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Edited the part that said Standish Hall was still standing, believe me if it was still standing i'd be able to see it from my bedroom window now.
Couple of other things i'm not too sure about either but i'll need to look them up later. Batch
I agree both his homes, Standish Hall and Duxbury Hall at Chorley are both demolished.
For those who claim Duxbury hall still stands it was demolished in the 50s and the estate is now Duxbury Golf Course. The railway is now closed as well is the coal mine. King konger.
Is this original work? -- Zoe
It should be noted that The crest of the state of Massachusetts features a raised arm holding a sword, this arm is Miles Standish's arm.
Is his name spelt 'Myles' or 'Miles'? May seem a trivial distinction, but it's points like these that make or break an article.
-- Sasuke Sarutobi 22:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
---It's especially important because the article goes back and forth between spellings with no distinction. Rebochan 16:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
--I think I was that "anonymous editor." I am Myles Standish of Tucson, Arizona. The only signature I have seen is the one on the Mayflower Compact. A clear copy can be viewed at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mosmd/compact1.jpg. If there are other documents that have his signature with an "i" please share. Thanks, Myles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.197.2.21 ( talk) 06:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Gurblet ( talk) 02:45, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Hey, my family tree says that it is Myles, it wouldn't be reliable enough to make the whole decision, but it seems like a good confirmation.
Given that Standish is "best remembered" for being a character in "The Courtship of...", shouldn't there be more about the poem in this article? I realize that the poem is basically fiction, but the fictional Myles Standish is at least as notable as the historical one. Nareek 02:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
MILES Standish is my great great great grandfather. His name is spelled MILES. I oun his sword, it has his name inscripted on it. my grandfather is passing away so he just passed it down to me. I now am restoring it.
If he was your great, great, great grandfather, the men in your line reproduced at an average age of about 65. Not likely. You need to have a heart-to-heart with your parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Standish72 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
So I suppose a person has to be notable to be added to the list of notable descendants? I happen to personally know two of them and they're notable to me. Tanner Gilliland.
Benjamin Waller among others. His descendants married the Waller family. I'm a descendent of the Waller family RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The "Ile of Man" referred to in the will is more likely to refer to the farm of that name to the west of Croston, West of Chorley and within a relative distance to Croston, Mawdesley, Ormskirk, and Newborough. There is no reason why a whole, distant island would be willed within a list of small land-holdings all held together within a small area of West Lancashire. The area where the "Ile of Man" is today is still low-lying with many drainage channels. This area would have beeen prone to flooding in the sexteenth century, and hence farms would have been built on the higher ground and marooned as "islands". Local knowldege pays dividens here.
The link to the Isle of Man should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcree ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
According to my records he was born in Duxbury, Lancashire, England. Standish is my 3rd cousin 16x removed RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I have a few comments to make Captain Miles Standish is his name not spelt Myles according to my family tree and also I was reading this article and it says he met and married a woman named Barbara, Well her Last name was Mullins they had 6 children as you may know. I just wanted to let someone know Barbaras last name and the correct spelling of his name. thank you
Rebekah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebekahhodges ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to have two separate narratives going on. The "Who was Myles Standish" section appears to be a second bio and, rather than being a separate section, it seems to me that information should have been interwoven within the existing article. The "Who was" section also has some serious problems with unreferenced and questionable facts. I'm contemplating an overhaul of this article that would string together a single narrative of Capt. Standish's life, BUT...I don't want to embark on major changes without some feedback on this. Any thoughts from previous contributors? Thanks, Historical Perspective ( talk) 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This subject has been debated for more than a century and may not ever be completely resolved. There is no primary source evidence to show exactly where Standish was born, which is why I had listed his birthplace as "Unknown." I will admit that "unknown" is probably improper given the fact that there really seems to be a growing (I might even say overwhelming) consensus that Standish was born in the vicinity of Chorley, Lancashire, England. I've personally spoken to authorities on both sides of the Atlantic on this one. I think the Rector of the St. Laurence Church in Chorley (which has Standishes interred there) put it best on their website when he writes, "The research of the St Laurence Historical Society has not yet provided any absolute proof as to the birthplace of Myles Standish. However, as of 2007, it does seem able to state that the balance of probability is now that Myles Standish was probably born in Lancashire and had some significant association with Manor of Duxbury, Chorley, that branch of the Standish family being worshipers at St Laurence Church."(For full article by John Cree, see here). So, that said, I think it's appropriate to list his birthplace as Lancashire, England. Perhaps even something like "vicinity of Chorley, Lancashire, England." But I did remove "Duxbury" because that was the name of a manor hall and not a town or city. Even though it seems clear that Myles Standish was somehow related to the Standishes of Duxbury Manor, it really would be a tough one to prove that he was born IN Duxbury Manor. Historical Perspective ( talk) 15:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I guess, in the unlikely event that any curious readers/editors are wondering, I should record my rationale for not including a "notable descendants" section as many of the articles for Mayflower passengers do. First, WP:MOS specifies that lists should really be kept to "works by," "see also," "notes," "references," and "external links." Otherwise, articles really ought to be prose, not lists. I suppose there are some examples of lists within articles that help to shed light on the subject of the article, but I really don't think that massively long lists of descendants helps to understand who Myles Standish was. I've noticed that some of the other Pilgrim biographies have gotten bogged down in awfully long descendants lists. I think this is unwieldy and unfortunate. I suppose my point being that I feel this article should be a biography and not a genealogy page. I think if someone wanted to create a List of Myles Standish descendants, that would probably be the better place. Historical Perspective ( talk) 19:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, great job on bringing this up to snuff. As the primary editor at Plymouth Colony when it was being brought through the FA process, I really enjoyed reading this article and seeing its recent changes that brought it to FA standards. Congrats to all of the primary editors here. With 2 articles down, maybe we are on our way towards a featured topic? Anyhoo, the William Bradford (Plymouth governor) article is in fairly sorry shape. Maybe that one next? -- Jayron 32 04:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
the article makes reference to Massachusett - the Indian Tribe - not the State of Massachusetts. See the Wiki article Massachusett people so please do not change the spelling. Thanks. Mugginsx ( talk) 20:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The cited "zero-revert" essay notwithstanding -- it is, after all, an essay, not a guideline or policy -- this information is not about the subject; it's a capsule background of Plymouth Colony. As such, anyone interested in Plymouth Colony can easily click the link in the lead. The only parts of this section pertaining to Standish involve his connection with the Pilgrims (which is already mentioned in the lead) and the statement that there was no evidence that Standish formally joined the Separatists (which is also already mentioned in the lead). This is Standish's article, not Plymouth Colony's, and per WP:CONTENTFORK -- which is an official content guideline -- this information doesn't belong in the article. Ravenswing 00:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Beyond that, I make no assumptions that people will read this article knowing (say) the history of Plymouth Colony in advance. I do assume that rather than regurgitating every bit of information I think a reader might possibly want to know (which surely would include the Plymouth and Pilgrim articles, at the least), an interested reader can simply click on the appropriate hyperlinks for any side subject he sees about which he wishes to know more ... a skill set which we'd consider basic for any user of Wikipedia. Ravenswing 19:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I checked with American Ancestors and they have NO last name recorded for Barbara but I see someone has already removed it. The reference is at http://www.americanancestors.org/pilgrim-families-myles-standish/ .
Mullins. Myles Standish is my 3rd cousin. Hearried Barbara Mullins in Plymouth RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe he was also the namesake for Boston University's Myles Standish Hall and the former hotel of the same name. Should this be in the Legacy section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtentindo ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
After all, the term in the introduction is capitalized to infer a specific group of pilgrims. Using Mayflower Compact would enable the reading to easily access from very useful and specific context for Standish's constituency. Jyg ( talk) 02:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Is it justified to call Nathaniel Morton's 'short passage... in his New England's Memorial' "possibly the best source" regarding Standish's origins, when, as is clear from the excerpt from Standish's will provided just above this statement, Morton merely used this document (which, originating with Standish itself, either ought to itself constitute "possibly the best source" or alternatively be looked at as of dubious veracity), down to the exact wordings "surreptitiously detained from" (him) and (his) "great grandfather being a second or younger brother from the house of Standish"? It just seems that either Standish's will itself ought to take this position as "possibly the best source", or not, if he is considered unreliable in his claims; just because Morton represents another person writing ABOUT Standish doesn't make what he writes particularly more reliable, seeing as all he did was slightly rewrite what Standish included in his will. Just a thought! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.197.203 ( talk) 20:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
There's no doubt that Myles came from Chorley since one of the areas in Plymouth in America is called Duxbury, possibly named after his ancestral home, you can't say that that's a coincidence. Even Chorley is throwing 400 years of Myles Standish's Mayflower Journey in 2020. He didn't come from the Isle of Man, however he might have visited it. ChampionCynthia ( talk) 21:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
It does not say what his parents names were any reason why? 185.130.156.202 ( talk) 10:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I disambiguated the link to Douglas to Douglas, Isle of Man as there is only one place on the island with that name. This was reverted with an edit summary asking me to discuss this here. Douglas links to a dab page so I do not understand the objection to disambiguating the link.— Rod talk 10:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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Edited the part that said Standish Hall was still standing, believe me if it was still standing i'd be able to see it from my bedroom window now.
Couple of other things i'm not too sure about either but i'll need to look them up later. Batch
I agree both his homes, Standish Hall and Duxbury Hall at Chorley are both demolished.
For those who claim Duxbury hall still stands it was demolished in the 50s and the estate is now Duxbury Golf Course. The railway is now closed as well is the coal mine. King konger.
Is this original work? -- Zoe
It should be noted that The crest of the state of Massachusetts features a raised arm holding a sword, this arm is Miles Standish's arm.
Is his name spelt 'Myles' or 'Miles'? May seem a trivial distinction, but it's points like these that make or break an article.
-- Sasuke Sarutobi 22:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
---It's especially important because the article goes back and forth between spellings with no distinction. Rebochan 16:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
--I think I was that "anonymous editor." I am Myles Standish of Tucson, Arizona. The only signature I have seen is the one on the Mayflower Compact. A clear copy can be viewed at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mosmd/compact1.jpg. If there are other documents that have his signature with an "i" please share. Thanks, Myles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.197.2.21 ( talk) 06:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Gurblet ( talk) 02:45, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Hey, my family tree says that it is Myles, it wouldn't be reliable enough to make the whole decision, but it seems like a good confirmation.
Given that Standish is "best remembered" for being a character in "The Courtship of...", shouldn't there be more about the poem in this article? I realize that the poem is basically fiction, but the fictional Myles Standish is at least as notable as the historical one. Nareek 02:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
MILES Standish is my great great great grandfather. His name is spelled MILES. I oun his sword, it has his name inscripted on it. my grandfather is passing away so he just passed it down to me. I now am restoring it.
If he was your great, great, great grandfather, the men in your line reproduced at an average age of about 65. Not likely. You need to have a heart-to-heart with your parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Standish72 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
So I suppose a person has to be notable to be added to the list of notable descendants? I happen to personally know two of them and they're notable to me. Tanner Gilliland.
Benjamin Waller among others. His descendants married the Waller family. I'm a descendent of the Waller family RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The "Ile of Man" referred to in the will is more likely to refer to the farm of that name to the west of Croston, West of Chorley and within a relative distance to Croston, Mawdesley, Ormskirk, and Newborough. There is no reason why a whole, distant island would be willed within a list of small land-holdings all held together within a small area of West Lancashire. The area where the "Ile of Man" is today is still low-lying with many drainage channels. This area would have beeen prone to flooding in the sexteenth century, and hence farms would have been built on the higher ground and marooned as "islands". Local knowldege pays dividens here.
The link to the Isle of Man should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcree ( talk • contribs) 09:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
According to my records he was born in Duxbury, Lancashire, England. Standish is my 3rd cousin 16x removed RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I have a few comments to make Captain Miles Standish is his name not spelt Myles according to my family tree and also I was reading this article and it says he met and married a woman named Barbara, Well her Last name was Mullins they had 6 children as you may know. I just wanted to let someone know Barbaras last name and the correct spelling of his name. thank you
Rebekah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebekahhodges ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to have two separate narratives going on. The "Who was Myles Standish" section appears to be a second bio and, rather than being a separate section, it seems to me that information should have been interwoven within the existing article. The "Who was" section also has some serious problems with unreferenced and questionable facts. I'm contemplating an overhaul of this article that would string together a single narrative of Capt. Standish's life, BUT...I don't want to embark on major changes without some feedback on this. Any thoughts from previous contributors? Thanks, Historical Perspective ( talk) 20:39, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This subject has been debated for more than a century and may not ever be completely resolved. There is no primary source evidence to show exactly where Standish was born, which is why I had listed his birthplace as "Unknown." I will admit that "unknown" is probably improper given the fact that there really seems to be a growing (I might even say overwhelming) consensus that Standish was born in the vicinity of Chorley, Lancashire, England. I've personally spoken to authorities on both sides of the Atlantic on this one. I think the Rector of the St. Laurence Church in Chorley (which has Standishes interred there) put it best on their website when he writes, "The research of the St Laurence Historical Society has not yet provided any absolute proof as to the birthplace of Myles Standish. However, as of 2007, it does seem able to state that the balance of probability is now that Myles Standish was probably born in Lancashire and had some significant association with Manor of Duxbury, Chorley, that branch of the Standish family being worshipers at St Laurence Church."(For full article by John Cree, see here). So, that said, I think it's appropriate to list his birthplace as Lancashire, England. Perhaps even something like "vicinity of Chorley, Lancashire, England." But I did remove "Duxbury" because that was the name of a manor hall and not a town or city. Even though it seems clear that Myles Standish was somehow related to the Standishes of Duxbury Manor, it really would be a tough one to prove that he was born IN Duxbury Manor. Historical Perspective ( talk) 15:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I guess, in the unlikely event that any curious readers/editors are wondering, I should record my rationale for not including a "notable descendants" section as many of the articles for Mayflower passengers do. First, WP:MOS specifies that lists should really be kept to "works by," "see also," "notes," "references," and "external links." Otherwise, articles really ought to be prose, not lists. I suppose there are some examples of lists within articles that help to shed light on the subject of the article, but I really don't think that massively long lists of descendants helps to understand who Myles Standish was. I've noticed that some of the other Pilgrim biographies have gotten bogged down in awfully long descendants lists. I think this is unwieldy and unfortunate. I suppose my point being that I feel this article should be a biography and not a genealogy page. I think if someone wanted to create a List of Myles Standish descendants, that would probably be the better place. Historical Perspective ( talk) 19:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, great job on bringing this up to snuff. As the primary editor at Plymouth Colony when it was being brought through the FA process, I really enjoyed reading this article and seeing its recent changes that brought it to FA standards. Congrats to all of the primary editors here. With 2 articles down, maybe we are on our way towards a featured topic? Anyhoo, the William Bradford (Plymouth governor) article is in fairly sorry shape. Maybe that one next? -- Jayron 32 04:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
the article makes reference to Massachusett - the Indian Tribe - not the State of Massachusetts. See the Wiki article Massachusett people so please do not change the spelling. Thanks. Mugginsx ( talk) 20:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The cited "zero-revert" essay notwithstanding -- it is, after all, an essay, not a guideline or policy -- this information is not about the subject; it's a capsule background of Plymouth Colony. As such, anyone interested in Plymouth Colony can easily click the link in the lead. The only parts of this section pertaining to Standish involve his connection with the Pilgrims (which is already mentioned in the lead) and the statement that there was no evidence that Standish formally joined the Separatists (which is also already mentioned in the lead). This is Standish's article, not Plymouth Colony's, and per WP:CONTENTFORK -- which is an official content guideline -- this information doesn't belong in the article. Ravenswing 00:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Beyond that, I make no assumptions that people will read this article knowing (say) the history of Plymouth Colony in advance. I do assume that rather than regurgitating every bit of information I think a reader might possibly want to know (which surely would include the Plymouth and Pilgrim articles, at the least), an interested reader can simply click on the appropriate hyperlinks for any side subject he sees about which he wishes to know more ... a skill set which we'd consider basic for any user of Wikipedia. Ravenswing 19:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I checked with American Ancestors and they have NO last name recorded for Barbara but I see someone has already removed it. The reference is at http://www.americanancestors.org/pilgrim-families-myles-standish/ .
Mullins. Myles Standish is my 3rd cousin. Hearried Barbara Mullins in Plymouth RMSTitanicFan1912 ( talk) 08:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe he was also the namesake for Boston University's Myles Standish Hall and the former hotel of the same name. Should this be in the Legacy section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtentindo ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
After all, the term in the introduction is capitalized to infer a specific group of pilgrims. Using Mayflower Compact would enable the reading to easily access from very useful and specific context for Standish's constituency. Jyg ( talk) 02:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Is it justified to call Nathaniel Morton's 'short passage... in his New England's Memorial' "possibly the best source" regarding Standish's origins, when, as is clear from the excerpt from Standish's will provided just above this statement, Morton merely used this document (which, originating with Standish itself, either ought to itself constitute "possibly the best source" or alternatively be looked at as of dubious veracity), down to the exact wordings "surreptitiously detained from" (him) and (his) "great grandfather being a second or younger brother from the house of Standish"? It just seems that either Standish's will itself ought to take this position as "possibly the best source", or not, if he is considered unreliable in his claims; just because Morton represents another person writing ABOUT Standish doesn't make what he writes particularly more reliable, seeing as all he did was slightly rewrite what Standish included in his will. Just a thought! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.197.203 ( talk) 20:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
There's no doubt that Myles came from Chorley since one of the areas in Plymouth in America is called Duxbury, possibly named after his ancestral home, you can't say that that's a coincidence. Even Chorley is throwing 400 years of Myles Standish's Mayflower Journey in 2020. He didn't come from the Isle of Man, however he might have visited it. ChampionCynthia ( talk) 21:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
It does not say what his parents names were any reason why? 185.130.156.202 ( talk) 10:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I disambiguated the link to Douglas to Douglas, Isle of Man as there is only one place on the island with that name. This was reverted with an edit summary asking me to discuss this here. Douglas links to a dab page so I do not understand the objection to disambiguating the link.— Rod talk 10:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)