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Egypt Project and Politics Project editors, you both rated this article C-Class. Would you please provide specific organizational and/or content-related suggestions for improving this article? Thanks. Twells1208 ( talk) 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The title is incomprehensible. It needs to be changed however that can be done. Anything but the current title. It needs articles, connectors, conjunctions (less preferred). Something to alleviate the strain of a mouthful of 4 words with 2-4 syllables each, unrelieved by anything else that might help the reader understand the title. Never mind that you will explain the title later in the article. Titles should be self-explanatory.
If you want this to be read by people who are not surprised when the topic is different from what they thought it would be. "Hits" may only be for a few seconds.
How about "Influence of the Muslim Brotherhood"? or (I don't really like this) "Muslim Brotherhood Influence."
Yes, there are other titles that are similarly misguided and confusing. I'm thinking the insertion of the word "operations" is misguided style. It's a word English speakers don't expect to see coupled together with the others. And it's too long.
Is it about "influence" or about "operations?" It seems to promise too much. It seems gobbledegook. Student7 ( talk) 01:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I must respectfully agree. Big words are hard! SignoreMachia ( talk) 01:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Influence operations is a political science term that simply means activities to change others opinions and behaviors. Every political entity attempts influence operations. I respect that if you have never studied political science, this term may be unfamiliar to you, but at least previous versions of this page explained the term and why it is appropriate. Cbales212 ( talk) 16:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
How about the non POV term "Criticism of the Muslim Brotherhood". One could also use "The Threat of the Muslim Brotherhood". After all conspiracy theories see a threat. So this title would have the same meaning in a sense. However, this title would be a POV in the opposite direction. That's why I suggest "Criticism ...". There are many pages like this and it makes no claim in the title as to the validity of the criticisms. Jason from nyc ( talk) 00:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The title of this page is clear. The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization with a particular point of view, and like all organizations, it tries to influence people to its point of view. This is accomplished through influence operations. Influence operations is a political science term that clearly states its meaning--activities to influence. There is nothing inherently bad or negative about influence operations--every political entity on the planet tries to do it. It is fine if you have a different point of view, but please accept that others may disagree with you and respect other views. Cbales212 ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This article is filed with unreliable sources ( http://counterjihadreport.com "counterjihadreport"] and FrontPageMag). There are also primary sources ( MEMRI). In short, much of the content needs to be cleaned up. That which is sourced properly, will likely need to be attributed back to the author. VR talk 13:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Based on the discussions above, and my own feelings about it, I've renamed this article to Muslim Brotherhood activities in the United States. The previous title 'Muslim Brotherhood Influence Operations' - was arguably inaccurate, as influence operations are what one state does to another. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a state, but an international organisation. I added 'in the United States' to the title, as that's what the article mostly focuses on. (I also think much of the content of this article is partial and based on unreliable sources, but that's a different issue.) Robofish ( talk) 23:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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Egypt Project and Politics Project editors, you both rated this article C-Class. Would you please provide specific organizational and/or content-related suggestions for improving this article? Thanks. Twells1208 ( talk) 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The title is incomprehensible. It needs to be changed however that can be done. Anything but the current title. It needs articles, connectors, conjunctions (less preferred). Something to alleviate the strain of a mouthful of 4 words with 2-4 syllables each, unrelieved by anything else that might help the reader understand the title. Never mind that you will explain the title later in the article. Titles should be self-explanatory.
If you want this to be read by people who are not surprised when the topic is different from what they thought it would be. "Hits" may only be for a few seconds.
How about "Influence of the Muslim Brotherhood"? or (I don't really like this) "Muslim Brotherhood Influence."
Yes, there are other titles that are similarly misguided and confusing. I'm thinking the insertion of the word "operations" is misguided style. It's a word English speakers don't expect to see coupled together with the others. And it's too long.
Is it about "influence" or about "operations?" It seems to promise too much. It seems gobbledegook. Student7 ( talk) 01:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I must respectfully agree. Big words are hard! SignoreMachia ( talk) 01:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Influence operations is a political science term that simply means activities to change others opinions and behaviors. Every political entity attempts influence operations. I respect that if you have never studied political science, this term may be unfamiliar to you, but at least previous versions of this page explained the term and why it is appropriate. Cbales212 ( talk) 16:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
How about the non POV term "Criticism of the Muslim Brotherhood". One could also use "The Threat of the Muslim Brotherhood". After all conspiracy theories see a threat. So this title would have the same meaning in a sense. However, this title would be a POV in the opposite direction. That's why I suggest "Criticism ...". There are many pages like this and it makes no claim in the title as to the validity of the criticisms. Jason from nyc ( talk) 00:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The title of this page is clear. The Muslim Brotherhood is an organization with a particular point of view, and like all organizations, it tries to influence people to its point of view. This is accomplished through influence operations. Influence operations is a political science term that clearly states its meaning--activities to influence. There is nothing inherently bad or negative about influence operations--every political entity on the planet tries to do it. It is fine if you have a different point of view, but please accept that others may disagree with you and respect other views. Cbales212 ( talk) 16:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This article is filed with unreliable sources ( http://counterjihadreport.com "counterjihadreport"] and FrontPageMag). There are also primary sources ( MEMRI). In short, much of the content needs to be cleaned up. That which is sourced properly, will likely need to be attributed back to the author. VR talk 13:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Based on the discussions above, and my own feelings about it, I've renamed this article to Muslim Brotherhood activities in the United States. The previous title 'Muslim Brotherhood Influence Operations' - was arguably inaccurate, as influence operations are what one state does to another. The Muslim Brotherhood is not a state, but an international organisation. I added 'in the United States' to the title, as that's what the article mostly focuses on. (I also think much of the content of this article is partial and based on unreliable sources, but that's a different issue.) Robofish ( talk) 23:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)