, and became the usual word to designate the various peoples of the Arabian Peninsula who lived as bedouin, instead of as settled communities. Later in antiquity, this name was replaced by "Sarakenoi", and in late antiquity Procopius speaks of Maddenoi or Maddene Sarakenoi, referring to the Ma'add Arabians of Northern Arabia who were to become the people that first adopted Islam. The text of the Quran is in a specific language called "Arab", but the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula spoke a diversity of languages (they still do) and only the language of the Quran was to unite them in a shared religion, culture, and language that would be called "Arab". In other words, before the 9th c CE, Arabs did not exist, they are the result of a process of ethnogenesis, based, so to speak, on the word of God. Afterwards, not only the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula but also most other groups in the Levant and Arab Iraq were given this Arab identity in Islamic historiography, but that is an incorrect back-projection. Cf. Peter Webb Imagining the Arabs (Edinburgh 2017). Therefore, calling the Nabataeans Arabs is an anachronism, the proper designation should be Arabians. KoechlyRuestow 217.63.243.52 ( talk) 11:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Why can't you just make a map of the Nabataean distribution? Why the whole ancient world as a map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6B:52D:A801:5DC3:F4C8:114E:CACA ( talk) 10:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a site called (Mada'in Saleh) it's on Saudi Arabia? And it not added to this page, hopefully we should add every country has monuments about Nabataeans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.50.243.219 ( talk) 13:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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The Nabataeans, as nomads controlling the trade routes from Petra, must have been reasonably astute, because unlike their successors further south about a thousand years later they did not conquer other countries, or aim to, in the name of religion, an extremely potent form of ideology. They were ultimately defeated by shifting trade routes and a devastating earthquake in 363. It seems understandable enough that the popular writer should make the claim that she made. What is less understandable is that this banality should be cited here as some sort of 'authority'. Pamour ( talk) 21:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
They did conquer other lands and controlled Damascus multiple times, and slayed a Seleucid king (The Battle of Cana). But they were more known as builders and their society was described as idyllic and peaceful by Roman writers, while ancient Greek writers describe them as lovers of freedom who shied from war. Julia Domna Ba'al ( talk) 16:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Their name transliterated into modern Arabic script in the first sentence of the article is irrelevant. It should rather be in the Nabataean alphabet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2748:6F00:FCC3:7E55:6CE5:581E ( talk) 17:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
The current article does not take the debate between an Aramaean and Arabic identity as seriously as it should be. The Maalouf source is not a credible source. This article needs to be flagged for Arabist propaganda and cultural bias. There is plenty of reason to believe that the Nabataeans were not merely ancestors of the modern Arabs as this article currently portrays but really a genuine mixture of Aramaean and Arabic culture and origins. I would like to start changing the article but I want to have this discussion first. The distinction between Aramaeans and Arabs early on was not that huge linguistically, so why is it so obvious that a culture with heavy Aramaean influences has no Aramaean roots. I would suggest that Aramaean and Arabic tribes easily could intermix in this period and this could have happened with the Nabataeans. The erasure of Aramaeans is an important problem to deal with in the Middle East, from Arabists, to Assyrianists, et cetera.
I propose to merge Nabataean Kingdom into Nabataeans. Not a lot of point in having two different but strongly overlapping articles. Almost all information in Nabataean Kingdom is already present in this article. ImTheIP ( talk) 12:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
So it's been 6 full months of inactivity and consensus tipped strongly to Oppose. Gonna go ahead and mark this closed. Zhomron ( talk) 18:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
See this edit [1]. Jane Taylor is a no-name "photographer and writer", not a comparative historian or anthropologist. I don't think it makes sense including her quote calling the Nabateans "one of the most gifted peoples of the ancient world", considering. User:Makeandtoss claims its "peer reviewed and widely acclaimed nevertheless". First of all, I seriously doubt what appears to amount to a coffee table book with some text accompanying (surely very nice photos) has been peer reviewed. Secondly, even if the book is widely acclaimed, which might be true if you believe the blurbs on the book's Amazon.com page, that does not lend the author the academic weight needed to make such a statement qualify as "reliable scholarship". Specifically, it's problematic because she's not only making a comment on the Nabataeans but on ALL of the antique world, by comparing them. I think the quote needs to go. Thisisarealusername ( talk) 09:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
One article talks about king Alexander Jannaeus invading and occupying Nabataean and then in the next sentence immediately jumps into what seems like a completely unrelated subject of Obodas I knowing that Alaxander would attack. There is no prior mention of Obadas I or any conflicts with Alexander that would explain why Alexander would attack. Later in the article it says "Herod the Great, with the support of Cleopatra, started a war against Nabataea." but almost immediately after states that "Cleopatra's general, Athenion, sent Canathans to the aid of the Nabataeans, and this force crushed Herod's army, which then fled to Ormiza." Why would Cleopatra send troops to aid the Nabataeans if she is at war with them? It is hardly considered supportive to send troops against your allies, especially when those troops end up defeating said ally. Unless Athenion is acting in opposition to his Queen (Cleopatra) in which case the article should clarify his action as such. Gaheim ( talk) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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"They might have long been a bulwark between Rome and the wild hordes of the desert but for the short-sighted cupidity of Trajan..."
This seems a bit opinionated. After all, if neither the Romans or the Sassanids could resist the eventual Arab invasions that destroyed both, what are the chances that an independent Nabataean kingdom could've? Kuralyov 03:35, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A note to Kuratowski's Ghost: Your edit summary: "Josephus mentions both Nebaioth and Nabatene but does not claim anything about the origin of the latter name." Could you work the Latin phrases and translations into the text, so that we can see what "Nebaioth" looks like in Josephus' Latin context. Or just give me the ref. to the passage and I'll do it. -- Wetman 14:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Do you think it would be relevant to add to this article that Nabatea was the first place for Paul to preach? Altough not mentioned in Acts, it's shortly mentioned in Galateans 1:17 and 2.Cor 11:32. According to 2.Cor 11:32 he wasn't very succesful :-)
It's worth noting that while the building in the photograph is indeed in Petra, it was built by the Romans, and not Nabataeans. It may be worth distinguishing between the two. Seastreet 18:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Petra certainly was built and carved by the Nabataeans. Most of the building took place during the firs century BC and the first century AD. The Romans didn't annex the nabataeans until 106 AD. Petra became the city (that reached up to around 30.000 inhabitants IIRC) due to the Nabataeans. While it's true that there were already some signs of settling from before the nabataeans, this was pretty limited. The real and major mistake in this article is that it mistakes ancient Edomite Sela with early Petra. The famous attacks on the Nabataeans from 312 BC (though more likely actually 311 BC) were in fact on Khirbet es-Sela' which is rather more to the north. Sela and Petra were often mistakenly connected with each other, but they are not. See for example 'Nabataeans in History', WENNING, The world of the Nabataeans : volume 2 of the International Conference The World of the Herods and the Nabataeans held at the British Museum, 17-19 april 2001, Stuttgart, 2007. Online avaible here: http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/propylaeumdok/volltexte/2010/628/pdf/Wenning_Nabataeans_in_history_2007.pdf My two cents. Titirius ( talk) 14:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
sent two expeditions against the Nabataeans, the first under the command of Demetrios, the second under Athenaios," as Diodorus clearly places Athenaeus first). The references can be found in Anson, E. 2006. ‘The Chronology of the Third Diadoch War,’ Phoenix 60(3/4): 226-235. and Errington, R.M. 1977. ‘Diodorus Siculus and the Chronology of the Early Diadochoi, 320-311 B.C.,’ Hermes 105(4): 478-504. I propose that the article should read 312/11 BC as the chronology in Diodorus has not yet been firmly established for the first contact under Athenaeus and that the Sela/Petra dispute can be resolved in a similar way. 130.102.158.15 ( talk) 03:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi while I could imagine that the date might still be somewhat under discussion, I think the academic world is rather set on the fact that Petra is not Sela and that it most likely was the latter that was under the attack of the Hellenes. It was indeed first Athenaios who was send though. Just a little mistake probably. Who doesn't make those. For the date I think your suggestion is good. I remember reading other books/articles who support the stronghold most likely being Sela', I'll have a look at those again and others and see if there are indeed more recent works who claim the opposite when I have some time. So that we can find the correct solution. Titirius ( talk) 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
If I had my notes and bibliography with me I could anwser. The changing of Sela as the ancient capital of Edom makes the article less well structured I noticed. Perhaps we should add a sentence on how Petra/Rekem became the capital of the Nabataeans, as it pops up out of nowhere later in the article. Which means less informed readers need to read the article on Petra first, to be able to follow well. Perhaps more attention to this discussion should go into the article of Petra as well. Either way I'll try doing some rereading when I have time and respond again. Titirius ( talk) 00:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
What kingship article are you talking about? Do you mean the article The Nabataean kingdom? Actually alot of what we are discussing here is not included in that article while it's more in line with the subject than this. This one should be focussed more on ethnicity, culture,... I think both articles should be edited together, so that they can each have their place. Titirius ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
" Nabataeans became the Arabic name for Aramaeans, whether in Syria or Iraq, a fact which has been incorrectly held to prove that the Nabataeans were originally Aramaean immigrants from Babylonia."
This statement is not true. Nabataens is not the arabic name from the Aramaen, whose arabic name is the same as in english آرامي / آراميون -آراميين. Nabataens in arabic is exactly that; Nabataen, although "Al Anbat" الأنباط is much more commonly used (both Al Nabataen and Al Anbat are correct plural forms).
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Reading through this entire section results in confusion and apparently conflicting statements. It should be cleared up with better facts & references, which I cannot do myself because I know nothing about the subject :) -- 216.145.103.90 ( talk) 18:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
the nabataeans also had ceramic pipeline irrgation, also mention Jacob Blaustein Institute which also conducts research to nabataeans irrigation techniques see http://www.hackwriters.com/Nabataeans.htm http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/pdf/petra_guide.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.180.114 ( talk) 18:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I suggest a move to make this article more in line with other articles on population groups (often refered as ... people)
Khmer people was added as link as they were people as skilled in building waterways, structures as the nabataeans
I wanted to ask what do you think about the ancestory of the nabateans. Are they the descendents of Nebajot and Ishmael? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.22.169.155 ( talk) 18:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Why is Wikipedia extremely biased against Arabs? Nabataeans are one of the groups the form ancient arabs... even the names of the kings are still used among Arabs and have an Arabic meaning.... Aretas حارثة malichus مالك Obodas عبادة Gamilath جميلة
It is funny how the www.Jewishvirtuallibrary.com has a monopoly over editing or writing anything about the Arabs.... Jews are by their very nature anti-arabs, and should not be allowed to play and mess with our history.... we have a lot of sources in Arabic that most people in Wikipedia consider un-reliable simply for the fact that they come from Arabs.... I can believe how a small group of people from the middle east decide and revise the history of this part of the world.....
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Mamshit (Israel) is yet another big and important city, somehow missing in the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.112.12 ( talk) 04:11, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
i noticed that there are some wrong statements with no references in the Article, some people seem to be insisting on pushing those statements down the reader's throat
Wikipedia should be a Neutral source of Information for everyone, not a tool to re-write history
take the statement of "Nabateans is a name of Arameans", this claim holds no water, and gives no scholarly source, but still it still exists in the article
i can see the true reason of this try to make such a claim, the reason why some people want to delete any reference to Arabs from the history of the Ancient Middle East, Especially Palestine
like many other people in the area.that dosnt make them 'arab' even if they do came from somewher in or around the arabian peninsula,and even that is not sure. at the end the best definition for "arab" is by language and with the fact that they and their language merged and replaced with the arabic in the islamic era(that even writen her in the article and in the article about their language)obviously means that they weren't arabs.
dont you think that writing her that they are arabs and than in the same article write that they merged with the arabs in the islamic era it is just confusing contradiction? how arabs merged with arabs? it is just another way to say that they are not arabs.the article should talk about them when they existed and not in their last days when they merged with the arabs. so i think someone (mybe me)should rewrite the beginning atleast,people should pay attention to what they call "arab" it is very confusing definition somtimes especialy with the fact that many people's merged with the arabs. -- 79.181.124.38 ( talk) 09:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
they had arab names, arab gods. arab kings. arabic were not written language at that time they used aramaic language at writing the official language of the middle east at that time but written language changed into arabic. their origin is unknown (the nabt mesopotamian tribe) in the bible nabt is the son of ismail. they are probably a mixture of arabs and syrians . may be the first arabized nation before islam but their descendants today see themselves as arabs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hshamalsahra ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
They were Arabs, case closed. They spoke Aramaic since it was the lingua franca of the middle east at the time but they still saw themselves as arabs. And Nabateans come from Ishamael who is one of the ancestors of Arab people, particularly the Adnanite Arabs. Honestly, this whole "Arabization" crap is not true and just offensive. Most people in the Levant are not Arabized and see themselves as arabs, including petra bedouins so why bother to decide who people are? Akmal94 ( talk) 16:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
In trade, in coming into contact with traders/travelers, they needed to be able to talk to them; bilingual, multilingual; just like the modern "B'doul" who live near Petra and work as guides.
The peoples inhabiting the Arabian Peninsula should more accurately be referred to as Arabians, not as Arabs. Why bother? Because Arabs and Arabians are two different things. Arabian is simply a place name and therefore a neutral, precise designation. In the ancient world, the Akkadian word "Arab" denoted an outsider, and became the usual word to designate the various peoples of the Arabian Peninsula who lived as bedouin, instead of as settled communities. Later in antiquity, this name was replaced by "Sarakenoi", and in late antiquity Procopius speaks of Maddenoi or Maddene Sarakenoi, referring to the Ma'add Arabians of Northern Arabia who were to become the people that first adopted Islam. The text of the Quran is in a specific language called "Arab", but the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula spoke a diversity of languages (they still do) and only the language of the Quran was to unite them in a shared religion, culture, and language that would be called "Arab". In other words, before the 9th c CE, Arabs did not exist, they are the result of a process of ethnogenesis, based, so to speak, on the word of God. Afterwards, not only the inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula but also most other groups in the Levant and Arab Iraq were given this Arab identity in Islamic historiography, but that is an incorrect back-projection. Cf. Peter Webb Imagining the Arabs (Edinburgh 2017). Therefore, calling the Nabataeans Arabs is an anachronism, the proper designation should be Arabians. KoechlyRuestow 217.63.243.52 ( talk) 11:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Why can't you just make a map of the Nabataean distribution? Why the whole ancient world as a map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6B:52D:A801:5DC3:F4C8:114E:CACA ( talk) 10:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a site called (Mada'in Saleh) it's on Saudi Arabia? And it not added to this page, hopefully we should add every country has monuments about Nabataeans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.50.243.219 ( talk) 13:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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The Nabataeans, as nomads controlling the trade routes from Petra, must have been reasonably astute, because unlike their successors further south about a thousand years later they did not conquer other countries, or aim to, in the name of religion, an extremely potent form of ideology. They were ultimately defeated by shifting trade routes and a devastating earthquake in 363. It seems understandable enough that the popular writer should make the claim that she made. What is less understandable is that this banality should be cited here as some sort of 'authority'. Pamour ( talk) 21:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
They did conquer other lands and controlled Damascus multiple times, and slayed a Seleucid king (The Battle of Cana). But they were more known as builders and their society was described as idyllic and peaceful by Roman writers, while ancient Greek writers describe them as lovers of freedom who shied from war. Julia Domna Ba'al ( talk) 16:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Their name transliterated into modern Arabic script in the first sentence of the article is irrelevant. It should rather be in the Nabataean alphabet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2748:6F00:FCC3:7E55:6CE5:581E ( talk) 17:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
The current article does not take the debate between an Aramaean and Arabic identity as seriously as it should be. The Maalouf source is not a credible source. This article needs to be flagged for Arabist propaganda and cultural bias. There is plenty of reason to believe that the Nabataeans were not merely ancestors of the modern Arabs as this article currently portrays but really a genuine mixture of Aramaean and Arabic culture and origins. I would like to start changing the article but I want to have this discussion first. The distinction between Aramaeans and Arabs early on was not that huge linguistically, so why is it so obvious that a culture with heavy Aramaean influences has no Aramaean roots. I would suggest that Aramaean and Arabic tribes easily could intermix in this period and this could have happened with the Nabataeans. The erasure of Aramaeans is an important problem to deal with in the Middle East, from Arabists, to Assyrianists, et cetera.
I propose to merge Nabataean Kingdom into Nabataeans. Not a lot of point in having two different but strongly overlapping articles. Almost all information in Nabataean Kingdom is already present in this article. ImTheIP ( talk) 12:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
So it's been 6 full months of inactivity and consensus tipped strongly to Oppose. Gonna go ahead and mark this closed. Zhomron ( talk) 18:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
See this edit [1]. Jane Taylor is a no-name "photographer and writer", not a comparative historian or anthropologist. I don't think it makes sense including her quote calling the Nabateans "one of the most gifted peoples of the ancient world", considering. User:Makeandtoss claims its "peer reviewed and widely acclaimed nevertheless". First of all, I seriously doubt what appears to amount to a coffee table book with some text accompanying (surely very nice photos) has been peer reviewed. Secondly, even if the book is widely acclaimed, which might be true if you believe the blurbs on the book's Amazon.com page, that does not lend the author the academic weight needed to make such a statement qualify as "reliable scholarship". Specifically, it's problematic because she's not only making a comment on the Nabataeans but on ALL of the antique world, by comparing them. I think the quote needs to go. Thisisarealusername ( talk) 09:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
One article talks about king Alexander Jannaeus invading and occupying Nabataean and then in the next sentence immediately jumps into what seems like a completely unrelated subject of Obodas I knowing that Alaxander would attack. There is no prior mention of Obadas I or any conflicts with Alexander that would explain why Alexander would attack. Later in the article it says "Herod the Great, with the support of Cleopatra, started a war against Nabataea." but almost immediately after states that "Cleopatra's general, Athenion, sent Canathans to the aid of the Nabataeans, and this force crushed Herod's army, which then fled to Ormiza." Why would Cleopatra send troops to aid the Nabataeans if she is at war with them? It is hardly considered supportive to send troops against your allies, especially when those troops end up defeating said ally. Unless Athenion is acting in opposition to his Queen (Cleopatra) in which case the article should clarify his action as such. Gaheim ( talk) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)