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Ambient Music is an instrumental, <not rhythmic and not melodic> musical form that uses techniques and styles of electronic music, minimalistic acoustic music, and often concrete (sampled) music; it aims to get an "atmospheric environment", a sort of sonic carpet, better known as soundscape, that can merge with environmental noises or that can be listened as a form of ambience soundtrack. Therefore, the so called Ambient Techno and Ambient House have nothing to do with Ambient Music. Actually, those styles are within the field of "Techno" dance music. Nevertheless, many works by KLF, The Orb, Aphex Twin and others are "pure electronic music" with no beats and drums, and lpokojoijiuhigyt;lmpobnrjpoghkerpgoke'rpgkporegkpojkgintrhgonrthknlhknmglkhnhgp[jy4lrtyjopirtated form of techno, but nothing more. Sorry if that may annoy someone... Electronica is a non-sense, meaningless word, used only with regard to modern works that mix many different styles. The term "New Age" has a bit more sense, at least New Age artists and works seem to share the same purpose, that is to chill out the listener and help spiritual meditation. For this reason, New Age is hated both by religious fundamentalists ("New Age is a plan of the Anti-Christ") and by those musicians and academics that reject such kinda "yoga tool" use of music. Dr. Who 23:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Opera isn't musical form. It is genre. I think that ambient music is rather genre, because forms of ambient is a lot of, but there is full of common composition traits, just from this reason this is genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zdephinio ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The article should give enough coverage of different methods for "partitioning" music into many genres. Dr. Who 21:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
re: One example is Led Zeppelin, which could be called heavy metal, hard rock, classic rock, folk, or blues, depending on one's interpretation.
This quote points out a fairly deep issue with "genre". At the time it was being created, (nearly) no one thought of themselves as making "Classic Rock", partly because "Classic Rock" mainly means "old rock". At that time, the genre didn't exist for musicians to adhere to or reject, whereas most everyone who has recorded, say, reggae or blues, knew quite well at the time what they were doing, and what the rules were for their style - even if they were selfconsciously trying to be innovators. And the ones who DID think of themselves as making classic rock were looking to past styles, such as rockabilly, the "Sun Records" sound, Bakersfield country, or some other style. ex. Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Band.
Led Zeppelin is a prime example of this - in their time, they (and their audience, and many critics) considered themselves as innovative, building something entirely new on the foundations of rock and blues (and as Jimmy Page later called his influences, "CIA" music, for Celtic/Indian/Arabic. There's an uncredited Wikipedia reference to the term here.
I would also venture to disagree with the above in that very few would consider Led Zeppelin's entire body of work blues or folk, though both influences are apparent and acknowledged. Blues-rock, on the other hand, isn't really considered a genre now, but would fairly accurately, though narrowly, describe what they thought they were doing at the time.
A question to contemplate - should the notion of genre include artists who acquired a genre posthumously, so to speak, or should it apply to the artist's intentions and actions, and the public's perceptions, at the time they made the music?
24.17.180.126 20:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No. It's actually a radio format. American radio invented the format when certain stations stopped playing less and less new music in the late 70s/early 80s. In discussion of musical genre the term has no meaning. This is a common misunderstanding. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Most of progressive rock listeners defines progressive rock not in the rock genre, or only in that. It often is rock, but sometimes maybe not at all. Jazz, classical, folk and some avant-garde for example. Though genres are always obscure.
Progressive rock is separate thing. And I can't halp you if you think The Who, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd are the progressive rock. They aren't.
-- Dynamic Progressive Turbulence Creator 12:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Led Zeppelin is just no...The Who had some albums that suggested Prog Rock, but where mostly just Hard Rock...but Pink Floyd is the popular definition of Progressive Rock. I don't even think I should need to back that up here. The jazz and classical influences might not be as pronounced as other prog bands, but they are certainly there and the band obviously uses prog rock song structures. marnues ( talk) 19:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Prog is a rock genre that emerged from psychedelic rock. While influenced at times by jazz, classical music, and so on, it's still firmly a rock genre. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Let's see : fr:fusion de genres musicaux Contact me : fr:Utilisateur:Michel_BUZE
194.2.163.124 09:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[this section has been moved into proper chronological sequence from where it was entered at the top of the page]
Would it be ridiculous to suggest a section for the six major electronic dance music genres? I might be alone in this belief, but I think music is divided into two main genres: acoustic and electronic. If you listen to electronic music, it's clear that the differences between its main genres are just as wide - if not wider - than the differences between the better-known genres ofm usic such as jazz, country, rock, etc. Trance music is extremely notable as of late, and probably moreso than the other main EDM genres. Trance gets mainstream radio play - Castles in the Sky, We're in Heaven, Everytime we Touch, etc., and is probably better known than other qualified genres like Spoken Word. House music is also pretty popular. Would it be alright if I added sections for the main EDM genres (trance, techno, industrial, house, hardcore, jungle), and if not, trance and house? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.243.14.122 ( talk) 13:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
The line between electronic and acoustic is very blurry. How do you classify a band that uses electronically driven guitars and mics the drums and singer? Since the instruments can be done acoustically, I assume you would classify them that way. However, what about all the goth rock bands that use synths but mix in guitars. Or electronic dance music with clean vocals. Now certainly I classify electronica music in its own genre, but I do not find a clean distinction between it and acoustic material. Nor do I find that all digitally driven music is in the electronica genre. Brian Eno's pure ambient works are one of those as I find Ambient to be its own genre separate from all others. It is also pretty much the extreme opposite of eletronica dance music. marnues ( talk) 19:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I tagged tis article cause i noticed that almost all the genres listed are from the united states,a clear example is country Music:Country music is a folk music genre of the US but is listed with is own section in an article that includes a Classical music section wich is a trully universal genre;while music of latin america or Africa are all represented in a section when they consist of a lot of genres each as different of each other as is Bluess from Soul.I could list you at least 20 genres of music of south america yet none have a section here.The article looks more of a chart of music in some record store in the US than a serious categorization of music on a worlwide scale.-- Andres rojas22 18:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
in my textbook, musical style & musical genre are different stuffs. If this is right, in the artile, their meanings and the difference should be clarified. Jackzhp 04:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree! A piece of music can obviously contain different musical styles, but it is far less obvious that it also could be said to contain or belong to different genres.
WikiPBia (
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12:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Could this be the difference, that musical style applies to parts of the music but genre applies to the whole?
I will do some research what the music theorists say...
WikiPBia (
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12:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If we take one rather wellknown example: I think one could easily say that the Beatles had many different styles (especially in different periods), but one would hesitate to say that the covered many different genres. WikiPBia ( talk) 12:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If I am interpreting you correctly you would define 'style' from a purely musical point of view, but 'genre' you would define in a more sociological manner identifiying subcultures of the music society? WikiPBia ( talk) 19:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all. I've nomination fusion (music) to be merged into this page. The reason for this is that all genres are either Traditional music, or fusion of some type. Rock music is a fusion. Hip-hop is a fusion. (European) Classical music is a fusion. In order to avoid duplication, fusion (music) should be merged here.
-- TimNelson 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I recommend we have a List of music genres which would replace the Categorization section of this article; there are too many genres to cover all of them in the style we've covered the ones here. I recommend that this article instead be used for topics such as the "Arguments" section, the proposed merge of the "Fusion" page, the characteristics that one uses to define a genre and distinguish it from other genres. I'd also recommend a basic coverage of the three major types of music, Art music, Traditional music, and Popular music (all music falls into one of the above three categories).
-- TimNelson 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim - I see you started making the changes. Looks good. I archived the long-out-of-date talk page on List of music genres and updated the Template:Western music genres footer info-box to link it to that page now in addition to the Music genre article. The template I think might need further updating, to link to the divisions of music forms you're adding. I'm not doing that now though because I don't want to risk linking to an article that doesn't exist yet or cause an edit conflict collision in the edits you're doing.
I was also going to move/merge the fusion article over to this page, but I saw you added a section heading, so I'll stay out of your way on that too. Good work on the refactoring, this is a big improvement. -- Parzival418 Hello 03:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that in the section defining Art music, we include along with Jazz certain elements of Electronic music (excluding the popular music uses of that term) and Experimental music.
Comments are welcome... -- Parzival418 Hello 04:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
There has been some mislabeling of pop singers as being classical or operatic, and I'd like to propose a definition to place in the article:
It takes special voices and training to perform classical music in its intended environment, including having a robust enough voice to fill the venue with accompaniment, and the ability to modulate vocal color and dynamics with the accompaniment. This is what a classical singer does.
Singers who do not perform this music in these venues (and without amplification) can be said to sing crossover classical music, but should not be called classical or operatic singers. (Studio recordings are also a form of miked/amplified singing.) This includes singers like Bocelli, Jenkins, Brightman, Church etc.
--
Operalala
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17:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
There has been dispute on another page about the definition of "Music Genre". By placing (Peter van der Merwe) as the only resource on the page, it heavily pushes the article toward his POV. As I am involved in a dispute on another page I wanted to provide some resources and request this page be researched and updated.
"A genre is a set of rules for generating musical works." ... "Genres are, however, more intersubjective than subjective phenomena. In each temporal and spacial context, there are certain genre definitions that are relevant and used by the most important groups of actors in the musical field: musicians, producers, marketers and audiences." Fornas, Johan The future of rock: discourses that struggle to define a genre
The following article is probably the best source I've read about style and genre. The use of "genre" comes from journalists with "film, cultural, and literary studies" backgrounds. (This is why "classical" or "art" music is described in "movements," while "popular" music is described in genres). Style is the type of sound, genre takes other factors into account such as lyrics and subject matter. Categorical Conventions in Music Discourse: Style and Genre
These sources have abstracts that don't tell us anything definitive; but access to the entire article may be useful - [1] [2] [3]
Denaar 16:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
What's the problem? Find some sources and some information to this or other articles. Wikipedia may not cite itself. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
If "no rock form is real pure art music)" what about art rock? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a heavy pro-classical bias to this article. I just deleted a bit saying that art/classical music is synonymous with 'serious music.' Also, the definition of popular music given is awful, totally excluding most forms of Heavy metal, electronic music and quite a bit of punk rock. Zazaban ( talk) 06:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
this seems as good a place as any to ask this- no band/album/or song page list the genre, but when you edit it the genre is filled out in the info box. what up? ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 19:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, this is something I have noticed recently ... What happened? Ostalocutanje ( talk)
I've noticed it too because it's how I used to categorize my music, and now all of a sudden nothing has the genre listed anymore. I hope this gets fixed! 76.95.58.104 ( talk) 07:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed it too, but I think it's getting better. I'm slowly starting to see genres coming back on pages. All you really have to do, though, is go to edit this page, not make any changes, and click save page. Tell me how it works out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigUns ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
A music genre is a categorical and typological construct that identifies musical and sexually attractive sounds as belonging to a particular category and type of music that can be distinguished from other types of music.
What?! Can anyone explain what sexual attraction has to do with defining a musical genre? If not, this bit should be removed post-haste. Severoon ( talk) 23:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
A music genre is a categorical and typological construct that identifies musical sounds as belonging to a particular category and type of music that can be distinguished from other types of music.
Obviously there is overlap, and sometimes the blur between dichotomous genres is too thick to make any judgment. Please keep it real here. Its like rap and hip-hop. Not everything in your world is like country or rock&roll. In some cultures, the barrier between genres isn't so well fit yo cookie-cutter moldlines or expectations.
peace out W to the pizzle
~^4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.41.151.165 ( talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
So... what exactly is a "music genre"? Even as an experienced musician, I find this article confusing: we get several completely contradictory statements in the lead and no actual answer. The following text that addresses the issue of categorisation is no more helpful. I note the List of music genres redirects to List of music styles. I guess some gave up trying to figure it all out! -- Jubilee ♫ clipman 23:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC) PS, don't ask me: I haven't a clue!
There is nothing in this article referring to how some songs say, 'single' as the genre. OzzyOzrock ( talk) 07:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
That'll be because you downloaded your music from Limewire or something. 58.161.121.200 ( talk) 07:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I have added some means of categorization, i.e. 'time period' and 'sociological function', which I think should be included for the sake of completeness. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 09:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I like the header text from List of music styles; it states clearly the often arbitrary categorizations behind different genres. I have added it to the present article after some minor revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiPBia ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I have moved the paragraph on fusion to a completely new section which I labelled 'The emerge of new genres' (maybe it should be just 'Emerge of new genres'!?), and indicated what I think need further expansion and explanation. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 11:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Would it be informative or trivial to give examples of genre categorizations, e.g. the genres from the billboard chart? We have the List of music genres but it is way to long to grasp. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 08:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I am proposing a split of this article, into Music genre (popular) and Music genre (classical). There are two definitions of genre in music that are significantly at odds with each other. In music scholarship, the term refers to a type of composition, whereas in popular usage it is more or less synonymous with "style" or "trend" (or often more exactly "major style group"). An article on the classical definition should be easy to do without conflict, if it is an independent article, as within academia this is not a controversial topic. The popular definition can be dealt with on another page, and concerned editors can work out there differences there. BassHistory ( talk) 07:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The main thing is that there needs to be a dedicated article on the "proper" definition. I guess "Genre in Western Classical Music" would be a good title, even though this method of classification isn't really limited to classical music. As for Wikipedia's current use of genre: couldn't all those lists simply be changed from "List of genres in music" to "List of styles of music," as this is what the lists actually are? I mean, if there was an article entitled " Nucular power," wouldn't we change it? BassHistory ( talk) 14:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Needs hell of a lot of work this article. Its two main sections are traditional and metal music? Needs to be written from the beggining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartacus Marat ( talk • contribs) 21:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Emergence of new genres and subgenres"
So the hard work of removing superfluous information on this article is going back into reverse and we are going to have sections on individual genres. There are over a thousand genres that have articles on Wikipedia, if we globalise the article I guess there are still about a hundred that might be considered as significant as the ones listed here. Shall I add them or does someone else want to start? Just because it is sourced (and not very well sourced by the way) doesn't mean it has to be here. This [4] (reverted here [5]) seems clearly to be WP:undue to me, as we already have articles that list genres and subgenres, whereas this article should provide definitions and a guide to major scholarship on the topic. List of music genres already does the job of what has now been added to this article.-- SabreBD ( talk) 22:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Arkan (dance) was tagged with Template:music-genre-stub. I've removed the tag, since a folk dance or its music is no more a genre than a page is a book. -- Thnidu ( talk) 18:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Category:Musical subgenres by genre has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. CN1 ( talk) 13:25, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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Ambient Music is an instrumental, <not rhythmic and not melodic> musical form that uses techniques and styles of electronic music, minimalistic acoustic music, and often concrete (sampled) music; it aims to get an "atmospheric environment", a sort of sonic carpet, better known as soundscape, that can merge with environmental noises or that can be listened as a form of ambience soundtrack. Therefore, the so called Ambient Techno and Ambient House have nothing to do with Ambient Music. Actually, those styles are within the field of "Techno" dance music. Nevertheless, many works by KLF, The Orb, Aphex Twin and others are "pure electronic music" with no beats and drums, and lpokojoijiuhigyt;lmpobnrjpoghkerpgoke'rpgkporegkpojkgintrhgonrthknlhknmglkhnhgp[jy4lrtyjopirtated form of techno, but nothing more. Sorry if that may annoy someone... Electronica is a non-sense, meaningless word, used only with regard to modern works that mix many different styles. The term "New Age" has a bit more sense, at least New Age artists and works seem to share the same purpose, that is to chill out the listener and help spiritual meditation. For this reason, New Age is hated both by religious fundamentalists ("New Age is a plan of the Anti-Christ") and by those musicians and academics that reject such kinda "yoga tool" use of music. Dr. Who 23:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Opera isn't musical form. It is genre. I think that ambient music is rather genre, because forms of ambient is a lot of, but there is full of common composition traits, just from this reason this is genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zdephinio ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
The article should give enough coverage of different methods for "partitioning" music into many genres. Dr. Who 21:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
re: One example is Led Zeppelin, which could be called heavy metal, hard rock, classic rock, folk, or blues, depending on one's interpretation.
This quote points out a fairly deep issue with "genre". At the time it was being created, (nearly) no one thought of themselves as making "Classic Rock", partly because "Classic Rock" mainly means "old rock". At that time, the genre didn't exist for musicians to adhere to or reject, whereas most everyone who has recorded, say, reggae or blues, knew quite well at the time what they were doing, and what the rules were for their style - even if they were selfconsciously trying to be innovators. And the ones who DID think of themselves as making classic rock were looking to past styles, such as rockabilly, the "Sun Records" sound, Bakersfield country, or some other style. ex. Creedence Clearwater Revival, the Band.
Led Zeppelin is a prime example of this - in their time, they (and their audience, and many critics) considered themselves as innovative, building something entirely new on the foundations of rock and blues (and as Jimmy Page later called his influences, "CIA" music, for Celtic/Indian/Arabic. There's an uncredited Wikipedia reference to the term here.
I would also venture to disagree with the above in that very few would consider Led Zeppelin's entire body of work blues or folk, though both influences are apparent and acknowledged. Blues-rock, on the other hand, isn't really considered a genre now, but would fairly accurately, though narrowly, describe what they thought they were doing at the time.
A question to contemplate - should the notion of genre include artists who acquired a genre posthumously, so to speak, or should it apply to the artist's intentions and actions, and the public's perceptions, at the time they made the music?
24.17.180.126 20:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No. It's actually a radio format. American radio invented the format when certain stations stopped playing less and less new music in the late 70s/early 80s. In discussion of musical genre the term has no meaning. This is a common misunderstanding. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Most of progressive rock listeners defines progressive rock not in the rock genre, or only in that. It often is rock, but sometimes maybe not at all. Jazz, classical, folk and some avant-garde for example. Though genres are always obscure.
Progressive rock is separate thing. And I can't halp you if you think The Who, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd are the progressive rock. They aren't.
-- Dynamic Progressive Turbulence Creator 12:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Led Zeppelin is just no...The Who had some albums that suggested Prog Rock, but where mostly just Hard Rock...but Pink Floyd is the popular definition of Progressive Rock. I don't even think I should need to back that up here. The jazz and classical influences might not be as pronounced as other prog bands, but they are certainly there and the band obviously uses prog rock song structures. marnues ( talk) 19:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Prog is a rock genre that emerged from psychedelic rock. While influenced at times by jazz, classical music, and so on, it's still firmly a rock genre. WesleyDodds ( talk) 22:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Let's see : fr:fusion de genres musicaux Contact me : fr:Utilisateur:Michel_BUZE
194.2.163.124 09:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[this section has been moved into proper chronological sequence from where it was entered at the top of the page]
Would it be ridiculous to suggest a section for the six major electronic dance music genres? I might be alone in this belief, but I think music is divided into two main genres: acoustic and electronic. If you listen to electronic music, it's clear that the differences between its main genres are just as wide - if not wider - than the differences between the better-known genres ofm usic such as jazz, country, rock, etc. Trance music is extremely notable as of late, and probably moreso than the other main EDM genres. Trance gets mainstream radio play - Castles in the Sky, We're in Heaven, Everytime we Touch, etc., and is probably better known than other qualified genres like Spoken Word. House music is also pretty popular. Would it be alright if I added sections for the main EDM genres (trance, techno, industrial, house, hardcore, jungle), and if not, trance and house? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.243.14.122 ( talk) 13:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
The line between electronic and acoustic is very blurry. How do you classify a band that uses electronically driven guitars and mics the drums and singer? Since the instruments can be done acoustically, I assume you would classify them that way. However, what about all the goth rock bands that use synths but mix in guitars. Or electronic dance music with clean vocals. Now certainly I classify electronica music in its own genre, but I do not find a clean distinction between it and acoustic material. Nor do I find that all digitally driven music is in the electronica genre. Brian Eno's pure ambient works are one of those as I find Ambient to be its own genre separate from all others. It is also pretty much the extreme opposite of eletronica dance music. marnues ( talk) 19:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I tagged tis article cause i noticed that almost all the genres listed are from the united states,a clear example is country Music:Country music is a folk music genre of the US but is listed with is own section in an article that includes a Classical music section wich is a trully universal genre;while music of latin america or Africa are all represented in a section when they consist of a lot of genres each as different of each other as is Bluess from Soul.I could list you at least 20 genres of music of south america yet none have a section here.The article looks more of a chart of music in some record store in the US than a serious categorization of music on a worlwide scale.-- Andres rojas22 18:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
in my textbook, musical style & musical genre are different stuffs. If this is right, in the artile, their meanings and the difference should be clarified. Jackzhp 04:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree! A piece of music can obviously contain different musical styles, but it is far less obvious that it also could be said to contain or belong to different genres.
WikiPBia (
talk)
12:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Could this be the difference, that musical style applies to parts of the music but genre applies to the whole?
I will do some research what the music theorists say...
WikiPBia (
talk)
12:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If we take one rather wellknown example: I think one could easily say that the Beatles had many different styles (especially in different periods), but one would hesitate to say that the covered many different genres. WikiPBia ( talk) 12:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If I am interpreting you correctly you would define 'style' from a purely musical point of view, but 'genre' you would define in a more sociological manner identifiying subcultures of the music society? WikiPBia ( talk) 19:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all. I've nomination fusion (music) to be merged into this page. The reason for this is that all genres are either Traditional music, or fusion of some type. Rock music is a fusion. Hip-hop is a fusion. (European) Classical music is a fusion. In order to avoid duplication, fusion (music) should be merged here.
-- TimNelson 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I recommend we have a List of music genres which would replace the Categorization section of this article; there are too many genres to cover all of them in the style we've covered the ones here. I recommend that this article instead be used for topics such as the "Arguments" section, the proposed merge of the "Fusion" page, the characteristics that one uses to define a genre and distinguish it from other genres. I'd also recommend a basic coverage of the three major types of music, Art music, Traditional music, and Popular music (all music falls into one of the above three categories).
-- TimNelson 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim - I see you started making the changes. Looks good. I archived the long-out-of-date talk page on List of music genres and updated the Template:Western music genres footer info-box to link it to that page now in addition to the Music genre article. The template I think might need further updating, to link to the divisions of music forms you're adding. I'm not doing that now though because I don't want to risk linking to an article that doesn't exist yet or cause an edit conflict collision in the edits you're doing.
I was also going to move/merge the fusion article over to this page, but I saw you added a section heading, so I'll stay out of your way on that too. Good work on the refactoring, this is a big improvement. -- Parzival418 Hello 03:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that in the section defining Art music, we include along with Jazz certain elements of Electronic music (excluding the popular music uses of that term) and Experimental music.
Comments are welcome... -- Parzival418 Hello 04:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
There has been some mislabeling of pop singers as being classical or operatic, and I'd like to propose a definition to place in the article:
It takes special voices and training to perform classical music in its intended environment, including having a robust enough voice to fill the venue with accompaniment, and the ability to modulate vocal color and dynamics with the accompaniment. This is what a classical singer does.
Singers who do not perform this music in these venues (and without amplification) can be said to sing crossover classical music, but should not be called classical or operatic singers. (Studio recordings are also a form of miked/amplified singing.) This includes singers like Bocelli, Jenkins, Brightman, Church etc.
--
Operalala
talk
17:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
There has been dispute on another page about the definition of "Music Genre". By placing (Peter van der Merwe) as the only resource on the page, it heavily pushes the article toward his POV. As I am involved in a dispute on another page I wanted to provide some resources and request this page be researched and updated.
"A genre is a set of rules for generating musical works." ... "Genres are, however, more intersubjective than subjective phenomena. In each temporal and spacial context, there are certain genre definitions that are relevant and used by the most important groups of actors in the musical field: musicians, producers, marketers and audiences." Fornas, Johan The future of rock: discourses that struggle to define a genre
The following article is probably the best source I've read about style and genre. The use of "genre" comes from journalists with "film, cultural, and literary studies" backgrounds. (This is why "classical" or "art" music is described in "movements," while "popular" music is described in genres). Style is the type of sound, genre takes other factors into account such as lyrics and subject matter. Categorical Conventions in Music Discourse: Style and Genre
These sources have abstracts that don't tell us anything definitive; but access to the entire article may be useful - [1] [2] [3]
Denaar 16:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
What's the problem? Find some sources and some information to this or other articles. Wikipedia may not cite itself. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
If "no rock form is real pure art music)" what about art rock? Hyacinth ( talk) 00:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a heavy pro-classical bias to this article. I just deleted a bit saying that art/classical music is synonymous with 'serious music.' Also, the definition of popular music given is awful, totally excluding most forms of Heavy metal, electronic music and quite a bit of punk rock. Zazaban ( talk) 06:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
this seems as good a place as any to ask this- no band/album/or song page list the genre, but when you edit it the genre is filled out in the info box. what up? ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 19:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, this is something I have noticed recently ... What happened? Ostalocutanje ( talk)
I've noticed it too because it's how I used to categorize my music, and now all of a sudden nothing has the genre listed anymore. I hope this gets fixed! 76.95.58.104 ( talk) 07:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed it too, but I think it's getting better. I'm slowly starting to see genres coming back on pages. All you really have to do, though, is go to edit this page, not make any changes, and click save page. Tell me how it works out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigUns ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
A music genre is a categorical and typological construct that identifies musical and sexually attractive sounds as belonging to a particular category and type of music that can be distinguished from other types of music.
What?! Can anyone explain what sexual attraction has to do with defining a musical genre? If not, this bit should be removed post-haste. Severoon ( talk) 23:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
A music genre is a categorical and typological construct that identifies musical sounds as belonging to a particular category and type of music that can be distinguished from other types of music.
Obviously there is overlap, and sometimes the blur between dichotomous genres is too thick to make any judgment. Please keep it real here. Its like rap and hip-hop. Not everything in your world is like country or rock&roll. In some cultures, the barrier between genres isn't so well fit yo cookie-cutter moldlines or expectations.
peace out W to the pizzle
~^4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.41.151.165 ( talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
So... what exactly is a "music genre"? Even as an experienced musician, I find this article confusing: we get several completely contradictory statements in the lead and no actual answer. The following text that addresses the issue of categorisation is no more helpful. I note the List of music genres redirects to List of music styles. I guess some gave up trying to figure it all out! -- Jubilee ♫ clipman 23:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC) PS, don't ask me: I haven't a clue!
There is nothing in this article referring to how some songs say, 'single' as the genre. OzzyOzrock ( talk) 07:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
That'll be because you downloaded your music from Limewire or something. 58.161.121.200 ( talk) 07:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I have added some means of categorization, i.e. 'time period' and 'sociological function', which I think should be included for the sake of completeness. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 09:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I like the header text from List of music styles; it states clearly the often arbitrary categorizations behind different genres. I have added it to the present article after some minor revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiPBia ( talk • contribs) 10:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I have moved the paragraph on fusion to a completely new section which I labelled 'The emerge of new genres' (maybe it should be just 'Emerge of new genres'!?), and indicated what I think need further expansion and explanation. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 11:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Would it be informative or trivial to give examples of genre categorizations, e.g. the genres from the billboard chart? We have the List of music genres but it is way to long to grasp. -- WikiPBia ( talk) 08:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I am proposing a split of this article, into Music genre (popular) and Music genre (classical). There are two definitions of genre in music that are significantly at odds with each other. In music scholarship, the term refers to a type of composition, whereas in popular usage it is more or less synonymous with "style" or "trend" (or often more exactly "major style group"). An article on the classical definition should be easy to do without conflict, if it is an independent article, as within academia this is not a controversial topic. The popular definition can be dealt with on another page, and concerned editors can work out there differences there. BassHistory ( talk) 07:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The main thing is that there needs to be a dedicated article on the "proper" definition. I guess "Genre in Western Classical Music" would be a good title, even though this method of classification isn't really limited to classical music. As for Wikipedia's current use of genre: couldn't all those lists simply be changed from "List of genres in music" to "List of styles of music," as this is what the lists actually are? I mean, if there was an article entitled " Nucular power," wouldn't we change it? BassHistory ( talk) 14:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Needs hell of a lot of work this article. Its two main sections are traditional and metal music? Needs to be written from the beggining. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartacus Marat ( talk • contribs) 21:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Emergence of new genres and subgenres"
So the hard work of removing superfluous information on this article is going back into reverse and we are going to have sections on individual genres. There are over a thousand genres that have articles on Wikipedia, if we globalise the article I guess there are still about a hundred that might be considered as significant as the ones listed here. Shall I add them or does someone else want to start? Just because it is sourced (and not very well sourced by the way) doesn't mean it has to be here. This [4] (reverted here [5]) seems clearly to be WP:undue to me, as we already have articles that list genres and subgenres, whereas this article should provide definitions and a guide to major scholarship on the topic. List of music genres already does the job of what has now been added to this article.-- SabreBD ( talk) 22:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Arkan (dance) was tagged with Template:music-genre-stub. I've removed the tag, since a folk dance or its music is no more a genre than a page is a book. -- Thnidu ( talk) 18:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Category:Musical subgenres by genre has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. CN1 ( talk) 13:25, 30 October 2015 (UTC)