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Image S65-36788 has all six astronauts. I found images at Spacefacts (with their watermark), collectSPACE. Looks like the smaller photo is a cropped image of the larger one. So far, all photos I have found with NASA ID numbers are official NASA photos and therefore in the public domain, so these should be too. Could make for a nice addition to the article. Kees08 (Talk) 01:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the text in the Career column of the table in the Group Members section is way to wordy. For a table, it really should be a very brief statement. Otherwise it messes up the table formatting and makes it very hard to read. Would anyone object to shortening those entries and simply leaving out the astronauts full professional history? After all, we do have links to their articles on them and those articles contain all the details. Fcrary ( talk) 05:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. The lists for launches of launch vehicles use that two row format, and they work well. I do not understand why that format would not work in this case. If we think about it, this article's tables could be formatted in a more readable manner. It might mean merging the image and name columns, but I don't see why we shouldn't do that. Since the height of each row is currently driven by that massive amount of prose in the career column, such a merge would not alter the table's readability.
Your claim that it "reads fine" even on mobile phones is false. If that were true, I would never have suggested a change. The fact is that you think it reads fine, and don't seem to care about what other people think. The consistency of the current format with other articles on Apollo-era astronaut groups is irrelevant. If this article can be improved by changing the format, then they would also have to be changed in a similar manner. That's a pain, but if it's an improvement, then we should do so. If you don't like the two-row format, fine. So what's wrong with moving the lengthy prose from the table to the text the article? That is definitely something the MOS recommends. I hate to be rude, but I'm getting a feeling you have a personal interest in this. Were you the person who worked on the article to get it classified as a "good article"? If so, do you have strong feelings that it's perfect and that any suggested changes are accusations that your work was flawed? If so, you should remember that Wikipedia editors aren't supposed to think that way. Our work on an article does not mean we own the article. Fcrary ( talk) 03:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
An example:
Image | Name | Born | Died | ref |
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Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | [1] [2] | |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. |
Image | Name | Born | Died | Notes | ref |
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Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | Garriott first flew on Skylab 3 in 1973. He flew for a second time on STS-9 in 1983. | [1] [2] |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. [1] [2]
-- 64.229.90.53 ( talk) 00:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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Name | Born | Died | Education | Missions | ref |
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Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | BS Electrical Engineering, 1953 MS Electrical Engineering, 1957 PhD Electrical Engineering, 1960 |
Skylab 3, STS-9 | [1] [2] |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. [1] [2]
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Image S65-36788 has all six astronauts. I found images at Spacefacts (with their watermark), collectSPACE. Looks like the smaller photo is a cropped image of the larger one. So far, all photos I have found with NASA ID numbers are official NASA photos and therefore in the public domain, so these should be too. Could make for a nice addition to the article. Kees08 (Talk) 01:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the text in the Career column of the table in the Group Members section is way to wordy. For a table, it really should be a very brief statement. Otherwise it messes up the table formatting and makes it very hard to read. Would anyone object to shortening those entries and simply leaving out the astronauts full professional history? After all, we do have links to their articles on them and those articles contain all the details. Fcrary ( talk) 05:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. The lists for launches of launch vehicles use that two row format, and they work well. I do not understand why that format would not work in this case. If we think about it, this article's tables could be formatted in a more readable manner. It might mean merging the image and name columns, but I don't see why we shouldn't do that. Since the height of each row is currently driven by that massive amount of prose in the career column, such a merge would not alter the table's readability.
Your claim that it "reads fine" even on mobile phones is false. If that were true, I would never have suggested a change. The fact is that you think it reads fine, and don't seem to care about what other people think. The consistency of the current format with other articles on Apollo-era astronaut groups is irrelevant. If this article can be improved by changing the format, then they would also have to be changed in a similar manner. That's a pain, but if it's an improvement, then we should do so. If you don't like the two-row format, fine. So what's wrong with moving the lengthy prose from the table to the text the article? That is definitely something the MOS recommends. I hate to be rude, but I'm getting a feeling you have a personal interest in this. Were you the person who worked on the article to get it classified as a "good article"? If so, do you have strong feelings that it's perfect and that any suggested changes are accusations that your work was flawed? If so, you should remember that Wikipedia editors aren't supposed to think that way. Our work on an article does not mean we own the article. Fcrary ( talk) 03:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
An example:
Image | Name | Born | Died | ref |
---|---|---|---|---|
Career | ||||
Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | [1] [2] | |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. |
Image | Name | Born | Died | Notes | ref |
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Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | Garriott first flew on Skylab 3 in 1973. He flew for a second time on STS-9 in 1983. | [1] [2] |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. [1] [2]
-- 64.229.90.53 ( talk) 00:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Name | Born | Died | Education | Missions | ref |
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Owen K. Garriott |
Enid, Oklahoma, November 22, 1930 |
April 15, 2019 | BS Electrical Engineering, 1953 MS Electrical Engineering, 1957 PhD Electrical Engineering, 1960 |
Skylab 3, STS-9 | [1] [2] |
Garriott received a B.S. in electrical engineering from the University of Oklahoma in 1953. From 1953 to 1956 he served with the U.S. Navy as an electronics officer. He then entered Stanford University and earned an M.S. in 1957 and a Ph.D in 1960 in electrical engineering. He became an assistant professor, and then an associate professor in the Electrical Engineering department there. His first space flight was in July 1973 as Science Pilot on the Skylab 3 mission, the second crew of the Skylab space station. He was Deputy, Acting and Director of Science and Applications at the Johnson Space Center from 1974 to 1975 and 1976 to 1978. As such he was responsible for all research in the physical sciences at the Johnson Space Center. From 1984 to 1986, he was Project Scientist in the Space Station Project Office. He flew in space a second time on STS-9 Columbia in November 1983 as a mission specialist on the Spacelab mission. He retired from NASA in June 1986. [1] [2]