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"By the 1980s, popular folk-oriented groups had arisen. The Cossack Kazachy Krug and Pesen Zemli became most popular. A musical underground (magnitizdat)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.137.117 ( talk) 23:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is there nothing in this article on Russian Orthodox Church music? I am no expert on the subject, but I do own several CDs and have visited some the Solovki Monastery in Russia, and church music is a very significant part of Russia's musical history. All I really know is that it seems like it was influenced by Byzantine chants (before Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453, that is, and the center of the Eastern Orthodox branch of Christianity moved to Moscow). One would think from reading this article that Russia's musical history began in the 19th century. This needs to be addressed, but as I said I'm not an expert. Can anyone more knowledgeable add something? Esn 04:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Shanson is one of our most celebrated music genres, Krug, Nagovitsin, Шелег don't even get a mention. A section should be added explaing shanson its meaning and popularity and even its comparisons to the wests rap music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.14.153.135 ( talk) 00:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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My english is bad, but I want to talk you this: Zolotoe Koltso - is a Pop-Folk band, not Folk-Rock!!! Kalinov Most is one of most important Folk-Rock Band, but I don't see It in article.=((( Zvuki Mu - is a Rock Band, not Electronic, and It was in USSR. Only. Thank you for read this.=))) Your friend from Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.51.5.184 ( talk) 15:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I have re-inserted picture of Sofia Rotaru as Sofia Rotaru was the most popular Russian artist in 2000's, has topped last year the Moscow airplay with her new song, and is being called in Russia as the Queen of the Russian Pop scene.
She is named the Queen of Pop Music in Russia and countries of the former USSR:
http://rus.postimees.ee/100807/glavnaja/estonija/20654.php ,
http://legendyretrofm.ru/press/2009/89 .....
Rotaru has been performing for more than 40 years. According to the polls, she is the most popular pop artist in Russia:
http://rotarusofia.ru/news/events/event-7-dne.htm ,
http://www.russianamerica.com/common/arc/story.php/241372?id_cr=104 ,
http://romir.ru/en/news/res_results/68.html http://www.yalta-gs.gov.ua/en/news/detail.php?ID=1944
Rotaru topped the Moscow airplay with "Ya nazovu planetu imenem tvoim" in 2008:
http://www.rma.ru/show/news895.html;30
Rotaru has been named in 2008 the Ukrainian Show Queen as well:
http://show.oboz.ua/article/8632.htm
-- Rubikonchik ( talk) 10:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
A section on early history is needed. Something about which instruments were used in Kievan Rus, Muscovy ( Gusli, Svirel, Gudok for example), about Skomorokhs, as well as about church music, and bells. Garret Beaumain ( talk) 20:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
The rest I have saved. Garret Beaumain ( talk) 18:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The early period material is in Zguta's book on Skoromokhy. I also have a number of other books and this can be added, although much of the information is not very accurate from a Western perspective.
-- Bandurist ( talk) 16:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Your English is very good, but it does contain "kalky" from Russian in some of the phrases and some Russian constructions that are atypical. I however, had some typos, main because of the interruptions I had during my writing. I will endeavour to check the typing before posting. Let us work toward consensus. My interests are in Early Russian music and also folk music, particularly organology. I am being pressured by Prof. Igor Matsiyevsky to come come to Piter to do defend a post-doctoral dissertation on ergo-organology there. -- Bandurist ( talk) 19:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
If my Russian was as good as you English I would be very happy. Do you have the 6 volume Russian Music Encyclopedia? I picked up the 6 set on New York for $750 about 10 years ago. A bit pricey, but I had to have it.-- Bandurist ( talk) 00:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The quantity of musical projects is enormous in all developed countries, this isn't anything exclusive to Russia worth noting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.243.64 ( talk) 03:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't you think that in the soviet era there should be a mention of the Red Army Choir? or let's say Alexandrov Ensemble? I think it is an essential part of Russian music, especially in the period of world war II. Moreover the band is still active and it is well known all over the world with songs like Katyusha, Kalinka and polyushko pole. Thank you for the article. Iyad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.62.160.58 ( talk) 21:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that I, hopefully, have your attention ...
I had hoped to link this article to Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky and The Five, an FA which I recently expanded to give a fuller explanation of the Western vs. Slavic argument prevalent in 19th century Russian arts. This expansion necessitated considerable research and my sources, including several authors in the 2001 edition of the New Grove, are solid. I was therefore surprised, horrified and embarrassed in reading this article. Much of the info was inaccurate, at least in the section on 18th and 19th century classical music, the language un-encyclopedic and flowery. The article did not even have a proper bibliography. And the powers that be are attempting to market Wikipedia more aggressively to institutes of higher learning?! No wonder college instructors routinely tell their students not to use Wikipedia for essays and research projects.
Being a firm believer in "If you don't like something on Wikipedia, fix it because that's one reason anybody is allowed to edit it," I have updated some of the info in 18th/19th classical music, added sources from PIT & The Five and created a bibliography. However, if the rest of the article is in as sad a shape as the section on which I worked, it needs a thorough and complete overhaul. Because of my commitment to revising Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky and its related articles, I do not have the time to do so at this juncture. Nevertheless, I wanted to say something in hope that someone else would pick up from where I left off. Jonyungk ( talk) 17:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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If the bands are so underground that there is no way to verify their existence with a link to a reputable source, then are they noteworthy enough to mention?
70.185.182.69 ( talk) 21:54, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed the newly added section called Music Under Stalin: Music and Politics During Wartime Russia.
First, it srongly shifts the balance of the article. It is a section that covers only the 1940s music of Prokofiev and Shostakovich, and it was as large as the whole XVIII and XIX century section. What was an overview of Russia's music history became an article on Soviet nationalism in classical music.
Second, it is written as a personal essay rather than encylopedian article, with sentences like '"Shostakovich soon became the timid, sensitive, creative face of USSR that the United States was looking for". It deals mostly with politics, it only covers a small part of Soviet music and is heavily centered around only two composers - Shostakovich and Prokofiev. It only cites sources for trivial facts like "Between the years 1941 and 1945 over thirty symphonies were completed".
Thirdly, it was misplaced. It was inserted without any respect to article's structure and to the others' contributions. It was placed just below the paragraph on Soviet electronic music that describes the 1950s and 1960s, and right above the 1970s pop music, without any separation. And the essay repeats many facts already said in the article, such as the ban of 'Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District'.
Such texts, if they fit Wikipedia at all, should go to separate pages or less general articles, such as " classical music in the Soviet Union". Garret Beaumain ( talk) 10:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
It links to Russian pop, but this is a page about general Russian music. -- 2.245.147.180 ( talk) 18:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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"By the 1980s, popular folk-oriented groups had arisen. The Cossack Kazachy Krug and Pesen Zemli became most popular. A musical underground (magnitizdat)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.137.117 ( talk) 23:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is there nothing in this article on Russian Orthodox Church music? I am no expert on the subject, but I do own several CDs and have visited some the Solovki Monastery in Russia, and church music is a very significant part of Russia's musical history. All I really know is that it seems like it was influenced by Byzantine chants (before Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453, that is, and the center of the Eastern Orthodox branch of Christianity moved to Moscow). One would think from reading this article that Russia's musical history began in the 19th century. This needs to be addressed, but as I said I'm not an expert. Can anyone more knowledgeable add something? Esn 04:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Shanson is one of our most celebrated music genres, Krug, Nagovitsin, Шелег don't even get a mention. A section should be added explaing shanson its meaning and popularity and even its comparisons to the wests rap music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.14.153.135 ( talk) 00:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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My english is bad, but I want to talk you this: Zolotoe Koltso - is a Pop-Folk band, not Folk-Rock!!! Kalinov Most is one of most important Folk-Rock Band, but I don't see It in article.=((( Zvuki Mu - is a Rock Band, not Electronic, and It was in USSR. Only. Thank you for read this.=))) Your friend from Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.51.5.184 ( talk) 15:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I have re-inserted picture of Sofia Rotaru as Sofia Rotaru was the most popular Russian artist in 2000's, has topped last year the Moscow airplay with her new song, and is being called in Russia as the Queen of the Russian Pop scene.
She is named the Queen of Pop Music in Russia and countries of the former USSR:
http://rus.postimees.ee/100807/glavnaja/estonija/20654.php ,
http://legendyretrofm.ru/press/2009/89 .....
Rotaru has been performing for more than 40 years. According to the polls, she is the most popular pop artist in Russia:
http://rotarusofia.ru/news/events/event-7-dne.htm ,
http://www.russianamerica.com/common/arc/story.php/241372?id_cr=104 ,
http://romir.ru/en/news/res_results/68.html http://www.yalta-gs.gov.ua/en/news/detail.php?ID=1944
Rotaru topped the Moscow airplay with "Ya nazovu planetu imenem tvoim" in 2008:
http://www.rma.ru/show/news895.html;30
Rotaru has been named in 2008 the Ukrainian Show Queen as well:
http://show.oboz.ua/article/8632.htm
-- Rubikonchik ( talk) 10:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
A section on early history is needed. Something about which instruments were used in Kievan Rus, Muscovy ( Gusli, Svirel, Gudok for example), about Skomorokhs, as well as about church music, and bells. Garret Beaumain ( talk) 20:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
The rest I have saved. Garret Beaumain ( talk) 18:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The early period material is in Zguta's book on Skoromokhy. I also have a number of other books and this can be added, although much of the information is not very accurate from a Western perspective.
-- Bandurist ( talk) 16:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Your English is very good, but it does contain "kalky" from Russian in some of the phrases and some Russian constructions that are atypical. I however, had some typos, main because of the interruptions I had during my writing. I will endeavour to check the typing before posting. Let us work toward consensus. My interests are in Early Russian music and also folk music, particularly organology. I am being pressured by Prof. Igor Matsiyevsky to come come to Piter to do defend a post-doctoral dissertation on ergo-organology there. -- Bandurist ( talk) 19:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
If my Russian was as good as you English I would be very happy. Do you have the 6 volume Russian Music Encyclopedia? I picked up the 6 set on New York for $750 about 10 years ago. A bit pricey, but I had to have it.-- Bandurist ( talk) 00:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The quantity of musical projects is enormous in all developed countries, this isn't anything exclusive to Russia worth noting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.243.64 ( talk) 03:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't you think that in the soviet era there should be a mention of the Red Army Choir? or let's say Alexandrov Ensemble? I think it is an essential part of Russian music, especially in the period of world war II. Moreover the band is still active and it is well known all over the world with songs like Katyusha, Kalinka and polyushko pole. Thank you for the article. Iyad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.62.160.58 ( talk) 21:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that I, hopefully, have your attention ...
I had hoped to link this article to Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky and The Five, an FA which I recently expanded to give a fuller explanation of the Western vs. Slavic argument prevalent in 19th century Russian arts. This expansion necessitated considerable research and my sources, including several authors in the 2001 edition of the New Grove, are solid. I was therefore surprised, horrified and embarrassed in reading this article. Much of the info was inaccurate, at least in the section on 18th and 19th century classical music, the language un-encyclopedic and flowery. The article did not even have a proper bibliography. And the powers that be are attempting to market Wikipedia more aggressively to institutes of higher learning?! No wonder college instructors routinely tell their students not to use Wikipedia for essays and research projects.
Being a firm believer in "If you don't like something on Wikipedia, fix it because that's one reason anybody is allowed to edit it," I have updated some of the info in 18th/19th classical music, added sources from PIT & The Five and created a bibliography. However, if the rest of the article is in as sad a shape as the section on which I worked, it needs a thorough and complete overhaul. Because of my commitment to revising Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky and its related articles, I do not have the time to do so at this juncture. Nevertheless, I wanted to say something in hope that someone else would pick up from where I left off. Jonyungk ( talk) 17:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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If the bands are so underground that there is no way to verify their existence with a link to a reputable source, then are they noteworthy enough to mention?
70.185.182.69 ( talk) 21:54, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed the newly added section called Music Under Stalin: Music and Politics During Wartime Russia.
First, it srongly shifts the balance of the article. It is a section that covers only the 1940s music of Prokofiev and Shostakovich, and it was as large as the whole XVIII and XIX century section. What was an overview of Russia's music history became an article on Soviet nationalism in classical music.
Second, it is written as a personal essay rather than encylopedian article, with sentences like '"Shostakovich soon became the timid, sensitive, creative face of USSR that the United States was looking for". It deals mostly with politics, it only covers a small part of Soviet music and is heavily centered around only two composers - Shostakovich and Prokofiev. It only cites sources for trivial facts like "Between the years 1941 and 1945 over thirty symphonies were completed".
Thirdly, it was misplaced. It was inserted without any respect to article's structure and to the others' contributions. It was placed just below the paragraph on Soviet electronic music that describes the 1950s and 1960s, and right above the 1970s pop music, without any separation. And the essay repeats many facts already said in the article, such as the ban of 'Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District'.
Such texts, if they fit Wikipedia at all, should go to separate pages or less general articles, such as " classical music in the Soviet Union". Garret Beaumain ( talk) 10:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
It links to Russian pop, but this is a page about general Russian music. -- 2.245.147.180 ( talk) 18:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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