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Does anyone else have a problem with the current division of Turkish music in the Ottoman era into 2 genres? I think that mehter/military music has always been entirely distinct from palace art music (it shares no instruments with Ottoman art music from any period), and was always conceptualized as such. I think the division should be at least 3-fold: folk, art, and military. Defense for the 3- or more division can be found in the Garland Encyclopedia/ Middle East volume. eliotbates ( talk) 23:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Turkish_musical_instruments Please use this template in related pages -- Macukali 13:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to put a stop to the revert wars. I understand you feel passionately about your own issues but please think before you edit -
These are my edits so far:
I have tidied up the first two paragraphs. Though I don't agree that you need to stick in every inconceivable influence in Turkish music, because it was not meant to be an exhaustive list but just examples - and that the old version read better - I have decided not to change it simply because I think the majority of Turks here do not understand that they are sacrificing a well written article simply to stick in some other piece of information. For example, the fact that Balkan music is an element is made clear in the rest of the article and doesn't need to mentioned really, and that it should be obvious that the Seljuk's colonised Anatolia. It is sad that they don't realise this - but I have kept sacrificed a better paragraph merely to keep the peace so I hope they will stop attacking the article.
I also changed the Zeybek links. For some reason MelEtis believes that this should be on a separate page than the Greek dance - I think because Greek nationalistic roots and sympathies - though I yet have to research that.
I tidied up the Mustafa Sandal sentence about his winning a gold disc. I haven't any authority that says this - nor have I found any, but I am assuming good faith on the part of the Sandal fans that have added it.
Someone keeps adding Turkish soundtrack music as though it is a separate genre. As far as I know it isn't. I suggest they actually contribute to some articles and not just put in names to articles they will never write themselves. That is just lazy.
There was a link to a Turkish Government page but as it doesn'T directly refer to that paragraph you cannot cite it - so I put th elink in FURTHER READING. I have tried to keep away from Turkish nationalism POV and to be honest most of the Ministry of Culture pages in English are either wrong or badly written or nationalistic, which makes me wonder how much Turks know about their own music. For example on this page the Ministry of Culture labels the Ankara folk oyun havasi misket as a belly dance, mixing up the genres. A oyun havası is not necessarily a belly dance. Deff6 19:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I edited the changes made about the Club Scene because what is being talked about here is not just clubs in Turkey. Yes, there are clubs in Ankara and Izmir and Antalya, but this is not what we mean in English when we say an underground music scene. We mean the 'meaking and producing of alternative music. Arguably, the Istanbul music scene is the center of that creativity. I will try and make that more clear. Deff6 20:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This user has reverted all edits to the Zeybek dance page to the Greek version - even though he opened the article himself. After arguing and reverting the Greek Zeybek page - the man now comes and changes all the Zeybek links of the Music of Turkey page to the Greek Zeybek. Does this make sense?
The two references taken out are there for a reason - THEY HAVE BEEN CITED. The immigrants lowest of the low article about mistreatment of Turkish immigrants in Germany influenced the Turkish hip hop genre, for example. It is all footnoted if one takes the time to read and not just edit. 82.145.231.194 13:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
When we refer to classical music in Turkey it refers to the modal music which is strongly related to Byzantine music. It has some continuity in the sense that both the so-called Turkish classical music and Byzantine music are music of "the Royal palace" apart from the well-known modal style. I'm thinking of adding some more material to reflect contemporary Turkish music during the times of the modern republic. These will include contemporary composers such as Ilhan Mimaroglu, Ilhan Usmanbas, Ertugrul Oğuz Fırat, etc. This will inevitably result in Classical music to be reclassified as "Saray music" or "Makamsal Music". I wonder what the other authors think of this? I'm aware of the sensitivity of "Saray music" connoiseurs. Any ideas of how to reshape the article? Let's discuss and find.-- hamilikart 13:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The 20th and 21st century Turkish music genre which continues much of the repertoire and musical characteristics (makam, usul, forms, etc.) of Ottoman court music is today generally called Classical Turkish Music (Klâsik Türk Müziği). Other accepted terms I've seen in publications: Art Music (Sanat Musikisi), Ottoman Court Music (Osmanlı Musikisi), Learned Music (İlmî Musiki), etc. Makamsal (Makam modal music) is a bit too vague; the term is applied too broadly applied without clear distinction, e.g., to Balkan folk genres influenced by Ottoman/Turkish music. Neyzenhasan 15:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC).
Its related more to Arab, Persian and Eastern musical traditions. The Turks never adopted a Byzantine court or Byzantine influenced court. Let's stop trying to invent stories and keep to the realities.
I'm wondering if Mevlevi music should be in the classical rather than the folk section. -- Solri
No Mevlevi music is folk music because it is derived from a religious sect. However, certain famous sufi's like Dede Efendi were classical music composers. 82.145.231.8 13:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Leaving aside ideological criteria, Mevlevi music belongs with classical Turkish music, not Turkish folk music. From a musical point of view, compositions for the Mevlevi ceremony (ayinler) are nearly identical to classical Turkish music (Ottoman court music). Makams are the same, usuls are nearly the same, forms are similar. Many composers besides Dede Efendi, including Sultan Selim III, composed ayins. Many Mevlevi musicians also played in the court. The prominence of the ney in court music most likely came from Mevlevi practice. Mevlevi music strongly influenced court music. Folk music never uses makams, usuls, forms, Ottoman poetry, etc. There are no musical grounds for associating Mevlevi music with folk music. Neyzenhasan 16:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC).
I agree with Neyzenhasan. Mevlevi music was very much tied to the courts and court outposts (Konya, Bursa) through history, and had much less of a meaningful connection with local folk music practices. I disagree that "Folk music never uses makams, usuls, forms, Ottoman poetry, etc." Some folk musics in Anatolia (in particular, certain genres in Izmir, Elazig, Erzincan, and Gaziantepe) very much used named makams (with extensive modulations) and usuls, at least, and were substantially influenced over a long period of time by Ottoman forms. But that doesn't change the question of this section, how to categorize Mevlevi music. eliotbates ( talk) 23:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone made this comment within the article text, which seems to belong more to the talk page than to the article itself:
"Fasil refers to a performance form, a suite of pieces in the same Makam and is not specific to Rom music"
I don't know if this is the case. Can the text be reworded to integrate this info?-- Chinawhitecotton 05:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the paragraph below from Kurdish music because it is incorrect. For correct information on Ottoman classical music and makams please see sources [1]. Kurdi is the name of the composer - not of a race in this instance.
The music is modal, with its maqam (or mode in Arabic music) is called Kurdi and is known throughout the Arab world.
I removed this list because it doesn't appear that these are anything more than Turkish translations of English terms and don't particularly line up with sensible articles. The few that do correspond to an article-worthy subject are already linked to elsewhere in the article. Tuf-Kat 01:30, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Can we lower-case this title? Turkish music genres and artists, for example? -- Zoe
I'm curious - why is "Music of Turkey" a better title than "Turkish music" (where this has been moved from)? It doesn't seem so natural or so linkable to me. -- Camembert
Probably because this should also contains information about Armenian and Kurdish musics, while Turkish music could focus on the music performed by ethnic Turks in Central Asia and in immigrant communities in Europe. Danny
I suppose that's fair enough. -- Camembert
Going by that logic then you can't call music from America American music, music from Greece, Greek music, music from Armenia Armenian music - because all these places will have had the same melting pot of influences.
The Turkish music genres and artists (the original title) seems more appropriate. It just smacks of not labelling anything Turkish (when it correctly is) because of racial sensitivities.
An anonymous person with the IP 82.145.231.9 vandals this article all the time! He/She wants to hide the success of Turkish pop. This person has already cursed in some articles. We must observe this person, that he/she cannot always vandal this article... Mustionline 18:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This article has been put forth for Good Article review. Baristarim 20:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I will put this on hold, since its taken awhile for someone to review, once these layout issues are addressed i will read the text. Goodluck M3tal H3ad 01:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Apologies if this is not the right place for it, but about your check list:
Plus, would it be correct to add the Turkish musical instruments template on the page? Thanks in advance for your help. 82.145.231.90 20:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I am currently researching all the audio samples per your request. 82.145.231.90 13:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
His article lists musical instruments of the Ottoman period classified by genre (i.e., clearly distinguishing divisions), placing darbuka under the "dance" rubric, not classical. The article under discussion is classical music not dance music. Neyzenhasan ( talk) 19:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
We're confusing two completely different genres here, "Turkish Classical Music," i.e., Western classical music played in Turkey (Türk Klâsik Müziği), and "Classical Turkish Music," i.e., Ottoman court music played today in Turkey (Klâsik Türk Mûsîkîsi). This is now standard terminology in discussing Turkish music today. Neyzenhasan ( talk) 19:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think that we should mention this song in the article because it is a very old and clearly famous Turku (ballad) and the roots of it goes back to time of the Ottoman Empire. It is also famous in other countries and has even been sung by Eartha Kitt. It would also be great if we could make an audio sample! can anybody please make one as i am not sure how to upload music onto wikipedia or what the copyrights would be Justinz84 ( talk) 20:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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Greek music ism NOT a form of turkish music. Original greek music is this: " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BSYCUX6ss&feature=related" which was evolutionized to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BSYCUX6ss&feature=related
So please do not evaluate greek music according to all those "turkish rooted" or "turkish favour" people in greece who try to "sell" those types of music similar to yours as greek.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.171.240.100 ( talk) 08:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
1.1 musical instruments
kanun link is wrong... I would correct it but I dont know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.100.118.176 ( talk) 21:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Does anyone else have a problem with the current division of Turkish music in the Ottoman era into 2 genres? I think that mehter/military music has always been entirely distinct from palace art music (it shares no instruments with Ottoman art music from any period), and was always conceptualized as such. I think the division should be at least 3-fold: folk, art, and military. Defense for the 3- or more division can be found in the Garland Encyclopedia/ Middle East volume. eliotbates ( talk) 23:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Turkish_musical_instruments Please use this template in related pages -- Macukali 13:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to put a stop to the revert wars. I understand you feel passionately about your own issues but please think before you edit -
These are my edits so far:
I have tidied up the first two paragraphs. Though I don't agree that you need to stick in every inconceivable influence in Turkish music, because it was not meant to be an exhaustive list but just examples - and that the old version read better - I have decided not to change it simply because I think the majority of Turks here do not understand that they are sacrificing a well written article simply to stick in some other piece of information. For example, the fact that Balkan music is an element is made clear in the rest of the article and doesn't need to mentioned really, and that it should be obvious that the Seljuk's colonised Anatolia. It is sad that they don't realise this - but I have kept sacrificed a better paragraph merely to keep the peace so I hope they will stop attacking the article.
I also changed the Zeybek links. For some reason MelEtis believes that this should be on a separate page than the Greek dance - I think because Greek nationalistic roots and sympathies - though I yet have to research that.
I tidied up the Mustafa Sandal sentence about his winning a gold disc. I haven't any authority that says this - nor have I found any, but I am assuming good faith on the part of the Sandal fans that have added it.
Someone keeps adding Turkish soundtrack music as though it is a separate genre. As far as I know it isn't. I suggest they actually contribute to some articles and not just put in names to articles they will never write themselves. That is just lazy.
There was a link to a Turkish Government page but as it doesn'T directly refer to that paragraph you cannot cite it - so I put th elink in FURTHER READING. I have tried to keep away from Turkish nationalism POV and to be honest most of the Ministry of Culture pages in English are either wrong or badly written or nationalistic, which makes me wonder how much Turks know about their own music. For example on this page the Ministry of Culture labels the Ankara folk oyun havasi misket as a belly dance, mixing up the genres. A oyun havası is not necessarily a belly dance. Deff6 19:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I edited the changes made about the Club Scene because what is being talked about here is not just clubs in Turkey. Yes, there are clubs in Ankara and Izmir and Antalya, but this is not what we mean in English when we say an underground music scene. We mean the 'meaking and producing of alternative music. Arguably, the Istanbul music scene is the center of that creativity. I will try and make that more clear. Deff6 20:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This user has reverted all edits to the Zeybek dance page to the Greek version - even though he opened the article himself. After arguing and reverting the Greek Zeybek page - the man now comes and changes all the Zeybek links of the Music of Turkey page to the Greek Zeybek. Does this make sense?
The two references taken out are there for a reason - THEY HAVE BEEN CITED. The immigrants lowest of the low article about mistreatment of Turkish immigrants in Germany influenced the Turkish hip hop genre, for example. It is all footnoted if one takes the time to read and not just edit. 82.145.231.194 13:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
When we refer to classical music in Turkey it refers to the modal music which is strongly related to Byzantine music. It has some continuity in the sense that both the so-called Turkish classical music and Byzantine music are music of "the Royal palace" apart from the well-known modal style. I'm thinking of adding some more material to reflect contemporary Turkish music during the times of the modern republic. These will include contemporary composers such as Ilhan Mimaroglu, Ilhan Usmanbas, Ertugrul Oğuz Fırat, etc. This will inevitably result in Classical music to be reclassified as "Saray music" or "Makamsal Music". I wonder what the other authors think of this? I'm aware of the sensitivity of "Saray music" connoiseurs. Any ideas of how to reshape the article? Let's discuss and find.-- hamilikart 13:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The 20th and 21st century Turkish music genre which continues much of the repertoire and musical characteristics (makam, usul, forms, etc.) of Ottoman court music is today generally called Classical Turkish Music (Klâsik Türk Müziği). Other accepted terms I've seen in publications: Art Music (Sanat Musikisi), Ottoman Court Music (Osmanlı Musikisi), Learned Music (İlmî Musiki), etc. Makamsal (Makam modal music) is a bit too vague; the term is applied too broadly applied without clear distinction, e.g., to Balkan folk genres influenced by Ottoman/Turkish music. Neyzenhasan 15:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC).
Its related more to Arab, Persian and Eastern musical traditions. The Turks never adopted a Byzantine court or Byzantine influenced court. Let's stop trying to invent stories and keep to the realities.
I'm wondering if Mevlevi music should be in the classical rather than the folk section. -- Solri
No Mevlevi music is folk music because it is derived from a religious sect. However, certain famous sufi's like Dede Efendi were classical music composers. 82.145.231.8 13:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Leaving aside ideological criteria, Mevlevi music belongs with classical Turkish music, not Turkish folk music. From a musical point of view, compositions for the Mevlevi ceremony (ayinler) are nearly identical to classical Turkish music (Ottoman court music). Makams are the same, usuls are nearly the same, forms are similar. Many composers besides Dede Efendi, including Sultan Selim III, composed ayins. Many Mevlevi musicians also played in the court. The prominence of the ney in court music most likely came from Mevlevi practice. Mevlevi music strongly influenced court music. Folk music never uses makams, usuls, forms, Ottoman poetry, etc. There are no musical grounds for associating Mevlevi music with folk music. Neyzenhasan 16:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC).
I agree with Neyzenhasan. Mevlevi music was very much tied to the courts and court outposts (Konya, Bursa) through history, and had much less of a meaningful connection with local folk music practices. I disagree that "Folk music never uses makams, usuls, forms, Ottoman poetry, etc." Some folk musics in Anatolia (in particular, certain genres in Izmir, Elazig, Erzincan, and Gaziantepe) very much used named makams (with extensive modulations) and usuls, at least, and were substantially influenced over a long period of time by Ottoman forms. But that doesn't change the question of this section, how to categorize Mevlevi music. eliotbates ( talk) 23:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone made this comment within the article text, which seems to belong more to the talk page than to the article itself:
"Fasil refers to a performance form, a suite of pieces in the same Makam and is not specific to Rom music"
I don't know if this is the case. Can the text be reworded to integrate this info?-- Chinawhitecotton 05:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the paragraph below from Kurdish music because it is incorrect. For correct information on Ottoman classical music and makams please see sources [1]. Kurdi is the name of the composer - not of a race in this instance.
The music is modal, with its maqam (or mode in Arabic music) is called Kurdi and is known throughout the Arab world.
I removed this list because it doesn't appear that these are anything more than Turkish translations of English terms and don't particularly line up with sensible articles. The few that do correspond to an article-worthy subject are already linked to elsewhere in the article. Tuf-Kat 01:30, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Can we lower-case this title? Turkish music genres and artists, for example? -- Zoe
I'm curious - why is "Music of Turkey" a better title than "Turkish music" (where this has been moved from)? It doesn't seem so natural or so linkable to me. -- Camembert
Probably because this should also contains information about Armenian and Kurdish musics, while Turkish music could focus on the music performed by ethnic Turks in Central Asia and in immigrant communities in Europe. Danny
I suppose that's fair enough. -- Camembert
Going by that logic then you can't call music from America American music, music from Greece, Greek music, music from Armenia Armenian music - because all these places will have had the same melting pot of influences.
The Turkish music genres and artists (the original title) seems more appropriate. It just smacks of not labelling anything Turkish (when it correctly is) because of racial sensitivities.
An anonymous person with the IP 82.145.231.9 vandals this article all the time! He/She wants to hide the success of Turkish pop. This person has already cursed in some articles. We must observe this person, that he/she cannot always vandal this article... Mustionline 18:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This article has been put forth for Good Article review. Baristarim 20:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I will put this on hold, since its taken awhile for someone to review, once these layout issues are addressed i will read the text. Goodluck M3tal H3ad 01:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Apologies if this is not the right place for it, but about your check list:
Plus, would it be correct to add the Turkish musical instruments template on the page? Thanks in advance for your help. 82.145.231.90 20:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I am currently researching all the audio samples per your request. 82.145.231.90 13:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
His article lists musical instruments of the Ottoman period classified by genre (i.e., clearly distinguishing divisions), placing darbuka under the "dance" rubric, not classical. The article under discussion is classical music not dance music. Neyzenhasan ( talk) 19:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
We're confusing two completely different genres here, "Turkish Classical Music," i.e., Western classical music played in Turkey (Türk Klâsik Müziği), and "Classical Turkish Music," i.e., Ottoman court music played today in Turkey (Klâsik Türk Mûsîkîsi). This is now standard terminology in discussing Turkish music today. Neyzenhasan ( talk) 19:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think that we should mention this song in the article because it is a very old and clearly famous Turku (ballad) and the roots of it goes back to time of the Ottoman Empire. It is also famous in other countries and has even been sung by Eartha Kitt. It would also be great if we could make an audio sample! can anybody please make one as i am not sure how to upload music onto wikipedia or what the copyrights would be Justinz84 ( talk) 20:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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Greek music ism NOT a form of turkish music. Original greek music is this: " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BSYCUX6ss&feature=related" which was evolutionized to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4BSYCUX6ss&feature=related
So please do not evaluate greek music according to all those "turkish rooted" or "turkish favour" people in greece who try to "sell" those types of music similar to yours as greek.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.171.240.100 ( talk) 08:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
1.1 musical instruments
kanun link is wrong... I would correct it but I dont know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.100.118.176 ( talk) 21:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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I see Procedia is used as a source in one passage. This possible predatory journal has been shut down due to poor academic practices, so it's worth double checking the content of that paper. Nemo 22:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)