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I have never heard the Uzbeks claim Shokai was an Uzbek. If he were a Uzbek, how could he be "a leading member of Alash Orda(Kazakh-Kyrghyz nationalistic organisation)?" www.factbug.org/cgi-bin/a.cgi?a=1686485
And how could he say: "We all (Kazakhs and Kyrghyz)are children of Alash." (Wir sind alle Kinder Alaschs")[ [1]]
He was a Kazakh. He was born in Aulie tarangyl, a village in the Syrdariya district of Kyzyl-Orda oblast. This Kazakh-populated territory is now a part of Uzbekistan.
The Russian article pinned by you (* Mustafa Chokaev listing at Ludi - in Russian)states that he traced his genealogy back to the Kazakh khans who ruled Khiwa.
It is known that since the XIII century the Kazakh aristocracy (generally, the descendants of Ghengis Khan) had been invited to Khiva and Kokand where they were proclaimed by the Uzbeks as their khans. For example, Bakhadur khan (1728), Ilbars khan II (1728-40), Takhir khan (1740-41), Nuraly khan (1741- 42), Qaip (Ghaib) khan (1746-57) - all of Sheibanid dinasty, or other khans of Qonyrat dinasty that ruled Khiva from 1804 till the 1920 revolution.
Even the Democratic ERK Party of Uzbekistan confirms that Mustafa Shoqai was a Kazakh. [2]]
Finally he was poisoned by Wali Kajumov, an Uzbek himself, who wanted the Kazakhs be fired from the commander positions in the Turkestan Legion.
OK, I will do that as soon as I can. P.S. Islam Karimov is a Tajik from Samarkand. (even nowadays the bulk of population in Buqara and Samarqand is Tajik). Every Uzbek knows that. Whether he will disclose this fact or not is the other question. That is the reason why he was absent from the summer summit of Turkic states in Turkey.
I do not know the Wikipedia rules well, but can anyone explain me why is this article put into the Uzbekistan section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.225.69 ( talk) 02:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
first, it is unnessary to put "age:119" he already died and i dont know how to edit. secondly, the article says he died in 1941, but Turkestan legion says Turkistan legion was formed in 1942. so, how did he help the legion established? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.104.230 ( talk) 05:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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I have never heard the Uzbeks claim Shokai was an Uzbek. If he were a Uzbek, how could he be "a leading member of Alash Orda(Kazakh-Kyrghyz nationalistic organisation)?" www.factbug.org/cgi-bin/a.cgi?a=1686485
And how could he say: "We all (Kazakhs and Kyrghyz)are children of Alash." (Wir sind alle Kinder Alaschs")[ [1]]
He was a Kazakh. He was born in Aulie tarangyl, a village in the Syrdariya district of Kyzyl-Orda oblast. This Kazakh-populated territory is now a part of Uzbekistan.
The Russian article pinned by you (* Mustafa Chokaev listing at Ludi - in Russian)states that he traced his genealogy back to the Kazakh khans who ruled Khiwa.
It is known that since the XIII century the Kazakh aristocracy (generally, the descendants of Ghengis Khan) had been invited to Khiva and Kokand where they were proclaimed by the Uzbeks as their khans. For example, Bakhadur khan (1728), Ilbars khan II (1728-40), Takhir khan (1740-41), Nuraly khan (1741- 42), Qaip (Ghaib) khan (1746-57) - all of Sheibanid dinasty, or other khans of Qonyrat dinasty that ruled Khiva from 1804 till the 1920 revolution.
Even the Democratic ERK Party of Uzbekistan confirms that Mustafa Shoqai was a Kazakh. [2]]
Finally he was poisoned by Wali Kajumov, an Uzbek himself, who wanted the Kazakhs be fired from the commander positions in the Turkestan Legion.
OK, I will do that as soon as I can. P.S. Islam Karimov is a Tajik from Samarkand. (even nowadays the bulk of population in Buqara and Samarqand is Tajik). Every Uzbek knows that. Whether he will disclose this fact or not is the other question. That is the reason why he was absent from the summer summit of Turkic states in Turkey.
I do not know the Wikipedia rules well, but can anyone explain me why is this article put into the Uzbekistan section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.225.69 ( talk) 02:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
first, it is unnessary to put "age:119" he already died and i dont know how to edit. secondly, the article says he died in 1941, but Turkestan legion says Turkistan legion was formed in 1942. so, how did he help the legion established? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.104.230 ( talk) 05:58, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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